Netanyahu: Outraged by Expressions of Racism

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

Bull shit.  

If you actually lived in the Middle East you would know better.

You could not tell the difference between a Libyan and Italian, Algerian, Morroccan or Tunisian, Egyptian and Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian on and on. There is no one Arab look just as there is no one Jewish look or one Persian look.  Arabs who could be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Druze, Beduin, etc. have no distinct look,. There never has been one.  One day in Israel or Jordan and 'd know that.

Go on explain it like I asked Kactus. Explain what would be the physical differences between Egyptians and Syrians you would find. Explain. He can't, how about you? What nose shape, hair colour, skin tone? Bull shit.

You can't. There is no distinct difference.

Isn't it ironic I and Argus are called racist because we  challenge physical stereotyping of Arabs. They do not have a distinct look.  Clothing styles might change but there is no physically distinct characteristic. In fact your claim has been blown away in cross cultural workshops where no one could tell the difference between Greeks, Turks, North Africans, Persians, Arabs, Latinos, Jews, Italians, Irish, Roma and so on. The subjective stereotypes we come up with are not based on fact but subjective perception which is necessarily inaccurate.

There are ample articles, books and studies on the myth of race, how we subjectively stereotype looks and what actual genetic traits that differentiate people are and those traits do not deal with skin tone, nostril shape, skin tone, hair texture. The genetic blood type of Jews and Arabs and Kurds is related. That's what defines genetic type.

Calling Arabs physical different from each other is absolute bullshit. Its the very racist stereotypes elitist Arabs use to abuse darker skinned Arabs. Its bull shit.

Of course I challenge it the same way blacks will tell you that you are full of shit telling them there is a certain black look.

You know how many times I have heard in my life, funny you don't look Jewish. Its a crock. Its an absolute crock.

Go on tell me does Doug Flutie look like an Arab? I can show you people from India that look identical like twin brothers to Ralph Nader and they are not Arab.

I can show you Jews that look just like whites, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Latinos, on and on.

I guarantee you would not know the difference between a Mexican, a Brazilian, a Jew, a Jordanian and Iranian, a Yemeni an Iraqi.

You think all Libyans look the same? Bull shit.  I have seen blonde haired, blue eyed Arabs and Jews. I guarantee you that Siekh women and Arab and Latino women would be mistaken as one and the same.

It all depends on the frame of reference you are using.

Arabs are not  distinct look anymore than anyone else is. Its their clothing, their religion, their political, cultural, economic, dietary values that might differentiate them.

Been there done that. The crap you engage in is exactly why Arabs discriminate against one another. They buy into your crap.

Its as negative as Haitiens defining their desireability by skin tone. This standard of defining people by skin colour, nose shape, its a crock of shit.

The arguments Argus puts forth are about political and religious views that are fundamentally opposed to or in conflict with democratic values. He has the right to do that about Islamic values that clash as much as he does any other ethnic or religious group's values and no, this racist bullshit that its racist not to differentiate Arabs by their nose size or lip size is a crock of shit.

But hey you and Kactus enlighten me. Tell me the physical differences. Please do.

 

You may want to read up on this topic a little more. Just as there are differences in facial appearance and height across Europe, subtle but definite, so there are differences in the ME. Why would this NOT be so, given the very different histories of these regions? 

 

Edited September 4, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I start with the proposition that everyone is 'racist'. We do a better job than most at overcoming our natural tendencies, and Canada is less racist than most countries. 

There's a clear as day difference between us and the Israelis, though. We don't live in a Christian state. We don't have a West Bank where everything you can do is determined by your tribal identity.

With due respect not everything on the West Bank is decided by tribal identity and Palestinians are not a tribe, they are a group of people who identify as a national collective identity of people called Palestinians. Its not a  tribe its a political national collective identity. Its become synonomous with a specific kind of Islam but not all Palestinians are Muslim and so the term tribe is bullshit. Christian Palestinians are not in the tribe of Palestinians. Jew of the West Bank who have lived in Hebron or other parts since Biblical days and are ultra-orthodox and don't recognize the Jewish state are as Palestinian as the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

Bull shit.  

