Netanyahu: Outraged by Expressions of Racism

[Altai]

LoL stop using my name, I see who talks about me in the search section. 

Zioshit is taught to slander other people with something (especially the crimes they commit). So as you see the topic is about the racist mindset of the zioshit but the poster named Rue use the classical "blame others with something to take attentions somewhere else other than your crimes" tactic and he traps the poster named kactus step by step. Current situation, they forgot about zioshit racism and they talk about who Kurds are 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Altai

[Rue]

3 hours ago, Altai said:

LoL stop using my name, I see who talks about me in the search section. 

Zioshit is taught to slander other people with something (especially the crimes they commit). So as you see the topic is about the racist mindset of the zioshit but the poster named Rue use the classical "blame others with something to take attentions somewhere else other than your crimes" tactic and he traps the poster named kactus step by step. Current situation, they forgot about zioshit racism and they talk about who Kurds are 

In regards to the first sentence. Thanks. Now I know you are not the same person as Kactus.  That makes it clear. Especially the happy face message Turk to Iranian on Kurds. (tee hee).

In regards to the second sentence thanks for the meaningful input from someone who called me a kafir on this forum

So let's summarize:

1-to date, Kactus has still not stated he supports a Jewish state in Israel;

2-to date Kactus has still not stated how Iranians,  Jews, Arabs, look different but keeps claiming they do;

3-Kactus has provided articles that show the very position I first stated, that any genetic differences would be invisible to the naked eye and then right after quoting them again repeats, Turks, Jews Arabs, etc., LOOK different;

4-Kactus needs to call in the big guns, "Altai" who he refers to as an "18 year old Turk" who poses with an avatar showing her full face when she claims to be a fundamentalism Muslim and "Altai" who has me on hold, well and I quote; "Lol. stop using y name, I  see who talks about me n the search section."-yes that certainly establishes how if she does not read my posts, reads them and comes to the rescue;.

5-Altai claims to be a religious Muslim and repeatedly uses the word shit in her responses which no religious Muslim would;

6-Altai used the derogatory racial slur, kafir which is an Arab and not Turkish word when Turks when insulting Jews use the word Yehudi and add an adjective;

7-the latest deflection is to argue I brought Iran into this thread, there were no other attempts to deflect and change the topic;

8-oh but wait my fave of faves- posers of Turks and Persians now  lecturing  me that Kurds are Iranians and Persians and the Iranian and Turk regimes have not been engaged in persecuting and massacring Kurds;

9-to deflect from their idiotic assertion that the Turk and Iranian regimes  are not massacring and persecuting Kurds, yet another false allegation that I claimed or suggested Iraq;s governments in including Hussein  have  also wiped out Kurds.

10-its now  a mixed tag team match with  Kactus having to call in the big guns to help him battle the Zioshit. Lol. He sends and I quote from him an "18 year old Turk" to tell me what a Kurd is? Lol. She sure did an excellent job. Now I know. 

11-This is new ammunition for my next treatise, The Turko-Tranny Wars.

12- Shazam! (referring to the tag team name they yell out when switching from one to the other in the ring )

 

Question of the day: Does Shazam look like a:

a-Jew

b-Turk

c-Kurd

d-Justin Trudeau Friday night out with the boys

e-Zioshit.

Please send all answers to Altai..

Regards,

Look up in the skye, its a North Korean missile, an Iranian jet fighter.....no... its.....

ZIO MAN

able to melt steel, control Banks, the US government  and write Hollywood porn at the same time!

Regards,

Avi (on leave of absence from Ray Donovan's office)

 

 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Rue

[Altai]

Zioshit is a mad rabid doggie.


 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2017-09-07 at 5:36 PM, Rue said:

Hey once we are on the topics of racism and Kactus now calling Kurds Persians and asking me to ask a Turk about them. Turkey, Iran and Iraq have been persecuting and murdering Kurds and denying their heritage for hundreds of years. Uh yah I will go speak to Ghost and Tax me or some neo Nazis about my Jewish identity. Makes sense.

The idiocy that is passed off on this board by the arm chair jihadi wannabees is pathetic.

Kurds and Persians have distinct languages, Kurdish for Kurds, Farsi for Persian.

Their culture, art, religion and completely different.

Kurds come from the indigenous peoples of the Mesopatain plains. They are a people who never lived centrally in one place. Persians on the other hand come from the Aryan peoples and early on centralized in towns/villages/cities.

Their civilizations and histories are  unique.

 

 

Kurds and Iranians are different but at least culturally related. For example, Kurdish is classified as an Iranian language. 

Now many peoples can end up with a language that arose separately from most of their group e.g. Irish, English in America, and Turkish. One of the anxieties of the Turkish state arises from the self-evident fact that most Turks are not descendants of the Central Asian nomads who brought the language to Anatolia. 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

The history of the world is gradually being rewritten by science and ultimately will replace biblical and other traditional narratives. In the ME, one plausible explanation for the haplogroup evidence at the moment appears to be that Jews and Palestinians arose from the same Neolithic peoples in the region with an admixture of peninsular Arabs on the Palestinian male side and perhaps Europeans etc. on the Jewish female side. 

