CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 The government poll shows half of Iranians are against compulsory hijab. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/middleeast/iran-hijab-law-report-intl/index.html A few cautions. 1 - This poll was conducted by the research arm of Islamic government's president not an independent poll. 2 - It was conducted 4 years ago but released now. Iran has been going through a social upheaval since 2010 due to many factors like internet, satellite TVs, social media and large number of universities opened since then with many millions of both gender (majority of university students being women). The actual statistics now and by an independent poll may be significantly higher. 1 Quote
kactus Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 Iran is a beautiful country with many potentials....Preferably mullah free....This was an ooportunity for Iran in 1953 by appointing Dr Mossadegh. But we all know where that ended up.... Ad the saying goes there are horses for courses. A mullah’s place is in the mosque not politics. Britain realised this by separating the church from politics or let’s say it reached a point that it became secular. The model worked well there. Not a perfect model for democracy but better than many countries in the world including the US. 1 Quote
kactus Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: The government poll shows half of Iranians are against compulsory hijab. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/middleeast/iran-hijab-law-report-intl/index.html A few cautions. 1 - This poll was conducted by the research arm of Islamic government's president not an independent poll. 2 - It was conducted 4 years ago but released now. Iran has been going through a social upheaval since 2010 due to many factors like internet, satellite TVs, social media and large number of universities opened since then with many millions of both gender (majority of university students being women). The actual statistics now and by an independent poll may be significantly higher. If there is one thing the islamic revolution in Iran wanted to achieve it was to promote islamic values throughout Iran and export to to other countries. But it achieved exactly the opposite results within Iran. People are fed up with Islam and the mullahs to the extent that ix unheard of.... Whereas in the rest of the arab world people are becoming radicalised to the wahabist version of Islam people in Iran are turning their back to this religion thanks to mullahs.... Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, kactus said: ..This was an ooportunity for Iran in 1953 by appointing Dr Mossadegh. But we all know where that ended up.... You are right and this is a back up article published today that the 1953 coup changed Iran from what would have been (Japan or South Korea) to what it is now (North Korea). Iran is also a very rich country having 1% of population but close to 10% of world's resources (oil, gas, mines) and a very rich human resources (highly educated and skillful) but the people living in poverty (except the thieves and liars and we know who they are). https://theintercept.com/2018/02/05/iran-cia-coup-mossadegh-ayatollah/ Down with USA and Death to Britain. The past bloodsuckers. And Death to Russia too, the past, present and likely future bloodsucker. Edited February 5, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Support the exceptional Bravery of Iranian Women and their 4-decade long Movements for Equality and Freedom: CNN)The bravery of the women recently protesting in Iran stiffened my resolve to participate in the 2018 Women's March in Los Angeles. As a decadelong advocate for women, I felt compelled to use my freedom of expression to demand theirs. Though I walked alongside people of diverse political persuasions, I felt empowered by a common purpose -- a world in which the rights of women and girls are protected and respected. While I was encouraged by the numerous signs supporting women, I was disheartened that in this time of female solidarity w 4 decade e were largely ignorant of our counterparts in Iran, who just weeks prior to our march had risked arrest or worse to take to the streets and demand their inalienable rights. On December 27, 2017, a brave Iranian woman named Vida Movahedi, a 31-year old mother, stood peacefully on a box in the middle of a busy Tehran sidewalk, and silently waved her government-mandated veil from the end of a stick. This basic freedom that women take for granted in nearly every country in the world -- to feel the wind on our bare heads -- is illegal in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Movahedi's defiant act came on the eve of national anti-government protests in Iran fueled by widespread economic, social and political discontent. She quickly disappeared after her images went public, and it was later reported she had been arrested. But Movahedi's act of bravery has inspired dozens of women throughout Iran -- old and young, veiled and unveiled -- to engage in the same act of civil disobedience, standing bareheaded in public as they silently wave their scarves from the ends of sticks. According to CNN, 29 people, mostly women, have been arrested. The courage of these women has been contagious, garnering additional momentum with the social media hashtag #GirlsofRevolutionStreet. To be clear, this Iranian movement