GostHacked Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Charles Anthony said: Folks, Please avoid personal banter. None of you are the topic of this thread. I am trying to get it back on topic, but man o man am I facing some challenges here!
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Rue said: Bull shit. Long before you came on the board to respond to me directly I presented my position. Now that is a more correct statement. However I've been on this board a year longer than you. Quote Now you try engage me in semantics. I posted my position long before you ever came on this board to respond to me. Yah you didn't know. Ditch the vasoline The bolded statement is incorrect since I joined a year before you did. Now you may have posted your position here, but was that under another name perhaps? Or was it you posted it on an other site before I joined MLW? But let's get back to it, or Charles is gonna give me some shit again.
DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 21 hours ago, GostHacked said: Don't let Doggy know! I mean he trots that out alot, he should get over it I guess. Fact remains, the Palestinian Cause was started by a Nazi. A real one. One that was knee deep in the Holocaust. You know...the reason there's an Israel to begin with. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Fact remains, the Palestinian Cause was started by a Nazi. A real one. One that was knee deep in the Holocaust. You know...the reason there's an Israel to begin with. The holocaust was the reason to create Israel??
DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: The holocaust was the reason to create Israel?? The ultimate reason. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The ultimate reason. Actually the holocaust has no bearing on the creation of the modern Israel which was being talked about since the late 1800s in the UK. Hence that Balfour Declaration certain people like to talk about here. The notion of creation was there 2-3 decades before that holocaust took place.
DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Actually the holocaust has no bearing on the creation of the modern Israel which was being talked about since the late 1800s in the UK. Hence that Balfour Declaration certain people like to talk about here. The notion of creation was there 2-3 decades before that holocaust took place. Zionism is older than two-three decades, history expert. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Actually the holocaust has no bearing on the creation of the modern Israel You as usual show your arrogance with sweeping pronouncement and zero evidence to base your comment. Of course the holocaust had a bearing on the creation of modern Israel. The bottom line is numerous historians both Jewish and Gentile have discussed and taken a great detail of time to explain the connection between the holocaust and creation of Israel. The bottom line-you know nothing about this topic and again show an obsessive need to respond to put we Jews in our place. Your need to lecture we Jews as to our history and what we do and did and where we should live continues. https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9807/aronson.html http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/Proseminar/tomerkleinman.htm http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 3575.pdf http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-studies-an-anthology-the-holocaust-and-israel http://www.jewish-guide.pl/Tomasz Cebulski-Memory of the Holocaust in Israel.pdf https://www.umass.edu/events/lecture-zionism-holocaust 1
Rue Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Zionism is older than two-three decades, history expert. It is amazing he would have the nerve to come on this forum at this point with not an ounce of evidence to back up his interpretations of history let alone making a sweeping attempt to deny any connection between the creation of Israel and the holocaust. Then again as you are well aware there continue to be those who deny the holocaust or why Israel was created and pretend it was a European phenomena or that Jews who left Europe for Palestine did not flee colonialism but were colonialist. Its par for the course-to revise history and dependent on the ignorance of the continuing generations further removed from the holocaust to misunderstand its impact on not just the collective psyche of Jews but Muslims and Christians.
DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rue said: It is amazing he would have the nerve to come on this forum at this point with not an ounce of evidence to back up his interpretations of history let alone making a sweeping attempt to deny any connection between the creation of Israel and the holocaust. Then again as you are well aware there continue to be those who deny the holocaust or why Israel was created and pretend it was a European phenomena or that Jews who left Europe for Palestine did not flee colonialism but were colonialist. Its par for the course-to revise history and dependent on the ignorance of the continuing generations further removed from the holocaust to misunderstand its impact on not just the collective psyche of Jews but Muslims and Christians. Most folks here have zero clue about the Holocaust. They're the sort that would call Dachau a 'death camp'. Edited February 5, 2018 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Fact remains, the Palestinian Cause was started by a Nazi. A real one. One that was knee deep in the Holocaust. You know...the reason there's an Israel to begin with. The only reason there's an Israel is because countries like Canada were such assholes towards Jews - to the extent we actually sent them back to the Nazis. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Zionism is older than two-three decades, history expert. No shit. Because the Zionists started the notion of a new Israel in the late 1800s perhaps earlier. The holocaust was a catalyst for the final set up, but the notion to create modern Israel was at least 3 decades before the holocaust took place. Even you agree with that because you have mentioned the Balfour Declaration many many times.