Regarding appearance and other physical features, nature and nurture can both play a role but in the modern environment, where crippling early diseases and starvation are much less prevalent, genes must be important. 

[kactus]

On 08/09/2017 at 0:25 PM, Rue said:

In regards to the first sentence. Thanks. Now I know you are not the same person as Kactus.  That makes it clear. Especially the happy face message Turk to Iranian on Kurds. (tee hee).

You are pretty damn slow on that one....Atleast you're catching up.

 

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In regards to the second sentence thanks for the meaningful input from someone who called me a kafir on this forum

So let's summarize:

 

Let's not....

 

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1-to date, Kactus has still not stated he supports a Jewish state in Israel;

That old tired tune. Refer above....

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2-to date Kactus has still not stated how Iranians,  Jews, Arabs, look different but keeps claiming they do;

Refer above...

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3-Kactus has provided articles that show the very position I first stated, that any genetic differences would be invisible to the naked eye and then right after quoting them again repeats, Turks, Jews Arabs, etc., LOOK different;

Glad you read the articles and see the genetics differences....Haleluja! Making some progress there....Not!

 

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4-Kactus needs to call in the big guns, "Altai" who he refers to as an "18 year old Turk" who poses with an avatar showing her full face when she claims to be a fundamentalism Muslim and "Altai" who has me on hold, well and I quote; "Lol. stop using y name, I  see who talks about me n the search section."-yes that certainly establishes how if she does not read my posts, reads them and comes to the rescue;.

You're a funny man.

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8-oh but wait my fave of faves- posers of Turks and Persians now  lecturing  me that Kurds are Iranians and Persians and the Iranian and Turk regimes have not been engaged in persecuting and massacring Kurds;

 

 

 

Kurds are Iranians....It's good to learn Rue. 

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9-to deflect from their idiotic assertion that the Turk and Iranian regimes  are not massacring and persecuting Kurds, yet another false allegation that I claimed or suggested Iraq;s governments in including Hussein  have  also wiped out Kurds.

You learned about Halabja and the massacre of Iranian Kurds by Saddam. Good we are making some progress. Albeit slowwwwwly!

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10-its now  a mixed tag team match with  Kactus having to call in the big guns to help him battle the Zioshit. Lol. He sends and I quote from him an "18 year old Turk" to tell me what a Kurd is? Lol. She sure did an excellent job. Now I know. 

No clearly have no clue that Kurds share the same traditions and culture. For example they celebrate Nowruz, a festivity that is common to many Iranians including zoroastrians...How many times do I have to teach you rue?  Iran's ethnic group comprises: Persian, Azeri, Kurd, Lur, Baloch, Arab, Turkmen and Turkic tribes, Jews, Armenians, Zoroastrians, Bahais and some smaller sub sections. They are all Iranians. The fact that Iran has such a vast ethnic groups it shows the diversity of the population, their look and appearance even within Iran. Enemies of Iran have tried to create divisions between these factions. Something that you are doing here by saying Kurds are not Iranians. Perhaps Israel can learn from this and have a better, meaningful relations with their Arab semitic cousins who arr subjected to racism as the video here clearly demonstrates. Only then come here lecturing about how Iran is treating their citizens...

 

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11-This is new ammunition for my next treatise, The Turko-Tranny Wars.

Do you really think attacking people like Altai from other countries will help you get your point across?

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12- Shazam! (referring to the tag team name they yell out when switching from one to the other in the ring )

What tag team Rue? Common man this is a discussion forum not WWE ffs.

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Question of the day: Does Shazam look like a:

a-Jew

b-Turk

c-Kurd

d-Justin Trudeau Friday night out with the boys

e-Zioshit.

Please send all answers to Altai..

Regards,

 

All the above including you. Happy? I won't put a smiley incase you mistake my identity for that 18 year old Turkish girl. Oh wait! I must be Ghost Hacked, Omni, Marcus, Hudson Jones and dozens of other names you have accused me of. Talk about paranoia!

Best of British to ya!

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Look up in the skye, its a North Korean missile, an Iranian jet fighter.....no... its.....

ZIO MAN

able to melt steel, control Banks, the US government  and write Hollywood porn at the same time!

Regards,

Avi (on leave of absence from Ray Donovan's office)

 

You just can't let go of Iran can you. Have to say admire your obsession with that country.

Keep it coming to Avi. Shabet Shalom!

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by kactus

[marcus]

It's funny seeing Nazis in these rallies claiming that they're not racists.

Kind of like how Zionists claim that they're not racists.

 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, marcus said:

It's funny seeing Nazis in these rallies claiming that they're not racists.

Kind of like how Zionists claim that they're not racists.

 

One can't be a Nazi and claim one is not a racist.  By definition, a Nazi is a racist.  It's one of the conditions of being a Nazi.

I've never heard of a Nazi who claimed to be non-racist.

[Michael Hardner]

I just happened upon this, and it seems to me that the significant arguments were made on the first few pages.  