did not happen overnight, and the plight of the Iranian woman runs far deeper than challenging compulsory clothing regulations. However, for many women in Iran, the hijab has become a constant reminder of their inequality and oppression in a social, political, legal and religious climate that favors men. At the inception of the Islamic Republic -- 39 years ago this month -- tens of thousands of Iranian women demonstrated in opposition to the new government's compulsory hijab ruling. Their cries were met with batons, lashes, acid thrown in their faces and imprisonment. Too few Iranian men showed solidarity. But this impulse for gender equality could never be suppressed and has only grown stronger with time. Women's rights activists like Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi, human rights activist Narges Mohammadi, and lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh helped pave the way for this watershed moment. In opposing Iran's patriarchal and discriminatory system -- in which married women are forbidden from getting a divorce or traveling abroad without their husbands' permission and females convicted of adultery have been subjected to unspeakable cruelty -- they and countless others have sacrificed their own freedom and security. Ebadi -- charged with "disturbing public opinion" -- was imprisoned, subjected to death threats and eventually exiled to London. Her sister was detained in an effort to silence her while she was abroad, and her husband was arrested, tortured and coerced into denouncing her on state TV. In 2016, Mohammadi was sentenced to 16 years' imprisonment on trumped-up national security charges, which she is currently serving. Sotoudeh has been in and out of jail over the last decade, separated from her husband and two children. While it is women's rights defenders inside Iran who are making the most arduous sacrifices to precipitate real change, those outside the country are also trying to do their part. Brooklyn-based journalist and activist Masih Alinejad -- who was also imprisoned and eventually exiled from Iran -- launched the popular online movement My Stealthy Freedom in 2014, calling on women in Iran to protest mandatory hijab by uploading photos of themselves without a headscarf. The campaign's Facebook page has since amassed more than 1 million followers. Alinejad's 2017 White Wednesdays initiative encouraged women in Iran to protest forced hijab by wearing white clothing and headscarves on Wednesdays. She recently joined the Women's March in New York, notably waving a white scarf on the end of a stick, just as Movahedi did. Indeed, there should be no room for polarization or partisan politics when it comes to human rights. We should open our eyes to the suffering of women and people beyond our borders and jurisdiction. We should be able to equally loudly and in one voice condemn both the Muslim-majority travel ban and forced Islamic dress codes. The freedom of religion does not give one carte blanche to take away other people's freedoms. The timing of the Women's Marches and the women protesting in Iran are not a coincidence, but a convergence. These episodes are part of a global awakening in women's rights, and these expressions of bravery and civil disobedience must not be viewed as isolated incidents -- even if they are not organized under one banner. It is incumbent upon us to acknowledge this moment as an inflection point to bring about real social and cultural change. Otherwise, we risk having our movement forgotten and our moment wasted. I marched in Los Angeles and joined in spirit and solidarity with women in cities across the world from Frankfurt to Osaka to Kampala and Buenos Aires -- but I also marched for the women in Iran, who are breaking their silence, and at far greater cost. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/06/opinions/iran-global-women-rights-opinion-boniadi/index.html Long live feminism and victory to feminist movements all over the world. Edited February 7, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
kactus Posted February 7, 2018 Report Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Support the exceptional Bravery of Iranian Women and their 4-decade long Movements for Equality and Freedom: CNN)The bravery of the women recently protesting in Iran stiffened my resolve to participate in the 2018 Women's March in Los Angeles. As a decadelong advocate for women, I felt compelled to use my freedom of expression to demand theirs. Though I walked alongside people of diverse political persuasions, I felt empowered by a common purpose -- a world in which the rights of women and girls are protected and respected. While I was encouraged by the numerous signs supporting women, I was disheartened that in this time of female solidarity w 4 decade e were largely ignorant of our counterparts in Iran, who just weeks prior to our march had risked arrest or worse to take to the streets and demand their inalienable rights. On December 27, 2017, a brave Iranian woman named Vida Movahedi, a 31-year old mother, stood peacefully on a box in the middle of a busy Tehran sidewalk, and silently waved her government-mandated veil from the end of a stick. This basic freedom that women take for granted in nearly every country in the world -- to feel the wind on our bare heads -- is illegal in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Movahedi's defiant act