August1991 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) While his father had clear ideas, the son - like his mother - is all over the map. Justin, as a libertarian, wants to let us smoke weed, or let anyone in - no borders. But... But as a Statist, Justin wants to direct us to have good thoughts: indigenous people, for example. He wants us all to learn from our past mistakes. But to my ear, Justin is just too anglo. His dad spoke far better French. ===== At present, I would predict about 70 federal Liberal seats in Quebec in 2019. (The federal NDP will have no seats at all - Vegas will lose hers.) But watch the CAQ numbers in the upcoming Quebec election. Edited December 30, 2017 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, August1991 said: 1. While his father had clear ideas, the son - like his mother - is all over the map. 2. Justin, as a libertarian, wants to let us smoke weed, or let anyone in - no borders. But... But as a Statist, Justin wants to direct us to have good thoughts: indigenous people, for example. He wants us all to learn from our past mistakes. 3. At present, I would predict about 70 federal Liberal seats in Quebec in 2019. (The federal NDP will have no seats at all - Vegas will lose hers.) 1. Agree. He was presented as a fresh face, a new direction and has presented nothing solid for today's challenges. There is no braintrust either. 2. With either of those ideas, we could get behind them if there was care and thoughtful design into their implementation. For example, how to assuage the fears of Canadians who are concerned about immigration, how to implement legal marijuana in a reasonable timeline, how to communicate these things to unify and make people understand how it will work - these things aren't happening. I agree with his morality in general, but it's not enough to simply tell Canadians that it's the right way and expect them to listen. It's divisive and condescending actually. It's not politics. 3. I agree, although I don't see any great ideas from the other leaders. There are great opportunities to foment unity, economic growth and efficiency with our new digital communication environment. A young dummy with a bunch of old lawyers behind him doesn't have the goods. I was hopeful for JT but I will look at Sheer, Singh and May for my next vote. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
AngusThermopyle Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 So far I've been impressed with what I've seen of Scheer during question period. Trudeau is constantly outclassed by Scheer, to the point where he has that deer in the headlights look about him every time Scheer questions him. Singh doesn't impress me, especially since his bizarre rant about having better hair than Trudeau. That one did it for me, he should never have stooped to such vane childishness. He basically placed himself on the same stupid and shallow level as that currently occupied by Trudeau. As for May, well there's nothing I've seen so far from her that gives me any reason to consider her at all. That's not even counting her demented Khadr outburst. 1 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Michael Hardner Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, AngusThermopyle said: As for May, well there's nothing I've seen so far from her that gives me any reason to consider her at all. During the last debate, I remember somebody suggesting an economic trickle-down policy and she brought up the billions of $ that go offshore today, all from profits. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 9 hours ago, August1991 said: While his father had clear ideas, the son - like his mother - is all over the map. His father's principle political idea was to offer people a lot of stuff but not make them pay for it. It seems to me Justin has learned that policy very, very well indeed. 9 hours ago, August1991 said: Justin, as a libertarian, wants to let us smoke weed, or let anyone in - no borders. Justin is not remotely similar to a libertarian on any issue. He wants people to be able to smoke weed because all the progressives want people to be able to smoke weed because most of the progressives think smoking weed is cool and gives the finger to traditionalists. 9 hours ago, August1991 said: But... But as a Statist, Justin wants to direct us to have good thoughts: indigenous people, for example. He wants us all to learn from our past mistakes. But to my ear, Justin is just too anglo. His dad spoke far better French. It always comes down to language with you. I think given the choice between someone identical to Joseph Stalin who spoke beautiful French, and someone similar to Jesus who spoke fractured French you'd go for the Stalin guy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 31, 2017 Report Posted December 31, 2017 On 12/29/2017 at 10:12 PM, August1991 said: While his father had clear ideas, the son - like his mother - is all over the map. Justin, as a libertarian, wants to let us smoke weed.... Justin also keeps prosecuting people for weed while telling us about enjoying an after dinner joint with friends how his dad used his connections to get prosecutors of his brothers back for possession. Justin also likes to talk about making the world a safer while selling weapons to dictators. Anyone can be a statist but it takes a real asshole to be an asshole. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