If a religious state is defacto racist, then we have more than a dozen racist Christian states including Greece, Norway, Denmark and England !  Why don't we have threads decrying their racism ?  In terms of culture clash between peoples, including indigenous peoples, we have Australia, USA and Canada.

In that context, I agree that we have a lot of racist states I suppose.

[Altai]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I just happened upon this, and it seems to me that the significant arguments were made on the first few pages.  

If a religious state is defacto racist, then we have more than a dozen racist Christian states including Greece, Norway, Denmark and England !  Why don't we have threads decrying their racism ?  In terms of culture clash between peoples, including indigenous peoples, we have Australia, USA and Canada.

In that context, I agree that we have a lot of racist states I suppose.

Because they are silent in general and do not take soo much attention with repulsive moves, just the opposite what Israhell does. We know well how disgusting they are but humankind is prone to forget in time.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Kurds and Iranians are different but at least culturally related. For example, Kurdish is classified as an Iranian language. 

Now many peoples can end up with a language that arose separately from most of their group e.g. Irish, English in America, and Turkish. One of the anxieties of the Turkish state arises from the self-evident fact that most Turks are not descendants of the Central Asian nomads who brought the language to Anatolia. 

 

 

They have cultural similiarities for sure. However to call a Kurd an Iranian is like calling them a Turk. The Kurds in Northern Iran and the Kurds in the top part of Iraq and within Turkey do not consider and have never considered themselves Turks or Iranians or Persians. Calling Kurds Persians or Iranians is a code extremists on this board use between one another as a chuckle. They detest Kurds and their desire to be independent and want them crushed. As we speak Iran engages in a war of terror against its Kurds as does Turkey. The Kurds in fact from the North or Iran are being persecuted en masse because Kurds from that area are righting the Assad regime in Syria which is a protectorate of Iran.

I am sure you are aware of all of that. Kurds have more similiarities with Jews than they do Iranians or Turks in that the Arab and Iranian world detests them and does not want them to have their own country. In fact Erdogan turned on Israel for supporting them.

The  Obama regime made a mess of relations with Kurds. On the one hand it allied with them and armed them as the principle fighter against ISIL in Irag and Assad in Syria on the other hand looked the other way when Erdogan thought they became too powerful and formed an alliance with Iran to crush them at the same time as supporting Al Nussra the Al Quaeda wing fighting Assad in Turkey. Erdogan has flipped and flopped each day depending on who he thinks will contain radical Sunnis like ISIL who he helped train and lost control of, and who will wipe out Kurds. So for him to fight Iran in one theatre in Syria and ally with them in another against the Kurds is what its all about in the Middle East and a scenario Netanyahu wanred Obama over and over again to stay out of.

The current US regime has not yet defined a Middle East strategy due to the turmoil in the White House, but the default strategy of having the US Armed Forces have more control on the ground in the interim and not rely on politicians has meant they have formed a better alliance with the Kurds and this is why Erdogan ran to Putin asking them for help to contain the Kurds since the US will not.

In all this turmoil Justin Trudeau did one thing write. The strategy to pull out the bombers and concentrate on the ground assisting Kurdish fighters with Canadian special forces is valuable. Its enabled some very real defeats of ISIL on the ground and the Kurds are a reliable ally to the West in containing ISIL and radical Islamist extremists. Saudi Arabia flip flops on them and is a reluctant ally right now because Egypt, Israel and Jordan see them as a valuable ally in containing not just ISIL, but Iran, Turkey, Hezbollah.

As a fighting force, Kurds h ave developed a solid reputation. They didn't have equipment, but their knowledge of the desert and their realization they are fighting a war to prevent their extinction by hostile Islamic regimes gives them an added intensity much like the Israelis have When you are surrounded by people trying to wipe you out, the imperative to fight to survive gives  you an intangible strength the Islamic Jihadi do not have but claim to have.

On the ground the Kurds have proven to learn quickly and engage in fierce ground incursions without retreat or fear.

[Altai]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Kurds and Iranians are different but at least culturally related. For example, Kurdish is classified as an Iranian language. 

Now many peoples can end up with a language that arose separately from most of their group e.g. Irish, English in America, and Turkish. One of the anxieties of the Turkish state arises from the self-evident fact that most Turks are not descendants of the Central Asian nomads who brought the language to Anatolia. 

 

 

LoL Whuatttt ? Self evident fact ? Anxieties ?   Do you have any sources for your claims other than your ass ? So I mean studies generally accepted. 

[Rue]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The history of the world is gradually being rewritten by science and ultimately will replace biblical and other traditional narratives. In the ME, one plausible explanation for the haplogroup evidence at the moment appears to be that Jews and Palestinians arose from the same Neolithic peoples in the region with an admixture of peninsular Arabs on the Palestinian male side and perhaps Europeans etc. on the Jewish female side. 

Regarding appearance and other physical features, nature and nurture can both play a role but in the modern environment, where crippling early diseases and starvation are much less prevalent, genes must be important. 