came on the eve of national anti-government protests in Iran fueled by widespread economic, social and political discontent. She quickly disappeared after her images went public, and it was later reported she had been arrested. But Movahedi's act of bravery has inspired dozens of women throughout Iran -- old and young, veiled and unveiled -- to engage in the same act of civil disobedience, standing bareheaded in public as they silently wave their scarves from the ends of sticks. According to CNN, 29 people, mostly women, have been arrested. The courage of these women has been contagious, garnering additional momentum with the social media hashtag #GirlsofRevolutionStreet. To be clear, this Iranian movement did not happen overnight, and the plight of the Iranian woman runs far deeper than challenging compulsory clothing regulations. However, for many women in Iran, the hijab has become a constant reminder of their inequality and oppression in a social, political, legal and religious climate that favors men. At the inception of the Islamic Republic -- 39 years ago this month -- tens of thousands of Iranian women demonstrated in opposition to the new government's compulsory hijab ruling. Their cries were met with batons, lashes, acid thrown in their faces and imprisonment. Too few Iranian men showed solidarity. But this impulse for gender equality could never be suppressed and has only grown stronger with time. Women's rights activists like Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi, human rights activist Narges Mohammadi, and lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh helped pave the way for this watershed moment. In opposing Iran's patriarchal and discriminatory system -- in which married women are forbidden from getting a divorce or traveling abroad without their husbands' permission and females convicted of adultery have been subjected to unspeakable cruelty -- they and countless others have sacrificed their own freedom and security. Ebadi -- charged with "disturbing public opinion" -- was imprisoned, subjected to death threats and eventually exiled to London. Her sister was detained in an effort to silence her while she was abroad, and her husband was arrested, tortured and coerced into denouncing her on state TV. In 2016, Mohammadi was sentenced to 16 years' imprisonment on trumped-up national security charges, which she is currently serving. Sotoudeh has been in and out of jail over the last decade, separated from her husband and two children. While it is women's rights defenders inside Iran who are making the most arduous sacrifices to precipitate real change, those outside the country are also trying to do their part. Brooklyn-based journalist and activist Masih Alinejad -- who was also imprisoned and eventually exiled from Iran -- launched the popular online movement My Stealthy Freedom in 2014, calling on women in Iran to protest mandatory hijab by uploading photos of themselves without a headscarf. The campaign's Facebook page has since amassed more than 1 million followers. Alinejad's 2017 White Wednesdays initiative encouraged women in Iran to protest forced hijab by wearing white clothing and headscarves on Wednesdays. She recently joined the Women's March in New York, notably waving a white scarf on the end of a stick, just as Movahedi did. Indeed, there should be no room for polarization or partisan politics when it comes to human rights. We should open our eyes to the suffering of women and people beyond our borders and jurisdiction. We should be able to equally loudly and in one voice condemn both the Muslim-majority travel ban and forced Islamic dress codes. The freedom of religion does not give one carte blanche to take away other people's freedoms. The timing of the Women's Marches and the women protesting in Iran are not a coincidence, but a convergence. These episodes are part of a global awakening in women's rights, and these expressions of bravery and civil disobedience must not be viewed as isolated incidents -- even if they are not organized under one banner. It is incumbent upon us to acknowledge this moment as an inflection point to bring about real social and cultural change. Otherwise, we risk having our movement forgotten and our moment wasted. I marched in Los Angeles and joined in spirit and solidarity with women in cities across the world from Frankfurt to Osaka to Kampala and Buenos Aires -- but I also marched for the women in Iran, who are breaking their silence, and at far greater cost. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/06/opinions/iran-global-women-rights-opinion-boniadi/index.html Long live feminism and victory to feminist movements all over the world. Very brave indeed and also add that this coincides with the centenary of suffragette movement.... There are essentially two political force that are challenging the conservative mullah establishment. Women and progressive intellectuals... Mullahs have long known about these forces which undermines their credibility. This is why even the more moderate parts of the establishment like the president Hassan Rouhani is atleast trying to show some empathy for these brave women by saying that their voice should be heard. However, in the grand scheme of things the power lies with Ali Khamenei the supreme leader. The issue is not about this piece of garment also called ‘manteau’ and ‘scarves’ inside Iran . The issue here