August1991 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) On 12/30/2017 at 11:07 AM, Argus said: .. It always comes down to language with you. ... Argus, yes. Language - words matter. That is why I always listened to Lévesque and Trudeau (father), in whichever language. Just like Americans today read the words of Trump. ==== Next Federal Election 2019 in Quebec: Singh, Scheer, Trudeau. Fergawdsakes, at least Mulroney had an Irish Catholic name. Maybe Scheer will be another Diefenbaker in 1957. Uh, not. Edited December 31, 2017 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted January 3, 2018 Author Report Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) To win a majority in the next federal election, the federal Liberals under Justin Trudeau need about 170 seats. Trudeau? He will win about 25/30 seats in the Maritimes/Nfld and about 65 seats in Quebec. He needs another 80 seats in Ontario (of 121). With Trudeau, the federal Liberals will win them. Singh will get almost no seats in the Maritimes/Quebec. Manitoba and west? For Trudeau - irrelevant, gravy. ==== By choosing Singh (and make no mistake, he won the NDP leadership because of an ethnic/Sikh vote), IMHO, the federal NDP has destroyed itself and in effect it has likely made Trudeau Jnr, a federal Liberal, our next PM. ================ In Canada, in general, unlike Indians (indigenous/Asian), Irish, Europeans and Americans, we Canadians don't vote according to sectarian lines. Ontario's first premier, elected in 1867, was a Roman Catholic. John Thompson, a Conservative, was our first federal PM Roman Catholic; Wilfrid Laurier was not our first federal PM from Quebec. (John Abbot was.) While most Canadians are protestant, we have no problem voting for a Catholic politician: Clark, Turner, Mulroney. === Singh, with his headress, is not Canadian. He will get few votes (at best about 15%), standard/historic federal NDP stat, among ordinary Canadians. Note: The federal NDP fell to about 9% in 2000, 13 seats. In 2019, it could happen. Watch the poll numbers for the CAQ. Edited January 3, 2018 by August1991 Quote
?Impact Posted January 3, 2018 Report Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) On 12/30/2017 at 1:12 AM, August1991 said: Justin, as a libertarian, wants to let us smoke weed, Trudeau doesn't think kids should be put in jail with hardened criminals because they took a puff from a joint, that doesn't mean he wants them to smoke weed. Edited January 3, 2018 by ?Impact Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2018 Report Posted January 4, 2018 8 hours ago, ?Impact said: Trudeau doesn't think kids should be put in jail with hardened criminals because they took a puff from a joint, that doesn't mean he wants them to smoke weed. And yet he still wants the law enforced. Beyond simple obedience until or unless he deigns otherwise, its difficult to tell just what if anything he means at all. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
?Impact Posted January 4, 2018 Report Posted January 4, 2018 11 hours ago, eyeball said: And yet he still wants the law enforced. Beyond simple obedience until or unless he deigns otherwise, its difficult to tell just what if anything he means at all. Yes, even bad laws need to be obeyed or else we will have anarchy. The solution is to fix the laws, not break them. Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2018 Report Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Yes, even bad laws need to be obeyed or else we will have anarchy. The solution is to fix the laws, not break them. I agree up to a point but that point was passed long long ago on this particular file, especially in light of Trudeau's use of pot, his description of how his dad used his connections to get his brother's possession charges dropped and his declaration that pot laws should be enforced until he says otherwise. Bad leaders need to be obeyed? Screw that. IMO anarchy is an entirely appropriate response. Edited January 4, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
?Impact Posted January 4, 2018 Report Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I agree up to a point but that point was passed long long ago on this particular file, especially in light of Trudeau's use of pot, his description of how his dad used his connections to get his brother's possession charges dropped and his declaration that pot laws should be enforced until he says otherwise. Bad leaders need to be obeyed? Screw that. IMO anarchy is an entirely appropriate response. I don't see him advocating the enforcement of possession laws. The issue is we need to have in place the proper method for distribution and sale of pot, and Emery was caught drug trafficking. Quote