Probably yes. But the genetics we talk of now are invisible to the eye and the insistence we define people by how they look, is an antiquated subjective illusion which was based on the actual belief physical appearance traits are a genetic difference and can be generalized according to where people live. Its been proven nonsense by science.

You know if we want to get technical we all are related genetically somehow and some closer to others. The nose shape or skin colour means nothing and cross cultural image tests have shown no human is capable of properly picking out face characteristics to match alleged "race" a subjective construct.

The best I have seen at facial recognition are counter-terrorists who scan the crowds in certain airports in Israel or border agents on the Mexican borders in California.

The first thing they were trained is to understand there was no fool proof method and that face recognition is illusionary. They look for repeating patterns but even those patterns are not reliable. They just use them as a red flag or a possibility..

I saw a border guard on the Tijuana border crossing in San Diego pick out my colleague and identify him as being a Quebecer from Quebec City based on his glasses and jeans. He had lived in Toronto for years but bought both in Quebec City where he was originally from.

We studied him for part of our cross cultural studies on face recognition He could pick out regions from where Mexicans came from. Peruvians, Columbians, and so on, things you and I would find invisible and most people chalked it up to his understanding bone structure or lips. After in depth analysis it was in fact him picking up clothing differences, body posture, tone of accent from repeat exercise and exposure to a constant surging line of humanity coming across his desk.

The things we think make us different i.e.,  nose shape are illusionary. We might be able to define people's religion, culture, politics, gender, gender preference by appearance of clothing or posture  but physical facial differences and skin colour to not remain distinct to define a genetic prototype and never have. Its actually a racist construct to argue an Arab looks different than a Jew suggesting we have different physical chacteristics  based on genetics. This is the same bullshit argument white supremusts and racists of all ethnic groups make to argue hatred and justification for political and religious beliefs that define certain peoples as inferior.

Let's not play. The Koran is interpreted by Muslim extremists literally to mean Jews look different and are inferior in every way. It fuels the same mentality against Kurds, Christians, Bahaiis, etc. Its a loathsome antiquated pack mentality, herd mentality belief-we should expect that of primates like Chimpanzees, Baboons, oher pack animals like hyenas and Muslim extremists or any religious extremists or racists.

On this forum there was an attempt to slur Argus for saying people in the Middle East physically do not look different. When called out on it Kactus engaged in this idiot defence of quoting invisible to the eye genetic differences to argue Arabs and Jews look different. In one thread he says we look different, then in the very next response says he never said that and then repeats we look different again in  he sentence after that.

I have asked him repeatedly on this thread to indicate the physical differences between Jews and Arabs and Turks and Kurds, etc., he can not. He deflects repeatedly

He's tried to refer to you to defend him and now what he refers to as an "18 year old Turk" whose contributions are self evident.

Marcus, Kactus, et al, came on this thread to smeer all Israelis as racists for being Zionist, pure and simple. They used the lead in that Netanyahu is a racist and within one post switche dto pissing on Jews for thinking they are entitled to a Jewish state.

Kactus et al are on this forum to engage in denying Jews the right to a Jewish state and using this board to engage in anti semitic references as to all Jews, not just Zionists and Israelis and the trajectory and content of the responses including the Jew baiting of me speak for itself and it was not very hard to draw out.

Now just so I explain this, when Hudson Jones calls me a child, this is another code Muslim extremists use which in their language signifies the belief that Jews are inferior and can be talked down to. I understand it. Whether you do or not, I do.

These responses are just arm chair jihadi warrior wannabees thinking its fun to insult Jews. It makes them feel they are united and have a cause.

My role is to simply expose the agenda which I have.

These idiots are not hard to pull of script and have their emotions of hatred towards Jews, ooze out.

I have been ringing the bell to salivating dogs to get them to  expose their actual hatred for a long time on this forum. Its not very hard and they never fail to answer the bell with the salivation of anti Semitism flowing from their lips if may speak poetically as one rabid Zio shit dog to an alleged team of different individuals pissing on Israel. Lol.

I've always found it hilarious how many members of the "tag team" show up to respond to moi. I feel like Andre the Giant or the BIg Show in a handicap match only it really is a handicap match given who it is they put in the ring with moi.

Here comes another Zio pile driver against "The Legend".

Listen Spanky,  all that matters is Jesse Ventura ring side approves of me and he does.

What all these tag team members need is Bobby the Brain Heenan to help them organize their thoughts.

This Abdullah the Butcher routine is ridiculous.

[Rue]

51 minutes ago, Altai said:

LoL Whuatttt ? Self evident fact ? Anxieties ?   Do you have any sources for your claims other than your ass ? So I mean studies generally accepted. 

There we go, nuanced, in depth analysis.

Listen I have to intervene. Spanky is not a sex object. Stop objectivizing his ass.

Speaking of  sexism  I do appreciate the avatar of "Altai"  posing as a Muslim fundamentalist now shows breasts.

How does that work? Is that really consistent with a Muslim fundamentalist the avatar supposedly shows?

Listen I like the"Lol. Whuattttt? references  and giggling emoticons. It does try add an air of authenticity to the role. 