underlies the dignity and the freedom of expression of these women which has been overlooked by the oppressive behaviour of the regime for the past four decades. Wearing the hijab has been one of the fundamental parts of the islamic rule since it came to power in Iran in 1978. It is very clear to me and anyone reading these articles that these women’s defiance of wearing this piece of garment may not be a direct challenge to the regime but preserving their feminism and women’s right. And there this underlies a bigger problem vis a vis the economy that are much harder to tackle. But for now freedom of expression and adhereing to democratic values are the order of the day.... 1 Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Well done to this irnian female skier for securing her place to Pyeonchang Olympics despite all the political adversities going on there right now.... https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/iran-female-skier-blazes-trail-pyeongchang-180208102412038.html Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Yet Another political prisoner died in prison this time an Iranian Canadian!!. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/iranian-canadian-professor-dead-in-iran-son-1.3798347 Edited February 11, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
cannuck Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 11:57 AM, Rue said: I will say this for a poster who has asked I speak out as well. I have close friends who left Iran for Israel and Canada-some Jews, some Bahaiis, some Muslims. I also know gays, Zoroastreans who had to leave Iran. I don't claim to speak for Iranians. I do listen to many that came here to get away from the extremist fundamentalist theocracy. Iran had its issues with its Shah yes but it was a modern nation. Persians as I call Iranians because they are Persian, were not enemies of Israel or the West or anyone. Since the theocracy took over people have been living under tyranny. Brave Iranians-Persians have died, been tortured, trying to change the government. Students can and do die and get tortured as do journalists, etc. Ironically we have trendy leftists in this country who speak out saying the Hijab is something we should be tolerant of and yet in Iran it can be seen as a symbol of repression against women. We don't get what it means in Iran. We don't get what Iranians live with. We have idiots like the brother of Justin Trudeau who made a bull crap documentary extolling the virtues of the theocracy in Iran. I can only pray the people of Iran find their way out of their current situation and I think we should support the students, the people morally try break free. Its a struggle no different then people breaking free from the Communist regimes in the East of Europe at one point. Our Prime Minister should speak up a bit more. I know Iranians in Canada fear if they say anything their families back home might get it. I get that. So I just say to them, I think many of us hope your people win their battle for freedom. Will quote your complete post, as I feel it is very much on target. IMHO: the big problem is that in the theorcracy, pretty much ALL of the moderates who could mount a credible opposition are no longer in the country. That seems to include much of the business and academic component as well as the political faction. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, cannuck said: the big problem is that in the theorcracy, pretty much ALL of the moderates who could mount a credible opposition are no longer in the country. That seems to include much of the business and academic component as well as the political faction. I am not sure this is true. The most credible opposition is the people of Iran and some 90% of Iranians live in Iran and some 90% are what you called moderates (or against the status quo and non-religious). The recent uprising calling for removal of the regime came from the poor mainly from small towns and religious cities who are now highly educated not from middle class or large cties or the Capital. Today in Iran with over 99% literacy rate where over 15 million have college/University degrees and over 40 million (over half the population) connected to the world via internet and satelite TVs not same as before ever. And every day the numbers changing and not in favor of the regime. Edited February 11, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
cannuck Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I am not sure this is true. The most credible opposition is the people of Iran and some 90% of Iranians live in Iran and some 90% are what you called moderates (or against the status quo and non-religious). The recent uprising calling for removal of the regime came from the poor mainly from small towns and religious cities who are now highly educated not from middle class or large cties or the Capital. Today in Iran with over 99% literacy rate where over 15 million have college/University degrees and over 40 million (over half the population) connected to the world via internet and satelite TVs not same as before ever. And every day the numbers changing and not in favor of the regime. My bad - posting in the middle of tax time, not getting all thought down on keyboard. I meant those who would provide leadership since they were already seen as well established figures. I have met several of those people, and they usually have the