Canada's Refugee System in Chaos

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

So long as credible media disputes the lurid half-truths and outright falsehoods of the media you favor, I will continue to disbelieve your narrative.

Credible media = the Guardian, which makes the Toronto Star look like an alt-right media outlet, and the Swedish government, which has been repeatedly accused of lying about and distorting the data?

The multiple official reports on grooming gangs have laid bare the depths of hypocrisy on the part of media outlets like the Guardian, and the police, social workers and local government which ignored the problem in favour of political correctness. Had you been there I have ZERO doubt you'd have been one of the ones deliberately ignoring and downplaying the problem and sneering at the mothers complaining for being 'bigots'.

Aside: Why do people with the lowest intelligence feel the need to use great big damn fonts?

Edited December 23, 2018 by Argus

[scribblet]

Exsctly.. the final Rotherham report was clear on the cover up and how pc contributed, all reported by bbc and the guardian. Since then Muslim rape gangs are proliferating in other countries andstill in uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

Large fonts have the opposite of the desired effect I ignore them

Edited December 24, 2018 by scribblet

[cannuck]

On 8/13/2018 at 6:12 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

Stories of Kamakazi pilots? I assure you they were quite real. Banzai Charges and Death Marches, as well. Japanese soldiers/sailors/pilots would not surrender. 

They were also some of the most barbaric conquerors in history.  One of my closest friends and business partners went through the Japanese occupation of China (he and his Mother could not emigrate due to the "Exclusion Act").  If you wanted to really understand the Japanese, you needed to know people who were captured, tortured, raped, murdered by the Japanese - mostly just because the could get away with it.  The only thing my friend's Mother hated more than the Japanese was the Chinese Communists (yeah, they survived THAT as well).

I will admit that both Japanese and Chinese immigrants from the immediate post war era SEEM to have been absorbed into the fabric of Canada, but IMHO the second generation is what we are observing.  Most first generation immigrants simply do NOT.  If we use Trudeau's poster boy for immigration and open borders, Omar Khadr and his sister are anything  BUT a second generation Muslims who have assimilated.

[cannuck]

10 hours ago, scribblet said:

Exsctly.. the final Rotherham report was clear on the cover up and how pc contributed, all reported by bbc and the guardian. Since then Muslim rape gangs are proliferating in other countries andstill in uk

I have many friends in Europe and what they tell me is radically different from what the looney left media reports.   Of course, we mirror the same lack of regard for truth and reason from the left end of our political spectrum, so we will suffer from importing and promoting the same kind of culture within the immigrant stream to Canada's open borders.

[scribblet]

This is true, I have a number of relatives and friends across the U.K. who tell me the same thing, the media is covering up much of what is happening.   One relative in London tells me she now has to travel much further to shop as the area she always shopped in is now large majority Muslim so there's little there of interest.  Plus it's dangerous for a woman to be out alone in any majority Muslim area.     

Meanwhile, a Judge decides against mandatory minimum for human trafficking sentence because why - it's cruel and inhuman punishment.   Seriously ....   

https://london.ctvnews.ca/judge-decides-against-mandatory-minimum-for-human-trafficking-sentence-1.4226750

Edited December 24, 2018 by scribblet

[Argus]

How much have our media covered the deaths of those two Scandinavian girls in Morocco? Almost everything I've seen and read glosses over the horror of what was done to them, and just says they were 'stabbed in the neck'. Little of the media talks about the vicious cruelty of sending pictures and videos of the killing to their parents.

[scribblet]

The fact that these two girls were naive enough to believe they could travel safely in that area is testament to the liberal fantasy world that tells them there is nothing to be afraid of from these people, that they won't hurt you, it's just a myth. 

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, scribblet said:

The fact that these two girls were naive enough to believe they could travel safely in that area is testament to the liberal fantasy world that tells them there is nothing to be afraid of from these people, that they won't hurt you, it's just a myth. 