 

" At my age the only thing constant giggling from perky  breasts does is annoy the snot out of my prostate."

 

 

Rue, p.67, c. 3,  "Do You Really Want To Be A Sugar Daddy", Tel Aviv: Zio Rabid Dog Press, 2017

 

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Altai said:

Because they are silent in general and do not take soo much attention with repulsive moves, just the opposite what Israhell does. We know well how disgusting they are but humankind is prone to forget in time.

I am not sure, the above words require a translator, but I think it has something to do with oral hygiene practices.

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

14 hours ago, marcus said:

It's funny seeing Nazis in these rallies claiming that they're not racists.

Kind of like how Zionists claim that they're not racists.

Oh look who'has come on the  board to engage in holocaust inversion and anti semitic baiting.

This summarizes  the above:

http://zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/ZionistNazis.htm.

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Rue

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, Altai said:

LoL Whuatttt ? Self evident fact ? Anxieties ?   Do you have any sources for your claims other than your ass ? So I mean studies generally accepted. 

I hesitate to post links about DNA because I am largely clueless about their contents but let's start with something even I can understand on Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

This gives an upper limit of 22% ethnic Turkic origin of the current population of Turkey which corresponds to the phenotypic evidence I saw on my brief vacation there and what anybody can google. Many Turks are even hairier than I am (neck shaves are widely advertised) and eye shape is definitely Caucasian. Incredibly, given the tragic recent history of the region, a serious insult in modern Turkey is to suggest that a person has Armenian blood:

https://armenianweekly.com/2010/11/06/11-month-sentence/

The obvious irony is that such remarks are broadly true. Most people who live in Turkey today are more closely related to Armenians than to the Ottoman horsemen who swept in from the steppe. This is a common mistake in such narratives. In Ireland, for example, the Celts were comparatively recent invaders (2.5k ya) who replaced the original language but not the indigenous people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Altai]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I hesitate to post links about DNA because I am largely clueless about their contents but let's start with something even I can understand on Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

This gives an upper limit of 22% ethnic Turkic origin of the current population of Turkey which corresponds to the phenotypic evidence I saw on my brief vacation there and what anybody can google. Many Turks are even hairier than I am (neck shaves are widely advertised) and eye shape is definitely Caucasian. Incredibly, given the tragic recent history of the region, a serious insult in modern Turkey is to suggest that a person has Armenian blood:

https://armenianweekly.com/2010/11/06/11-month-sentence/

The obvious irony is that such remarks are broadly true. Most people who live in Turkey today are more closely related to Armenians than to the Ottoman horsemen who swept in from the steppe. This is a common mistake in such narratives. In Ireland, for example, the Celts were comparatively recent invaders (2.5k ya) who replaced the original language but not the indigenous people. 

This is just another false propaganda of the recent years. So trying to assimilate Turkish people from their roots mentally, culturally with these stories. Its logically impossible for us to be closer another race than Turkic race because, we have migrated to Anatolia in large numbers and the people living here (Greeks, Armenians etc) were much less than Turkish population. So for example if we consider 3 Turks for 1 Greek or 2x1, in this case, even if Turkic and non-Turkic people married each other, next generation kids will have fifty fifty chromosomes and therefore genes. So in this case, kids will have %75 Turkic genes and %25 Greek genes in third generation, each next generation they will have less Greek genes. As I said this is the situation if Turks only marry with non-Turks. Its also another fact that Turks would never marry with non-Turks (especially in these ancient times) and will avoid to disrupt original family structure. 

I have asked you for generally accepted sources, do you have any ? I dont think that Armenian Weekly or Wikipedia (which is banned in Turkiye) is considered as "generally accepted sources". By the way I have cousins half Kurdish and half Turkish and they will probably genetically be assimilated in Turkic genes in time. 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Altai

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Altai said:

This is just another false propaganda of the recent years. So trying to assimilate Turkish people from their roots mentally, culturally with these stories. Its logically impossible for us to be closer another race than Turkic race because, we have migrated to Anatolia in large numbers and the people living here (Greeks, Armenians etc) were much less than Turkish population. So for example if we consider 3 Turks for 1 Greek or 2x1, in this case, even if Turkic and non-Turkic people married each other, next generation kids will have fifty fifty chromosomes and therefore genes. So in this case, kids will have %75 Turkic genes and %25 Greek genes in third generation, each next generation they will have less Greek genes. As I said this is the situation if Turks only marry with non-Turks. Its also another fact that Turks would never marry with non-Turks (especially in these ancient times) and will avoid to disrupt original family structure. 

I have asked you for generally accepted sources, do you have any ? I dont think that Armenian Weekly or Wikipedia (which is banned in Turkiye) is considered as "generally accepted sources". By the way I have cousins half Kurdish and half Turkish and they will probably genetically be assimilated in Turkic genes in time. 

I'm not sure I follow the logic about the genes there. 

The Gul lawsuit is well documented:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gul-files-suit-against-aritman-10624092

and the Wikipedia article has numerous scientific sources, some from Turkish scientists. 

