EVIL DEM

[Hal 9000]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Seems to me I have read a lot about Chicago, but it's a slow constant stream of violence there as opposed to a single shocking event.

But that's all it is - perspective!  60 people are murdered in Chicago each and every month and it doesn't raise an eyebrow.  

[Omni]

35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Sure, because Obama managed to reach out across the political spectrum. He managed to garner more support from those regions of the EC than Hillary. Why this is can b another topic for discussion.

The EC worked out fine for Obama, and this even despite him being a "black" man. Some of the more extreme types on the right were utterly horrified, I'm sure. But since he won it twice it proves that they are in fact in the minority. Right wingers voted for Obama. But that election was far more dignified, on both sides.

The campaign was certainly more dignified. I cringe at the images of Trump leering at Hillary and roaming around behind her while she was speaking.  

[Hal 9000]

14 hours ago, dialamah said:

Are you trying to claim you are concerned about gun violence in Chicago?    Are you concerned about the rest of the country, where more than 11,000 people have already died this year in gun-related deaths?   Or what about the 22,000 suicides, at least some of whom might still be alive if they didn't have instant access to a gun and had to rely on something a little less lethal - any concern about them?   Maybe the 550 kids, or the 1500+ teens who've died this year?   Were you even aware of these numbers?   

 

 

 

Well, I'm glad you're giving me the chance to clear this up because...NO, not particularly!  Sure, I'd rather they didn't do it, but I have a hard time feeling for gangstas who are shooting each in the streets.  Just so, I'm fair, I have little sympathy for the drug dealers in Vancouver shooting each other up.

Take that 11,000 gun deaths and subtract the gang related murders and what do you get?  3- 4,000 maybe.  In a country of 235,000,000+, that's actually not that high.  Drunk drivers kill that many over a couple summer weekends, and check out murders by knife.  Unlike some of you, I'll refrain from bathtub and lightning deaths, but the odds of an everyday person being involved in a shooting in the US is lower than you'd think.

I don't think you're actually aware of the numbers 

[Hal 9000]

8 hours ago, Omni said:

I see now that the GOP is trying to do a little dance to try and look like they have concerns over events like Vegas by putting forth a bill which would outlaw "bump stocks". Never mind background checks or registering firearms, or anything which actually might be effective. Just a rather transparent attempt to maybe pick up a few votes from those gullible enough to believe this bill will have any actual effect.

Well, considering that this is a reaction to the Vegas shooting, you couldn't be more wrong.  Regulating or banning bump stocks is the only thing that would have prevented deaths at that event.  The shooter would have passed every check with flying colors. 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

Well, considering that this is a reaction to the Vegas shooting, you couldn't be more wrong.  Regulating or banning bump stocks is the only thing that would have prevented deaths at that event.  The shooter would have passed every check with flying colors. 

Who are you trying to kid? Bump stocks being banned would have only the slightest impact on this event. He had 75 minutes to fire at will, but he completed what he wanted to do in about 12. Actual restrictions on gun ownership, such as we have in Canada, or they have in the UK, would have an effect. The stats speak for themselves.

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Omni said:

The campaign was certainly more dignified. I cringe at the images of Trump leering at Hillary and roaming around behind her while she was speaking.  

I can see why but if you believe victory is all that matters in politics, Trump has his result. Hard to say if he did it intentionally, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Too many of those occurrences worked in his favour. When he was stomping around, he took the attention right off of her. Everybody's watching him, and not listening to what she's saying. Food for the people who like him, a distraction for those who don't. I mean the man's either a genius or... haha

Not that I am highly interested in US politics but the drama is fun to watch, and says some interesting things about politics, media manipulation and social attitudes. Sociologists are writing many papers these days, no doubt.

[Hal 9000]

13 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Its not just the dems who support more gun control  

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/02/politics/bipartisan-gun-control-policies-majorities/index.html

 

 

Good on 'em.  I support more gun control too.  Not to the extent we have in Canada, but more nonetheless.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I can see why but if you believe victory is all that matters in politics, Trump has his result. Hard to say if he did it intentionally, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Too many of those occurrences worked in his favour. When he was stomping around, he took the attention right off of her. Everybody's watching him, and not listening to what she's saying. Food for the people who like him, a distraction for those who don't. I mean the man's either a genius or... haha

Not that I am highly interested in US politics but the drama is fun to watch, and says some interesting things about politics, media manipulation and social attitudes. Sociologists are writing many papers these days, no doubt.

I'm sure there are knuckledraggers in Alabama that voted for Trump who got a kick out of his bragging about grabbing women's private parts because he thinks he's a star. They can go piss up a rope for all I care. The people I do feel somewhat sorry for are the ones in the rust belt who are unemployed but who "held their noses and voted for Trump because he promised to get jobs back". Well they got screwed didn't they. I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller has impeachment material in his case file.  

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Good on 'em.  I support more gun control too.  Not to the extent we have in Canada, but more nonetheless.

What's wrong with our gun laws? Keeps us pretty safe from the wackos but we can still go hunting or target practicing. 

[Hal 9000]

24 minutes ago, Omni said:

Who are you trying to kid? Bump stocks being banned would have only the slightest impact on this event. He had 75 minutes to fire at will, but he completed what he wanted to do in about 12. Actual restrictions on gun ownership, such as we have in Canada, or they have in the UK, would have an effect. The stats speak for themselves.

Then why should bump stocks be in question at all?  May as well just keep them then.  <that's sarcasm BTW>

I don't know how you can be wrong about absolutely everything - it's staggering!