So an attack on tourists in Morrocco discredits liberalism?  

Wow.  Your stretching discredits Gumby.

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, scribblet said:

The fact that these two girls were naive enough to believe they could travel safely in that area is testament to the liberal fantasy world that tells them there is nothing to be afraid of from these people, that they won't hurt you, it's just a myth. 

But they are not at fault for believing the fantasy when the media and government, not to mention their schools, tell them so constantly.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Argus

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So an attack on tourists in Morrocco discredits liberalism?  

Wow.  Your stretching discredits Gumby.

It seemed to me that he was talking about the left wing fantasy of how  people the world over are the same, and that if you treat them with respect they'll treat you with respect and you'll be perfectly safe. It's simply not true in a number of areas of the world, particularly the Muslim world, and most especially so for blonde girls.

Discrediting liberalism is something else again, depending on whether you're talking about L or l.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Argus said:

It seemed to me that he was talking about the liberal fantasy of how  people the world over are the same, and that if you treat them with respect they'll treat you with respect and you'll be perfectly safe. It's simply not true in a number of areas of the world, particularly the Muslim world, and most especially so for blonde girls.

It's off topic at the least.  I would love for these posters who post this type of mush left the forum.

They are what is really wrong with our nation.

We now have to address our policies, but ignoramuses are stopping us from having an intelligent discussion.

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's off topic at the least.  I would love for these posters who post this type of mush left the forum.

They are what is really wrong with our nation.

We now have to address our policies, but ignoramuses are stopping us from having an intelligent discussion.

Are you talking about Scribblet or me? Anyway, you already have a forum to discuss things "intelligently" which is largely free of conservative voices.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"type of mush"

"They are what is really wrong with our nation."

 

 

Mush is as mush does. 

Or something to that effect, anyway.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid thread derailment. 

[Dougie93]

Refugees overwhelming social services?   Its all debt financed, we don't even pay for it, so who cares? Throw another bond issuing on the pyre, problem solved. /shrugs

[Argus]

Internal documents that have come from the Immigration and Refugee Board have now shown that the amount of money the Trudeau Liberals have allotted to the IRB to clear up the backlog caused by Trudeau's infamous tweet isn't even half as much as the IRB estimated it needed to start clearing the backlog. That means that the backlog, which is so long now that alleged refugees get to stay here for 2 years before their first hearing - while we pay the tab - will continue or grow worse.

Documents obtained under access-to-information law show the Immigration and Refugee Board drafted costing estimates in November 2017 showing it would need $140 million annually plus an additional $40 million in one-time costs to finalize 36,000 extra refugee cases every year. That’s how many cases the board would need to complete to cut the backlog and also meet the current intake of new asylum claims. The government ultimately earmarked $74 million to the IRB over two years in last year’s federal budget to address Canada’s refugee backlog, which currently stands at over 64,000.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-federal-funding-earmarked-for-refugee-claims-not-enough-to-cut-backlog/

 

[Dougie93]

They're all going to move to Toronto and Montreal in the end anyways, so who cares?  Outside the major urban centers this country is as white as the driven snow.  

[Centerpiece]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Internal documents that have come from the Immigration and Refugee Board have now shown that the amount of money the Trudeau Liberals have allotted to the IRB to clear up the backlog caused by Trudeau's infamous tweet isn't even half as much as the IRB estimated it needed to start clearing the backlog. That means that the backlog, which is so long now that alleged refugees get to stay here for 2 years before their first hearing - while we pay the tab - will continue or grow worse.

 

Yes - the cost for this fiasco is incremental. If it takes two years to get a hearing, it would take at least three years to send most of them home - resulting in a three year incremental "rolling" cost - and that's a Conservative estimate (pardon the pun). It's on record that the cost was close to $400 million federally and $200 million each for Ontario and Quebec - and only for Year One....that's at least $800 million. If we continue to have open borders, we'll have a similar amount for new illegals in Year Two while still paying for illegals from Year One. Similarly, a new cost for illegals in Year Three while paying for Year Two and Year One. It's pretty easy to see that even if we can cycle these illegals through in three years - we'll have an increasing cost that will push two billion dollars annually. 