National myths are hard to question even when the evidence is stacked against them. In one study, Anatolians were most closely related genetically to Circassians - who are certainly not Turkic but rose to many important positions in the Ottoman Empire. Another snippet of good news - Greek and Turkish Cypriots are very closely related. 

[Rue]

14 hours ago, kactus said:

You are pretty damn slow on that one....Atleast you're catching

Glad you read the articles and see the genetics differences....Haleluja! Making some progress there....Not!

You're a funny man.

Kurds are Iranians..... 

No clearly have no clue that Kurds share the same traditions and culture.

Do you really think attacking people like Altai from other countries will help you get your point across?

What tag team Rue? Common man this is a discussion forum not WWE ffs.

 

Speaking about slow, let's just say In regards to comment 1,  you did not understand what I said. Whether that is because you are slow or your translator doesn't explain nuance, I leave to you.  Nuance, sarcasm, being satirical, being tongue in cheek, its hard when you realy on a translator to pick such things up when your mother tongue is not English.

Next in regards to your second comment, you provided articles that supported my initial argument that any genetic differences beteen Arabs. Jews, Persians would be invisible to the eye. Not only do you quote articles that support my position, but then you now continue to repeat the ridiculous racist contention you made that Arabs, Jews, Persians look different because of genetics. I asked you to explain how we "look" diferent and you still can't explain, but you do provide essays that say the genetic differences would necessarily be invisible to the human eye.

That's one hell of a deflection. Now look up the word PUTZ in your Yiddish translator.

In regards to comment 3, no Kurds are not and have never been Iranian. You can pretend all you want they are but they are not. Kurds identify themselves as distinct from Iranians and always have. They feel the Iranian citizenship forced upon their Northern Iranians is a British colonial creation. They feel Iran is an artificial British colony invented by taking a Kurd region, a Sunni region and a Shiite region and stacking the Kurds on top, the Sunnis in the Middle and the Shiites below and  calling it Iraq, a monarchy created by Britain to place on of Prince Faisal's son's as its King as pay back for Faisal ripping up an agreement to create a Muslim state side by side a Jewish one in the Middle East. As part of that deal, Britain also seized 90% of Palestinian illegally, called it Trans-Jordan, placed Faisal's other son as King of that nation, then pledged the area known as Saudi Arabia today, to the remainder of Faisal's klan. They then created puppet monarchies in what is now Kuwait and the UAE. Iran as its called was a British  colonial reinvention of ancient Persia.

The Kurds believe the British colonial borders that created Iraq, Iran and the French colonial borders that created Lebanon and Syria all created as part of the Picot agreement by the Britidsh and French from preventing Jewish and Muslim states living side by side bloacking out the need of the French or British to intervene prevented Kurds from their own state.

The Kurds also believe the current State of Turkey, the former state of the Ottoman Empire, created borders that unfairly seized and conquered Kurdish land.

The Kurds have always stated the Turks, Iraqis and Iranians as well as former Soviet Union all waged wars against the Kurds so as to control their oil and independence.

No Kurd claims to be a Turk or Iranian or Russian even if the citizenship of those nations is imposed on them.

Turks and Iranians impose their governments on the Kurds to prevent them from being independent. Iraq now is essentially a failed nation with a continuing civil war between Sunni and Shiite with the Kurds in de facto separation.

So you can repeat that lie as much as you want and even flip back and forth from the term Persian and Iranian, as if they mean one and the same thing, but the fact is Kurds are not Iranian. If you use the term Persian only to mean geographic region they could be called a type of Persian. If you use the term to mean Persian, as in a citizen of the nation of Persia then no Kurds never considered themselves and do not consider themselves Persian. The reason for that is simple. Jews, they were treated as inferiors, second class non citizens within those nations.

Zoroastreans refers to a religious belief only. Kurd refers to a people who have a culture, an ethnicity, their own language, their own religion. These components are much more than that having a religion and NO the culture and language of the Kurds is not and has never been the same as the Persians. Their religion is different, their language is different and no Kurd will allow an Iranian or Turk to define their identity  as if it does not exist independently of Iranians and Turks.

The fact that Iranian and supposed Turkish extremists come on this board to deny their distinct national identity is no different than what they do with Jews.

In regards to your comment about me "attacking" Altai, did you really think you needed to call on what you claim is an *18 year old Turk" to defend you? If that is not WWE tag team stupidity what is it?

Look at the stupidity this "Altai" has responded with. You think that made your deflections credible?

Do you think your refusing to acknowledge Jews have the right to live in a Jewish state in Israel has been detracted from and hidden? You lied. You came on this board and said you recognize an Israeli territory but you are such a liar, you can't come back now and say when you said Israeli territory you meant a Jewish Israeli state. You got caught red handed lying yrying to play bullshit semantics to make it appear you support the Jewish state of Israel's right to exist. You've been exposed as lying and only supporting an Israeli state if its not Jewish. Go on tell the board you recognize a Jewish Israeli state. Prove me wrong. Lol you can't.

