bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: NAFTA will not be on Trump's priority list for the moment as his organization is being subpoenaed to turn over all documents....he is sweating that they will find the payments to Russian hooker Ivana Peeonu. Nothing illegal about payments to Russian (or Canadian) hookers....or American porn stars. In Vancouver, they are called "sex workers". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Kerfuffle Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Nothing illegal about payments to Russian (or Canadian) hookers....or American porn stars. In Vancouver, they are called "sex workers". I Don't remember saying it was illegal ....If he likes golden showers all the power to him....he has lots in common with Stormy...they both like facials... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Kerfuffle said: I Don't remember saying it was illegal ....If he likes golden showers all the power to him....he has lots in common with Stormy...they both like facials... Whatever....Trump can do as he pleases, just like anybody else. Trudeau is into...well...nevermind....this is a family forum ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Kerfuffle Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Whatever....Trump can do as he pleases, just like anybody else. Trudeau is into...well...nevermind....this is a family forum ! Since when has Trump supporters ever worried about decorum....as their gutter mouth President doesn't. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Kerfuffle said: Since when has Trump supporters ever worried about decorum....as their gutter mouth President doesn't. Nor should they....another reason Trump won the election. ..and now he has Trudeau and Freeland dancing to save NAFTA, just like Trump said he would. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nor should they....another reason Trump won the election. ..and now he has Trudeau and Freeland dancing to save NAFTA, just like Trump said he would. Why do you say they are dancing? And what dance are they performing? Quote
Kerfuffle Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Tullia said: Why do you say they are dancing? And what dance are they performing? They are dancing cause poker face showed his cards when he admitted lying about deficit with Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Tullia said: Why do you say they are dancing? And what dance are they performing? They are performing the U.S. border crossing dance, visiting the U.S. many, many times to beg for NAFTA support from Americans. Trudeau has visited the U.S. fifteen times so far as prime minister....President Trump has yet to visit Canada once, because he doesn't need to. Maybe for the G-7 meeting in June, if he feels like it ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 15, 2018 Report Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They are performing the U.S. border crossing dance, visiting the U.S. many, many times to beg for NAFTA support from Americans. Trudeau has visited the U.S. fifteen times so far as prime minister....President Trump has yet to visit Canada once, because he doesn't need to. Maybe for the G-7 meeting in June, if he feels like it ? So? I don't understand what point you are trying to get across. This is what Canada needs to do. Quote
Kerfuffle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: They are performing the U.S. border crossing dance, visiting the U.S. many, many times to beg for NAFTA support from Americans. Trudeau has visited the U.S. fifteen times so far as prime minister....President Trump has yet to visit Canada once, because he doesn't need to. Maybe for the G-7 meeting in June, if he feels like it ? Trump knows he is not welcome to Canada.....and Trudeau goes to get some from Ivanka Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Tullia said: So? I don't understand what point you are trying to get across. This is what Canada needs to do. The point is obvious....Trump promised to force NAFTA to be renegotiated or the U.S. will leave, as provided for in the agreement after six months notice. Trudeau (and Freeland) can only react to Trump (i.e. "dance"). Dance in Washington D.C., dance in New York, dance in California, dance...dance...dance. Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Trump would be doing Canada a favour by forcing more export market diversification. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: Trump knows he is not welcome to Canada... Trump's name still rides high on a Vancouver hotel complex. Edited March 16, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The point is obvious....Trump promised to force NAFTA to be renegotiated or the U.S. will leave, as provided for in the agreement after six months notice. Trudeau (and Freeland) can only react to Trump (i.e. "dance"). Dance in Washington D.C., dance in New York, dance in California, dance...dance...dance. Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Trump would be doing Canada a favour by forcing more export market diversification. Yes, we get Trump is forcing negotiations and his ignorance of international trade is something we have to work with. Canada is holding their own in these negotiations. Edited March 16, 2018 by Tullia Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tullia said: Yes, we get Trump is forcing negotiations. Canada is holding their own in these negotiations. The point is that Trump promised to force this issue, and he is the leader, not Trudeau/Freeland, who can only react (dance to Trump's tune). Trudeau will always be playing defense, because he dare not express the option to walk away from NAFTA. Again...why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Trump would be doing Canada a favour by forcing more export market diversification. Edited March 16, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The point is that Trump promised to force this issue, and he is the leader, not Trudeau/Freeland, who can only react (dance to Trump's tune). Trudeau will always be playing defense, because he dare not express the option to walk away from NAFTA. Canada handled themselves pretty well with the TPP negotiations. Canada wasn't afraid to walk away until we got the right deal. Quote
Kerfuffle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's name still rides high on a Vancouver hotel complex. Is this the Trump tower you are referring to? CNN reported that members of the Trump family, including Ivanka Trump, are under investigation by the FBI in connection to the building in downtown Vancouver. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tullia said: Canada handled themselves pretty well with the TPP negotiations. Canada wasn't afraid to walk away until we got the right deal. Then walk away from NAFTA....show Trump that Canada doesn't need it. That is Trump's game, but Trudeau doesn't have as much leverage. 50% of Ontario's exports are dependent on a single nation.....the United States. Edited March 16, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then walk away from NAFTA....show Trump that Canada doesn't need it. That is Trump's game, but Trudeau doesn't have as much leverage. 50% of Ontario's GDP is dependent on exports to a single nation.....the United States. Quote Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took a tough line on NAFTA on Friday, repeating that he could walk away if he was not happy with talks to modernize a pact the United States contends needs major changes. "The negotiations are complex and challenging ... I've said many times, we are not going to take any old deal," Trudeau told a sometimes raucous town hall event in the Pacific province of British Columbia. "Canada is willing to walk away from NAFTA if the United States proposes a bad deal." "We will not be pushed around. At the same time we can remain confident about NAFTA," he said, adding that if Washington walked away from the deal it would be "extremely harmful and disruptive" to both the United States and Canada. Trudeau said he did not think U.S. President Donald Trump would pull out of NAFTA, despite slow progress at the talks. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-talks-tough-on-nafta-repeats-he-could-walk-away/article37841966/ Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 Again....Trudeau is dancing to Trump's tune. Trudeau is not the leader on NAFTA. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Tullia Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Again....Trudeau is dancing to Trump's tune. Trudeau is not the leader on NAFTA. ok, whatever. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tullia said: ok, whatever. Agreed....whatever...as this question will always go unanswered: Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Kerfuffle Posted March 16, 2018 Report Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....whatever...as this question will always go unanswered: Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Maybe cause we are playing the US like a fiddle... ‘Brutal’ Canada has ‘outsmarted our politicians for decades,’ Trump says Quote
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted March 16, 2018 Author Report Posted March 16, 2018 13 hours ago, Kerfuffle said: NAFTA will not be on Trump's priority list for the moment as his organization is being subpoenaed to turn over all documents....he is sweating that they will find the payments to Russian hooker Ivana Peeonu. I bet he ain't sweating much, he'll find a way to squirm out of this one. I really can't understand why the MSM is so fixated on these things, it has nothing to do with running the country. Quote
TTM Posted March 24, 2018 Report Posted March 24, 2018 On 2018-03-15 at 6:33 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....whatever...as this question will always go unanswered: Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Geography, convenience, and basic math. Quote
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Posted April 10, 2018 On 15/03/2018 at 6:33 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Why is Canada so dependent on exports to and capital investment from a single nation (United States) ? Because we are afraid of independence and actually doing things for ourselves? Sucking hind teat of the great American cow appears to be our destiny. Quote
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