If you actually lived in the Middle East you would know better.

You could not tell the difference between a Libyan and Italian, Algerian, Morroccan or Tunisian, Egyptian and Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian on and on. There is no one Arab look just as there is no one Jewish look or one Persian look.  Arabs who could be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Druze, Beduin, etc. have no distinct look,. There never has been one.  One day in Israel or Jordan and 'd know that.

Go on explain it like I asked Kactus. Explain what would be the physical differences between Egyptians and Syrians you would find. Explain. He can't, how about you? What nose shape, hair colour, skin tone? Bull shit.

You can't. There is no distinct difference.

Isn't it ironic I and Argus are called racist because we  challenge physical stereotyping of Arabs. They do not have a distinct look.  Clothing styles might change but there is no physically distinct characteristic. In fact your claim has been blown away in cross cultural workshops where no one could tell the difference between Greeks, Turks, North Africans, Persians, Arabs, Latinos, Jews, Italians, Irish, Roma and so on. The subjective stereotypes we come up with are not based on fact but subjective perception which is necessarily inaccurate.

There are ample articles, books and studies on the myth of race, how we subjectively stereotype looks and what actual genetic traits that differentiate people are and those traits do not deal with skin tone, nostril shape, skin tone, hair texture. The genetic blood type of Jews and Arabs and Kurds is related. That's what defines genetic type.

Calling Arabs physical different from each other is absolute bullshit. Its the very racist stereotypes elitist Arabs use to abuse darker skinned Arabs. Its bull shit.

Of course I challenge it the same way blacks will tell you that you are full of shit telling them there is a certain black look.

You know how many times I have heard in my life, funny you don't look Jewish. Its a crock. Its an absolute crock.

Go on tell me does Doug Flutie look like an Arab? I can show you people from India that look identical like twin brothers to Ralph Nader and they are not Arab.

I can show you Jews that look just like whites, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Latinos, on and on.

I guarantee you would not know the difference between a Mexican, a Brazilian, a Jew, a Jordanian and Iranian, a Yemeni an Iraqi.

You think all Libyans look the same? Bull shit.  I have seen blonde haired, blue eyed Arabs and Jews. I guarantee you that Siekh women and Arab and Latino women would be mistaken as one and the same.

It all depends on the frame of reference you are using.

Arabs are not  distinct look anymore than anyone else is. Its their clothing, their religion, their political, cultural, economic, dietary values that might differentiate them.

Been there done that. The crap you engage in is exactly why Arabs discriminate against one another. They buy into your crap.

Its as negative as Haitiens defining their desireability by skin tone. This standard of defining people by skin colour, nose shape, its a crock of shit.

The arguments Argus puts forth are about political and religious views that are fundamentally opposed to or in conflict with democratic values. He has the right to do that about Islamic values that clash as much as he does any other ethnic or religious group's values and no, this racist bullshit that its racist not to differentiate Arabs by their nose size or lip size is a crock of shit.

But hey you and Kactus enlighten me. Tell me the physical differences. Please do.

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

With due respect not everything on the West Bank is decided by tribal identity and Palestinians are not a tribe, they are a group of people who identify as a national collective identity of people called Palestinians. Its not a  tribe its a political national collective identity. Its become synonomous with a specific kind of Islam but not all Palestinians are Muslim and so the term tribe is bullshit. Christian Palestinians are not in the tribe of Palestinians. Jew of the West Bank who have lived in Hebron or other parts since Biblical days and are ultra-orthodox and don't recognize the Jewish state are as Palestinian as the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

 

So those Jews in Hebron call themselves Palestinians? 

Try and debate in a mannerly fashion. 

Edited September 4, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[Rue]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You may want to read up on this topic a little more. Just as there are differences in facial appearance and height across Europe, subtle but definite, so there are differences in the ME. Why would this NOT be so, given the very different histories of these regions? 