You just exposed yourself to be a racist yet again. You respond to me now trying to pass off my very argument that the genetic differences between semites, Turks, Kurds, Iranians would be invisible to the eye, and even produce articles proving that point and my original assertion, but you try dishonestly to make that sound as if it was your argument and proves  Arabs. Jews, Kurds, etc. look different.

When asked repeatedly explain why we look different you can't and in fact the only thing you've done is to produce articles to prove we don't look different.

How many more of these bull shit responses will you make to me?

You have now proven from your silence you are a coward and have been caught lying.

You don't support the right of a Jewish state in Israel and in fact attack all Jews on this thread including me for believing we have the right to a state.

You continue to claim we Jews look different from Arabs but you are so bloody inept at your attempts to incite hatred between us, you can't explain those alleged physical differences

Now you add to this idiocy by claiming Kurds are Iranians.

You aren't just an anti-Semite, you don't just physically stereotype Arabs and Jews and don't have the balls to finish your stereotype we look different, now you want to show you are ignorant of Kurds.

Finally, my comments as to Muslim extremism don't just apply to Iran's regime they apply to many other regimes as I stated. I never singled out Iran and only discussed its regime when it was raised not by me but you and others by deflecting from the actual contentions you made and can't back up.

By the way if you want to dress as a woman, or think perky breasts and full open faces are consistent with women posing as Muslim fundamentalists you bet I  mock it.

Its pathetic enough you ask for me to have Turkish and Iranian extremists define what a Kurd is, but you have to tag team with a supposed Muslim extremist from Turkey who shows perky breasts and a full face. You bet I will keep pointing out how ridiculous that is.

Its as lame and pathetic and cowardly and stupid as you trying to claim you support the state of Israel in one breath then attacking all Zionists in the next breath.

Its as stunted and imbecilic as claiming Arabs, Jews, Kurds etc. look different, then providing articles to show our genetic differences would not make us look different, then in the breath after that, repeating we look different again.

Its legendary for sure.

[Altai]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I'm not sure I follow the logic about the genes there. 

The Gul lawsuit is well documented:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gul-files-suit-against-aritman-10624092

and the Wikipedia article has numerous scientific sources, some from Turkish scientists. 

National myths are hard to question even when the evidence is stacked against them. In one study, Anatolians were most closely related genetically to Circassians - who are certainly not Turkic but rose to many important positions in the Ottoman Empire. Another snippet of good news - Greek and Turkish Cypriots are very closely related. 

Can you please quote the numerous scientific articles here ? It does not matter written by whom. So being told by Turks does not make it a fact. For example Hurriyet, a German govt funded so-called Turkish newspaper. 

You have to follow logic, this is not something on your request. So if I have a genetic mostly non-Turkish, this means my ancestors were mostly non-Turkish persons and this is a logical fallacy due to reasons I gave in my pre post. 

Here Genome News Network says today's Turkish people has quite similar genes with Central Asians.

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtml

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Altai said:

This is just another false propaganda of the recent years.By the way I have cousins half Kurdish and half Turkish and they will probably genetically be assimilated in Turkic genes in time. 

Well then is it me or does this sound like someone from the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will join the collective.

Indeed, when one disagres with something, calling it false propaganda is one way to avoid having to debate it. The other is just dismissing the source of the quotes as well with no counter debate.

That kind of intellectually dishonest response  which refuses to debate and simply name calls should show the person being communicated to has no interest in any opinion but its own.

 

The contention a Kurd is a Turk or an Iranian coming from extremists from both countries who support regimes trying to engage in the genocide of Kurds is past absurd.

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/differences-between-kurds-and-persians/

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/culture-miscellaneous/differences-between-kurds-and-the-turks/

Herein lies the irony. These pathetic jihadi arm chair warrior pissantes came on this board to smeer all Israeli Jews as being racist for believing in their right to live in a Jewish state of Israel as being Nazis in one breath and asking people to define Kurds by extremists from Turkey and Iran who support their respective nation's treatment of Kurds speaks for itself.

As we speak the regimes of  Turkey and Iran are engaging in systemic persecution and mass murder of Kurds.

Israel which is called a Nazi regime because it defends itself against Palestinian terrorists unlike Iran and Turkey recognized  the right of Palestinians to not just a nation in Jordan with 90% of land illegally taken from Jews to create a Palestinian state, but also agree to a second Palestinian state on the West Bank and in Gaza.

All Israel has asked in return is that Palestinians stop terror attacks and recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state and give up the notion they can send 4-8 million Muslims who subjectively with no test simply identity as Palestinian although never born in Israel, the right to return to pre 1967 Israel and have land taken from Israelis and given to  them and Israel can remain but not as a Jewish state for an interim basis until it amalgamates with Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza all ruled by either the PA or Hamas.

The Kurds do not have a charter that states their mission is to take over all of Iran and Turkey and turn it Kurdish.

The Palestinians have numerous charters from Hamas the PA and over 300 terror cells stating their mission is to take over all of Israel and Jordan and turn them into a Sunni Muslim state.