[Dougie93]

No Canadian government is going to close the border to refugees because they have a right to apply for asylum, and no Canadian Prime minister can break the law because the Prime Minister is not a Commander-in-Chief, he's just a civilian we hired to do an office job, so if any Prime Minister tried to close the border to asylum seekers, the judiciary would just overrule him, and there is no section 33 veto on that, because asylum is not a charter right it's an international law which Canada is signatory to.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

No Canadian government is going to close the border to refugees because they have a right to apply for asylum, and no Canadian Prime minister can break the law because the Prime Minister is not a Commander-in-Chief, he's just a civilian we hired to do an office job, so if any Prime Minister tried to close the border to asylum seekers, the judiciary would just overrule him, and there is no section 33 veto on that, because asylum is not a charter right it's an international law which Canada is signatory to.

But there's nothing that says we can't detain those asylum seekers at the border, and give them a quicky hearing, then a quicky deportation. Especially if we use the notwithstanding clause on the necessary legislation.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Argus

[Dougie93]

Well you can do whatever you want, for example Australia is signatory, but they aren't in North America, there are like a billion Asians coming at them, so they are the opposite of Canadians on immigration, Australia is running concentration camps off shore on tropical islands and diverting all their refugees there.

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Well you can do whatever you want, for example Australia is signatory, but they aren't in North America, there are like a billion Asians coming at them, so they are the opposite of Canadians on immigration, Australia is running concentration camps off shore on tropical islands and diverting all their refugees there.

They're detention camps. When they start gassing people you can call them concentration camps.

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

They're detention camps. When they start gassing people you can call them concentration camps.

Australia is awesome tho, they have the best pound for pound army in the world, Canada used to be the Punch of Weight Class Best Small Army in the World, but no more, Australia is the undisputed holder of that title naow.

[turningrite]

23 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Well you can do whatever you want, for example Australia is signatory, but they aren't in North America, there are like a billion Asians coming at them, so they are the opposite of Canadians on immigration, Australia is running concentration camps off shore on tropical islands and diverting all their refugees there.

Denmark is now planning to implement an approach similar to Australia's, as indicated in the news link below. The problem with promoting an airy-fairy and positive view of uncontrolled migration is that it encourages all kinds of negative things, including but not limited to promoting risky journeys to reach the West and expanding markets for human trafficking. A humane system would seek to assist refugees fleeing real conflict as close as possible to conflict zones so that they could return to their homes and lives quickly following the cessation of hostilities. And a productive system would not incentivize economic migrants to jump queues but instead would seek to channel migrants toward legal migration. There isn't much middle ground in any of this. Legal migration strategies should always be promoted by those who say they're interested in the welfare of migrants.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4728230/denmark-immigration-lindholm-island/

Edited January 11, 2019 by turningrite

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, turningrite said:

Denmark is now planning to implement an approach similar to Australia's, as indicated in the news link below. The problem with promoting an airy-fairy and positive view of uncontrolled migration is that it encourages all kinds of negative things, including but limited to promoting risky journeys to reach the West and expanding markets for human trafficking. A humane system would seek to assist refugees fleeing real conflict as close as possible to conflict zones so that they could return to their homes and lives quickly following the cessation of hostilities. And a productive system would not incentivize economic migrants to jump queues but instead would seek to channel migrants toward legal migration. There isn't much middle ground in any of this. Legal migration strategies should always be promoted by those who say they're interested in the welfare of migrants.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4728230/denmark-immigration-lindholm-island/

Refugees don't just emanate from conflict zones tho, they also emanate from despotic tyrannical governments, which, outside the protection of the Americans and their Empire of Liberty, are legion.