eyeball Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, ?Impact said: I don't see him advocating the enforcement of possession laws. The issue is we need to have in place the proper method for distribution and sale of pot, and Emery was caught drug trafficking. And yet... Quote Trudeau Has Overseen Over 56,000 Pot Possession Arrests the majority of cases, these possession arrests do not lead to charges. However, being arrested results in a police record, is humiliating for the person being arrested, wastes police resources, and reduces public respect for police. Story Trudeau should have decriminalized pot the day after he was elected, instead he elected to be an all too typical statist politician. Really piss poor performance for the son of a PM who famously said "just watch me". Talk about reducing respect. I have to say the complete pass you've given Trudeau on his hypocrisy surrounding his father's abuse of power to spare his brother a police record really stands out. Edited January 5, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
?Impact Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Trudeau should have decriminalized pot the day after he was elected That is an extremely naive statement. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: That is an extremely naive statement. Alas, Trudeau lied to all the illegal cannabis consumers...they really wanted to believe him. Edited January 5, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 1 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Alas, Trudeau lied to all the illegal cannabis consumers...they really wanted to believe him. The mobsters prefers it to be illegal, anyways. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 11 hours ago, ?Impact said: That is an extremely naive statement. That's an empty response, still devoid of any mention about his father's abuse of power, the hypocrisy of that in the face of 56000 other hapless Canadians with no one to influence the law on their behalf, and the never-ending growing contempt for government...I guess what's really naive is believing Trudeau was going to be different - and all we would have had to do is just watch. You still can't see it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The mobsters prefers it to be illegal, anyways. So do consumers apparently, better price, good quality and without all the moral panic. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
?Impact Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, eyeball said: You still can't see it? Since I addressed facts, what is your problem with those I addressed? Magically thinking that major legislation could be changed in a day is extremely naive. Quote
eyeball Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Since I addressed facts, what is your problem with those I addressed? Its the ones you haven't addressed that I have the problem with. Quote Magically thinking that major legislation could be changed in a day is extremely naive. That's another empty reply that naively implies that a PM doesn't have the authority to stop an egregious law from being enforced. I suppose Trudeau could still pull an ethical rabbit out of the hat and announce his intention to grant a blanket amnesty to anyone with a pot related police or criminal record but I'm probably being naive imagining Trudeau has the moral background that such a major departure from being a statist would require. Edited January 5, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
?Impact Posted January 5, 2018 Report Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I suppose Trudeau could still pull an ethical rabbit out of the hat and announce his intention to grant a blanket amnesty to anyone with a pot related police or criminal record Why should he do that, especially for drug trafficking? Emery can rot in jail for all I care, he is not some kid smoking a joint, he is a drug pusher. We have had years of Harper doing nothing, and now when progress is being made you cry? Quote
eyeball Posted January 6, 2018 Report Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: Why should he do that, especially for drug trafficking? What drug traffickers? The vast majority of 56000 I mentioned are users you are happily consigning to a fate he was thankful his father saved his brother from, by pulling strings he had no right to pull. Quote Emery can rot in jail for all I care, he is not some kid smoking a joint, he is a drug pusher. I think get it now. We're all supposed to kiss Trudeau's ass and be thankful they don't arrest us for dissing them. Quote We have had years of Harper doing nothing, and now when progress is being made you cry? You probably cheered when Trudeau Sr ignored his own commissions recommendations around pot 45 years ago. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nefarious Banana Posted January 13, 2018 Report Posted January 13, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 11:52 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Alas, Trudeau lied to all the illegal cannabis consumers...they really wanted to believe him. "He's just not ready ........ " We laugh at Trump here in Canada ....... and look the other way when 'Our Fool' repeatedly steps in the doo doo. Quote
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