The Israelis are accused of being Nazis and engaging in genocide against Palestinians and yet the Palestinian population on the West Bank and in Gaza under Israeli occupation sky rocketed to the point for every Israeli born there arr 30 to 100 Palestinians born. That's one  hell of a genocide.

Hamas and PA use its children as ground cover, schools, hospitals, Mosques, ambulances, as military supply depots, attack headquarters and barracks for terrorists, the Kurds do not.

 Israel as we speak provides free access and medical care to Palestinians.

This pathetic attempt to smeer Israel as racist in a part of the world where Kurds, Jews, Zoroastreans, Bahaiis, Christians, Coptics, Berbers, Asyrians, Druze, atheists, trade unionists, journalists, femnists and gay/lesbians have all been the subject of death and torture by Islamic regimes is a phacking joke.

Arafat' statement to the world he negotiated in bad faith during all peace talks and the Israelis and Americans should have known he would never despite what he said live peacefully with any Jew anywhere on the planet is public domain. This is the position Abbas  now supports. This is the position Hamas now supports. The PA and Hamas as well as Iran and Syria are in a declared state of war with Israel precisely because it is Jewish.

A war against a state for being Jewish by numerous states that are Muslim or by terrorists who support Muslim states is called a war against racism because if a Jew has a state, its racist but if a Muslim has one its not racist.

Never mind Jews and Arabs are not a race. According to the jihadi arm chair geniuses on this board, we are distinct races who look different and so do Turks, Kurds, etc.

Oh but wait, "Hudson Jones" will be back to set me straight or will it be Altei or Kactus or Marcus, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

[marcus]

Racists are racists. The word racist goes beyond the actual 'race' of a person. It's hate and discrimination towards another group based on their race, culture or ethnic background. 

Europeans, for the most part, have confronted their colonialism's roots in racism. Despite the recent rise of a loud minority, racism and colonialism are not normal in the western culture. However, Israel and Zionists have a difficult time admitting and confronting their racism which have strong roots in their colonialist-settler policies, that  continues today. When the Nazi party received overwhelming support from the public for their racist views and policies on Jews, gypsies and other minorities, they used the excuse of 'self-defense' and 'preservation of race and culture' to rally the people. Exact same excuses used by Zionists to support their treatment of Palestinians and other minorities.

Here is a Western politician who has the balls to criticize Israel:

 

Edited September 10, 2017 by marcus

[Rue]

The Superman response from Kactus is the tip of the iceberg.

Here is a list of Jewish superheroes I am allied with:

 

• Atom Smasher (formerly Nuklon of Infinity, Inc.) (DC Comics)
• Batwoman (Kate Kane) (DC Comics)
• Colossal Boy of the Legion of Super-Heroes (DC Comics)
• Doc Samson (Marvel Comics)
• Firestorm (Martin Stein) (DC Comics)
• Justice (formerly Marvel Boy of the New Warriors) (Marvel Comics)
• Masada (Team Youngblood)
• The Monolith (DC Comics)
• Nite-Owl II (DC Comics Alan Moore's The Watchmen)
• Prime (Malibu Comics)
• Rue, (also known as Zio-Man, the Man of Euetectic Steel, Altai-Smasher, Ghost Buster)
• Ragman (DC Comics)—Ragman (miniseries) #1 Oct. 1991 DC Comics
• Sabra (Marvel Comics)
• Seraph of the Global Guardians (DC Comics)
• Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde) of the X-Men (Marvel Comics)
• Songbird of the Thunderbolts (formerly Screaming Mimi) (Marvel Comics)
• The Annointed One (DC)
• The Thing (Ben Grimm) of the Fantastic Four (Marvel Comics)
• Volcana (Marvel Comics)
• The Escapist
• Wiccan—born to Reform Jews Jeff and Rebecca Kaplan, raised Jewish; reincarnated grandson of Magneto (Marvel Comics)

+

these  are like me, Jewish but no we don't practice conventionally our religion:

The Atom, Iceman, Magneto, Quicksilver, Phantom Stranger, Sandman, Polaris, Scarlet Witch

also

Go-Go Girl, Songbird. Northguard, Mind Boggler, Achilles, Bedlam (Bermuda Schwarz), Dust Devil,  Doctor Fate, Grasshopper,  Boogieman, Silhouette,  Ultra Boy, Arsenic,

Green Lantern 2 (Hal Jordan),  and Robin who was half Jewish, half  Catholic.

Then there is the Jewish Hero Corps:

Menorah Man, Magen Vaid, Minyan Man, Shabbas Queen, Draidel Maidel, Kippa Kid, the capped crusader,  and Matzah Girl (Hyper Girl)

+ Private Izzy Cohen of the Howling Commandoes, Greenberg the Vampire, Dybbuk, Jewcano, and Sasquatch

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, marcus said:

It's funny seeing Nazis in these rallies claiming that they're not racists.

Kind of like how Zionists claim that they're not racists.

 

How are Zionists racist?   According to Wikipedia the word: " Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת‎ Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, "

That being the case, how is the Jewish people wanting to re-establish their Jewish homeland racist?

Edited September 10, 2017 by blackbird