DogOnPorch Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: No shit. Because the Zionists started the notion of a new Israel in the late 1800s perhaps earlier. The holocaust was a catalyst for the final set up, but the notion to create modern Israel was at least 3 decades before the holocaust took place. Even you agree with that because you have mentioned the Balfour Declaration many many times. I'm glad you agree with me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl (father of Zionism) But, Jews have maintained their connection to the Levant since Roman times...archaeology backs-up their presence, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora (Rome kicks Jews out of Judea) Of course it was the Holocaust that sent things past the tipping-point. The flood of Jewish refugees from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine attests to that. It had been a trickle before then. Of course the Jews weren't going back to the countries that had betrayed them during Nazi occupation...as some on this board suggested they do. Now if you could only see the folly of even entertaining the creation of a Juden-free terror state as the Palestinian Cause's leader's want. Especially one based on the desires of one of the Jew's VERY tormentors, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I'm glad you agree with me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl (father of Zionism) But, Jews have maintained their connection to the Levant since Roman times...archaeology backs-up their presence, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora (Rome kicks Jews out of Judea) Of course it was the Holocaust that sent things past the tipping-point. The flood of Jewish refugees from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine attests to that. It had been a trickle before then. Of course the Jews weren't going back to the countries that had betrayed them during Nazi occupation...as some on this board suggested they do. Now if you could only see the folly of even entertaining the creation of a Juden-free terror state as the Palestinian Cause's leader's want. Especially one based on the desires of one of the Jew's VERY tormentors, Haj Amin al-Husseini. The holocaust is not the MAIN or ONLY reason why Israel exists. But people like you love to think it is. I know you like history Dog. And you agree with me too. Fancy that. Progress.
eyeball Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Of course it was the Holocaust that sent things past the tipping-point. The flood of Jewish refugees from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine attests to that. It had been a trickle before then. Of course the Jews weren't going back to the countries that had betrayed them during Nazi occupation...as some on this board suggested they do. Actually what was suggested was that European Jews should've had a country of their own in Europe - I would have made it out of a nice big chunk of Germany myself. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Actually what was suggested was that European Jews should've had a country of their own in Europe - I would have made it out of a nice big chunk of Germany myself. I would have expected that too, but we know the Jews wanted to take Israel back way before the holocaust and regardless of any other offer.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: The holocaust is not the MAIN or ONLY reason why Israel exists. But people like you love to think it is. I know you like history Dog. And you agree with me too. Fancy that. Progress. The War is the main reason Israel happened. Wanting a Jewish homeland and making it a reality are two different things. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 9 hours ago, eyeball said: Actually what was suggested was that European Jews should've had a country of their own in Europe - I would have made it out of a nice big chunk of Germany myself. Poland got the 'chunks of Germany'. Germany had started the war and lost. Just like the Arabs with Israel. It only seemed fair to give Poland East Prussia and Pomerania. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Poland got the 'chunks of Germany'. Germany had started the war and lost. Just like the Arabs with Israel. It only seemed fair to give Poland East Prussia and Pomerania. Germany DID lose, so why not carve out a chunk for the Jews? NO makes sense to go to the Middle East because of the holocaust. That's some strange logic. Kind of like, 9/11 was committed buy Saudi's in Afghanistan, but yet Iraq was invaded.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Germany DID lose, so why not carve out a chunk for the Jews? NO makes sense to go to the Middle East because of the holocaust. That's some strange logic. Kind of like, 9/11 was committed buy Saudi's in Afghanistan, but yet Iraq was invaded. You'd make a woman marry her rapist, too? Jews victimized by the Holocaust had no interest in returning to Treblinka to build dream-homes...go figure. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You'd make a woman marry her rapist, too? Jews victimized by the Holocaust had no interest in returning to Treblinka to build dream-homes...go figure. Well now the Jews are in the middle of many rapists.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Well now the Jews are in the middle of many rapists. Yes...the irony isn't lost. Luckily, Arab soldiers are incompetent vs the IDF. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Well now the Jews are in the middle of many rapists. And Germany seems keen on importing the same rapists...to add. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 18 hours ago, eyeball said: The only reason there's an Israel is because countries like Canada were such assholes towards Jews - There's the kind of brilliant historic analysis I have come to expect on this forum from one of the experts on Jewish history. 1
Rue Posted February 6, 2018 Report Posted February 6, 2018 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: Germany DID lose, so why not carve out a chunk for the Jews? More brilliant commentary from the other Jewish expert. Of course it wouldn't dawn on him that the majority of those killed were not German Jews not to mention as Porch suggested the notion of having people live where they were exterminated. Makes perfect sense. I get raped, tortured, have my family massacred I want to live where it happened. Makes perfect sense. I mean without these brilliant experts on Jews and where they should live what would I do. Again the obsession with the need to tell Jews where they should live is past absurd-its pathological. Its a pathological obsession with needing to put Jews in their place. Plus reading back this individual's further comments, he can't fathom that Jews in the holocaust were raped and murdered. The word rapist and rape confuses him. I mean the Germans rape Jews spiritually, physically, literally during the holocaust? No can't be. Porch was being hyperbolic. 1
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