 

Because the differences you talk about have nothing to do with physical characteristics and Spanky with due respect don't tell me to read up on Jewish and Arab stereotypes of what we look like. I live it you don't.  Seriously Spanky, Arabs and Jews we are the same people. We do not look different. We don't look any different. Jews can be Arabs. Christians can be Arabs. Muslims can be Arabs. Arabs and Jews are semitic peoples.. We share a common blood origin. Genetically we are related that way and its why our secondary physical characteristics vary the exact same way.

What is even more ironic is Palestinians define themselves no diferent that Jews who call themselves Israeli. The way Arab is used today connotates not simply descending from the Arabian peninsula but the sharing of the Arabic language, the Koran, other things. In fact people tracing back to the Beduins probably the last  true Arabs are a minority. Today's Arabs like Jews are unified by language, culture, sometimes religion, not always, literature, art.

Some Jews indentify more with Arab culture then say Ashkenazi Jewish culture. Tsfardic or Mitzrahi Jews identify as Arabs. They read and speak the language. They eat similar foods. They have similar beliefs in music, art, dress.

Its a racist stereotype to think Arabs or Jews look unique. Palestinians  define themselves as a nationality not a tribe. Jews of Israel do not refer to themselves as the Hebrew tribe, they call themselves sabras (born in Israel, named after a cactus) or Israeli. You can have Christian and Muslim and Druze and Beduin and Bahaii Israelis.

The identity is far more complex than you would think and its not based on physicality. I could plop you in the middle of Tel Aviv, Beirut, Amman, and you could swear it was the same people. That is because it is the same people.

The agenda to have Arabs and Jews think they are different is bullshit. Our values differ on many things but not physical appearance. Save that for the KKK. For that matter if I were to sit here and pull out the Koran, Old and New Testaments I could show you identical passages not just different ones. It depends on what you look for, half empty or half full.

I go back to the way Argus defines. I agree with it. Our values should be defined on whether we agree or don't agree with specific democratic values. That's a standard that should apply equally to all of us.

Your disagreement with me is actually  a minor one. I don't disagree there are differences just not a physical one. I think the difference between Arab peoples is actually born from different regional cultural values no different than say Newfoundlanders and British Columbians. Does a Newfy look different than a British Columbian?  Well maybe they dress different. Maybe the accents are different. But they are both Canadian, both know the sea. See what I mean? What exactly makes them  look different. Is it their nose shape or thinks like their folk stories, type of music, paintings, maybe food dishes?

 

[Rue]

21 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So those Jews in Hebron call themselves Palestinians? 

Try and debate in a mannerly fashion. 

In fact those Jews in Hebron don't consider themselves Israeli and have asked to be part of any Palestinian state yes and Abbas in fact said he would expel them all or engage them in war if they do not leave once Palestine is declared. He could care less they are Palestinians. He also believes in a sharia law state so Christian Palestinians would soon find themselves inferior citizens. Abbas said he will never recognize Christian Palestinians as having the right to own land. That means he will seize all Christian Palestinian lands and tale it away from them.

As for debating mannerly, its bullshit to tell me what my culture is and what my origins are. Please don't do that and I will be mannerly. Tell me to educate myself about my people and history when you clearly don't understand that I consider that arrogant and presumptious. Please don't assume I don't know what I look like and where I come from and you know more about my ethnicity, etc. You don't. For you to say Arabs look different is bull shit. Think about it.  You can't explain why you would even think Syrians and Egyptians look different but you assume they look different. There is nothing mannerly about that. Its a racist presumption of what you think people look like

You think to a black man faced with the KKK coming on his lawn whites look different?

You think as a Jew you sound any diferent to me than a KKK when you start saying Arabs look a certain way? What's the difference?

How is it culturally enlightened to think Arabs physically look different?

I want one Arab to come on this board and explain how they physically look different than Jews, whites, etc. Just one. I want you to do it. The moment you can, let me know because anyone who comes on this board and starts arguing their is a distinct physical look with ethnic types is engaging in bullshit racism.

You want to tell me I look like a Jew, its not mannerly. Its bullshit.