means to simply walk away and earn a living or run their business from outside, but ALWAYS with the fear for their families and associates who remain. I see the domestic opposition mounting, and I just hope it is as you indicate about to reach critical levels required to overthrow the theocratic regime. Problem is: I have been in Islamic states just long enough to be doubtful if it can ever be shut down (i.e. the/a theocracy). Edited February 11, 2018 by cannuck Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, cannuck said: My bad - posting in the middle of tax time, not getting all thought down on keyboard. I meant those who would provide leadership since they were already seen as well established figures. I have met several of those people, and they usually have the means to simply walk away and earn a living or run their business from outside, but ALWAYS with the fear for their families and associates who remain. I see the domestic opposition mounting, and I just hope it is as you indicate about to reach critical levels required to overthrow the theocratic regime. Problem is: I have been in Islamic states just long enough to be doubtful if it can ever be shut down (i.e. the/a theocracy). Most of those who took over in 1979 were living abroad. When the population inside rose up then they board the plane, landed and took over. I am not sure Iran is an Islamic state. Not any more. Yes the government claims it is but not sure about the people if they follow. Edited February 11, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
kactus Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, cannuck said: My bad - posting in the middle of tax time, not getting all thought down on keyboard. I meant those who would provide leadership since they were already seen as well established figures. I have met several of those people, and they usually have the means to simply walk away and earn a living or run their business from outside, but ALWAYS with the fear for their families and associates who remain. I see the domestic opposition mounting, and I just hope it is as you indicate about to reach critical levels required to overthrow the theocratic regime. Problem is: I have been in Islamic states just long enough to be doubtful if it can ever be shut down (i.e. the/a theocracy). Those who could potentially offer a potential leadership to the clergy are operating from outside the country (mainly US based) There is a well established figurehead but with little authority to challenge the theocratic establishment in Iran. The apparatus of regime in Iran is well aware of the presence of this opposition outside and try their best to nullify them. The islamic draconian measures is to create an atmosphere of fear to silence any opposition. We saw that in 2009 election with the green movement. The uprising of the protesters and tgeir ringleaders was met with government forces. They were arrested, beaten and tortured.... Iran does have a unique situation as the majority of the population is young, pro western and anti-current regime. I believe this chane must come from within and it will be gradual through people’s will and determination for change. Edited February 12, 2018 by kactus Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) The so called opposition leader of MEK say that: Women played a key role in recent protests in Iran, taking to the streets to eliminate the clerical regime and to liberate the entire nation. I agree with the statement but what she is not saying is that the same women who played a key role in recent protests were actually calling for the return of exile King, Reza Pahlavi and not one slogan in her support among all those tens of thousands of demonstrators in 142 Iranian towns and cities!!!!. The same king that she refuses to recognize as the next leader of Iran. MEK almost as bad as the traitor Tudeh party always worked with Iran's enemy to steal power. In 1979 they helped the Ayatollahs to gain power and we now see the consequences and the heavy price the Iranian people are still paying 4 decades later and when iraqi Saddam invaded Iran bombing civilians they join Saddam to fight against Iran. As why they are hated by the people of Iran. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2018/02/18/Opposition-leader-Women-should-assume-role-of-furthering-Iran-uprising.html Edited February 17, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Another brave female anti-hijab protester has been arrested in Iran after waving her headscarf from a stick. Footage shows Shaparak Shajarizadeh standing on a traffic island in the Iranian capital Tehran and waving her headscarf around on the end of a stick. But she then became the latest activist to be arrested as the regime continues to crack down on defiant women who pose with their heads uncovered. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5422833/ANOTHER-brave-female-anti-hijab-protester-arrested-Iran.html Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) Iran security forces beating up peacefully protesting women before and after arrests. https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-hijab-protests-two-more-women-arrested/29059147.html Iranian security officers have arrested two women who protested against the compulsory hijab in Tehran by removing their head scarves in public and waving them while standing on utility boxes. Shaparak Shadizadeh, one of the two women arrested, was taken into custody on February 21. Her family said she was beaten up during the arrest. Another woman was reportedly arrested on February 22. A video shows a police officer kicking her down from a utility box where she had staged her peaceful protest. Edited February 24, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) Video posted on Telegram appeared to show a policeman pushing a woman off a utility platform where she had been peacefully protesting. People in the crowd shouted words of encouragement for the woman, to which a policeman challenged, “Step forward if you’ve got balls.” A police man proudly pushes down a woman peacefully protesting against the compulsory hijab A bystander told CHRI that the woman struggled to get up from the ground and was limping. “The crowd quickly surrounded her and didn’t let the police come close,” the witness told the rights group anonymously. The crowd helped the woman into a taxi, but the police followed her. “I heard the taxi was stopped at the next crossing and they arrested her,” the witness said. An activist group, My Stealthy Freedom, has identified her as Maryam Shariatmadari, though this is not confirmed. The group said that she was beaten at a detention centre and denied medical treatment. ast director at Human Rights Watch. http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/24022018 Edited February 25, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 2 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) Bravery of lion-hearted Iranian women continues and is evident everywhere. On streets, in Stadiums, everywhere struggling for freedom and equality. Latest, 35 women who entered a stadium to match a soccer match were arrested!!!!!. Ironically the stadium is called Freedom and these women were exactly asking for that. "Freedom" to attend a match. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43243414 Edited March 1, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 It’s a slow process and we should be careful not to interfere too much a la Russia in the recent US elections. If the reformers are seen as puppets of US interests they will fail. Quote
eyeball Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It’s a slow process and we should be careful not to interfere too much a la Russia in the recent US elections. If the reformers are seen as puppets of US interests they will fail. Too bad you weren't in charge of America's foreign policy in Iran in 1953. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Too bad you weren't in charge of America's foreign policy in Iran in 1953. Wouldn't have mattered one bit...U.S. and U.K. interests were all about oil, not about "being careful". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Wouldn't have mattered one bit...U.S. and U.K. interests were all about oil, not about "being careful". Or being virtuous - as I said trumping virtue doesn't just happen on it's own, people or interests as you put it, make a wilful decision to do it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Watch this moving animation video. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/middleeast/iran-women-protest-hijab-online-asequals-intl/index.html 15 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It’s a slow process and we should be careful not to interfere too much a la Russia in the recent US elections. If the reformers are seen as puppets of US interests they will fail. The slogans by Iranians in recent uprising were against so called reformers and others as well as they are thought of being no different. They have realized it is a political game by the regime.They were demanding real fundamental change. Nobody is suggesting interference like the one in 1953 but this defenseless nation needs our support in terms of political and economic pressure otherwise this crying out nation will have no one and they do what they want to them if nobody hears them. Unlike French government (and to lesser extend EU) who acts like prostitute who opens her legs to whoever pays for business regardless of their records on human rights, the civilized world which clearly excludes Russia should act differently and stand for women's rights and human rights. The French also sell massive weaponary to Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates which are used in Yemen. Damn French open their legs for anyone with money regardless. Edited March 6, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
kactus Posted March 6, 2018 Report Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Wouldn't have mattered one bit...U.S. and U.K. interests were all about oil, not about "being careful". Atleast you are honest enough to admit that it was because of nationalisation of oil instead of try to ‘sugar coat’ the coup with commies... Edited March 6, 2018 by kactus Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 7 hours ago, kactus said: Atleast you are honest enough to admit that it was because of nationalisation of oil instead of try to ‘sugar coat’ the coup with commies... Has nothing to do with being "honest".....reality doesn't care about such superficial arguments. Why do you think China is in Iran today, or why Canadian oil services contractors were were in Iraq and Libya ? Because oil matters...BIG TIME. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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