[Hal 9000]

If we were really being honest, gun violence has nothing to do with AR-15's, Assault rifles, fully auto rifles or AK-47's or any of the other "sexy" weapons that dems parade around.  Most gun violence is perpetrated by people using semi-auto handguns.  And, to go further, it's black males committing well over half of these shootings (and that's modest).  The solution is not to ban assault rifles from legal and honest gun enthusiasts.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Then why should bump stocks be in question at all?  May as well just keep them then.  <that's sarcasm BTW>

I don't know how you can be wrong about absolutely everything - it's staggering!

Not sure what you think I'm wrong about, but then you do tend to go in ever decreasing circles.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

If we were really being honest, gun violence has nothing to do with AR-15's, Assault rifles, fully auto rifles or AK-47's or any of the other "sexy" weapons that dems parade around.  Most gun violence is perpetrated by people using semi-auto handguns.  And, to go further, it's black males committing well over half of these shootings (and that's modest).  The solution is not to ban assault rifles from legal and honest gun enthusiasts.

Oh I was wondering how long it would take for the race thing to come up. And let me ask would consider the Vegas guy a legal and honest gun enthusiast? Because until a few days ago, that's exactly what he seemed to be. He just needed 47 assault rifles for some reason.

[Hal 9000]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Not sure what you think I'm wrong about, but then you do tend to go in ever decreasing circles.

You're wrong about bump stocks - isn't that obvious?  Without the bump stocks, many more people would've gotten out of the area faster.  Did you even watch the videos?

OK, are you actually suggesting that the bump stocks made no difference in the outcome in Vegas? 

[Hal 9000]

Just now, Omni said:

Oh I was wondering how long it would take for the race thing to come up. And let me ask would consider the Vegas guy a legal and honest gun enthusiast? Because until a few days ago, that's exactly what he seemed to be. He just needed 47 assault rifles for some reason.

Well then, you obviously know the facts too!

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

You're wrong about bump stocks - isn't that obvious?  Without the bump stocks, many more people would've gotten out of the area faster.  Did you even watch the videos?

OK, are you actually suggesting that the bump stocks made no difference in the outcome in Vegas? 

Bump stocks allowed the outcome to occur faster. Shooting fish in a barrel is pretty easy with a semi as well. Just takes a bit longer.

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

You're wrong about bump stocks - isn't that obvious?  Without the bump stocks, many more people would've gotten out of the area faster.  Did you even watch the videos?

OK, are you actually suggesting that the bump stocks made no difference in the outcome in Vegas? 

Pissing about over silly issues like bump stocks is just subterfuge/navel gazing. If the US wants to remedy this situation they need some serious gun restrictions, as we have here in Canada. If they aren't smart enough to get that, then I hope some asshole blows away double the number in Vegas. And then the next day, double again. It's called natural selection. after Americans get done killing each other, we won't need a passport to cross the border to get to Florida in the winter. 

[betsy]

15 hours ago, Omni said:

I see now that the GOP is trying to do a little dance to try and look like they have concerns over events like Vegas by putting forth a bill which would outlaw "bump stocks". Never mind background checks or registering firearms, or anything which actually might be effective. Just a rather transparent attempt to maybe pick up a few votes from those gullible enough to believe this bill will have any actual effect.

Sane people don't go killing people.

I think the GOP will tackle mental health - Ryan seems to lean in that direction.

 

[betsy]

5 hours ago, Omni said:

Pissing about over silly issues like bump stocks is just subterfuge/navel gazing. If the US wants to remedy this situation they need some serious gun restrictions, as we have here in Canada. If they aren't smart enough to get that, then I hope some asshole blows away double the number in Vegas. And then the next day, double again. It's called natural selection. after Americans get done killing each other, we won't need a passport to cross the border to get to Florida in the winter. 

  At least, they're looking into that bump stock.  Unless we're at war, who needs it?

Forget registry - that's a boondagle that means squat.  We've seen that.

So....what do you want to do?  Dis-arm the population?

Edited October 6, 2017 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

But that's all it is - perspective!  60 people are murdered in Chicago each and every month and it doesn't raise an eyebrow.  

Like I say, it's a slow drip.  The background issues are also much different in that we don't have mentally ill individuals amassing stockpiles of weapons.  These are related to crime, such as gang crime, so you have cultural factors like poverty and race that can't be addressed with succinct legislative changes.

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Omni said:

Oh I was wondering how long it would take for the race thing to come up. 

Of course it's a factor.  It's always there and can't be denied.  Not sure what your point is.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Regulating or banning bump stocks is the only thing that would have prevented deaths at that event.  The shooter would have passed every check with flying colors. 

Sure, but registration on gun buys and ammo buys could have also raised flags.

[betsy]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Like I say, it's a slow drip.  The background issues are also much different in that we don't have mentally ill

We have mentally ill people roaming the streets because governments had cut back where they shouldn't have! 

Liberal governments are placing their priorities and squandering billions elsewhere! 

Like.....providing free abortion (here and abroad)..... and heroin-shoot-up clinics....and free transgender surgeries....providing housing and welfare for thousands of under-screened/unvetted refugees (then spending more billions trying to deport those that aren't qualified - that is, if they can find them!)......etc.,

Edited October 6, 2017 by betsy

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada already trashed its stupid ass gun registry...the Americans were never so dumb to even try.

Edited October 6, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada already trashed it's stupid ass gun registry...the Americans were never so dumb to even try.

Fair enough.  Theoretically, there may be options but this Canadian recognizes that it's not practical to imagine implementation of such things.