 

Edited September 4, 2017 by Rue

[SpankyMcFarland]

The word 'racist' is inaccurate in the I/P context because we are talking about two groups which are predominantly Caucasian. Something like 'discrimination on the basis of group identity' might be closer. Palestinians and Jews may have had a common origin but all groups that marry amongst themselves must become different over time as random mutations accumulate, leaving aside other selective pressures that will tend to cause divergence. 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The word 'racist' is inaccurate in the I/P context because we are talking about two groups which are predominantly Caucasian. Something like 'discrimination on the basis of group identity' might be closer. Palestinians and Jews may have had a common origin but all groups that marry amongst themselves must become different over time as random mutations accumulate, leaving aside other selective pressures that will tend to cause divergence. 

Please explain these mutations,. Spanky I respect your opinions and apologize if you think I have been rude to you, I genuinely apologize I am just debating this issue and you are someone I respect so I am challenging you but I do not mean it in a bad way. I am trying to be up front with you.  I have lived in the damn area. I have worked with all these peoples. There is no way anyone has mutated. Not just yet.

I will say this. It is a fact there is a lot if first cousin marriages in the Arab world particularly in Syria and that leads to certain congenital illnesses you won't find anywhere else having to do with mental capacity or things like Guilen-Barre syndrome a degenerative spinal disease but physical difference in terms of nose shape, lips, eyes, hair, etc. that you could notice like down's syndrome, no.

No on has mutated any differently in the Middle East then they have elsewhere with due respect.

You won't get a peep out of me over their being regional cultural differences within the Arab and Jewish worlds but genetically you aren't going to find physical  mutations resulting in distinct secondary physical characteristics.

If you typw In cross recognition tests you can find out all kinds of information as to what I am saying.. while Wikepedia is often inaccurate try it on this one, go to

https:en/wikepedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effectm  start there.

Now if you want to provide me examples of these physical mutations please do so. I am telling you they don't exist differently in Syrians than Egyptians, than Israelis, etc.

There is no such evidence because it does not exist.

 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The word 'racist' is inaccurate in the I/P context because we are talking about two groups which are predominantly Caucasian. Something like 'discrimination on the basis of group identity' might be closer. Palestinians and Jews may have had a common origin but all groups that marry amongst themselves must become different over time as random mutations accumulate, leaving aside other selective pressures that will tend to cause divergence. 

Its actually inaccurate to call Caucasian a race. Science has proven Caucasian, mongoloid and negroid are meaningless. They have no scientific basis. They have been proven to be subjective perceptions but not based on genetics.

Even the word Caucasian used to describe white people is silly, Caucasians include Turks, Arabs and my favourite MOUNTAIN JEWS go  find out who they are. Caucasian was a geographic region and some Europeans saw people there, thought they were beautiful in appearance and called them Caucasian.

When I use the word racism it is accurate. It refers to the exercise of suggesting people physically look different because of their physical appearance based on subjective stereotyping of their hair texture, skin tone, lip shape, nose size, nostril shape and eye shape. Those are secondary physical characteristics that do not determine anything but subjective perceptions which are illusionary because of what is called the cross race effect.

You can have a coal black African and a pale white European who have more in common than two coal black men or two pale white men.

I am surprised I would have to explain this to you.

The argument of physical difference practiced in the Arab world like in the Western world has led to justification to discriminate against those with darker skin, etc. Is irrational, its asinine and it does not get to the root of the Middle East conflict which is  an interpretation of Islam that changes depending on village, town, region, country that then leads to civil wars between Muslims, and wars between Muslims and non Muslims. Muslim society is where Christian society used to be and Jewish society once was. It has not yet evolved past a fundamentalist stage of interpretation which leads to rigid views.

Progressive Muslims are a minority of Muslims and are threatened by mainstream Islam which still for the most part is fundamentalist and subject to strict interpetations by Shiite and Sunni Mullahs who disagree with each other and disagree within their own sects.

Why we walk around this is bullshit to me. I say it openly. Ultra orthodox Judaism is not compatible with modern democracy. Ultra conservative Christianity is not either. This is why the Amish and Hasidic Jews segregate and remove themselves from mainstream Western society. The difference is they don't engage in terrorism or war against people they disagree with

Aboriginal customs and beliefs often come into direct conflict with our modern concepts of democracy. You don't see them engaging in terrorism.

Fundamentalism can lead to extremism and violence and terrorism-in the Muslim world it does. To pretend in the Muslim world there is no violence between Muslims and between Muslims and non Muslims where Muslims are a majority is bullshit.

Peaceful Muslims like Amoidyah and Ismaili have been targeted for violent attack by other Muslims precisely because of their beliefs.

I've sat in Mosques where Mullahs have preached Israel must be destroyed by any means possible and I have sat in Mosques where Muslims welcomed me as a brother and had zero issue with Israel or me. That to me is a crucial difference not nose shape.

Jews look like anyone else. Its their beliefs that distinguish us from each other and non Jews. If I were to use a tone of reference that said Arabs should not have Muslim nations, and they are infidel going to hell for not following Moses, that would make me an intolerant individual very easily capable of going the next step and becoming terrorist. Judaism never taught or teaches anyone of another faith is infidel. Christianity and Islam do that, not Judaism, Jews don't convert people. WE don't go door to door converting people or reaching Moses is the only one.

There are a minority of Jews that may use the religion to condone hatred of Arabs and Palestinians and if they do that I can assure you they think the same thing as my kind of Jew but these are a minority and it is their intolerance and violence not their nose shape that distinguishes them. Same holds true of Muslims. I do know mainstream Islam still teaches its followers non Muslims are dhimmi, inferior and not equal. Until that changes, the conflict not just between Muslims and Jews, but between Muslims and Christians, Muslims and thre West and Muslims and progressive Muslims will continue.

Christianity now denounces the blaming of all Jews for killing Christ and it is now mainstream for Christians even though they believe Christ is the only way to get to heaven to respect Jews just as we respect them. Nothing in Judaism is incompatible with Christianity or vice versa but the interpretation of the word Messiah. Some Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet. Some like gnostic Christians or modern progressive Christians believe messiah was  a word Jesus meant was the potential in all of us to save the world through positive behaviour and so in that sense we were all sent as sons and daughters of God to save the world so to speak and others believe literally in the Christ as son of God postulation but we discuss it with respect and love not as an excuse to hate. Progressive Muslims as well don't follow or interpret their Koran any more than we Jews or Christians interpret our Bibles to justify violence.

Yes KKK claim to be Christian and hate me as a Jew but they sure as hell hate Catholics, Jehova's Witnesses, 7th Day  Adventists, blacks, Muslims, gays, just as much.

If they were as wide spread as Muslim terrorists they would merit concern and it is these beliefs not physical features that distinguish us. 

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, Rue said:

Its actually inaccurate to call Caucasian a race. Science has proven Caucasian, mongoloid and negroid are meaningless.

Science may also conclude that male and female have no meaning. 

With the integration of mixed families the notion of race is getting less and less important, but that is only because things have changed in our modern world.

[Rue]

45 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Science may also conclude that male and female have no meaning. 

 

Not Science, your personal decision to cross dress. Don't confuse the two. Science long ago concluded gender difference essential for reproduction of a species just as it determined that there is a certain percentage of all species given a built in genetic predisposition to same sex preference. One does not negate or disprove the relevance or meaning of the other. scientifically, social constructs by people do that.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

Good God we need to get these jihadi warriors out of Mama's basement.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Not Science, your personal decision to cross dress. Don't confuse the two. Science long ago concluded gender difference essential for reproduction of a species just as it determined that there is a certain percentage of all species given a built in genetic predisposition to same sex preference. One does not negate or disprove the relevance or meaning of the other. scientifically, social constructs by people do that.

 

 

I am not confusing the two, but that is the reality with the SJWs.. those lines are already blurred, because you can be a male or female,  respect the pronouns Rue!!

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Good God we need to get these jihadi warriors out of Mama's basement.

You prefer them to come out and do things? I prefer to keep them there.

[Rue]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I am not confusing the two, but that is the reality with the SJWs.. those lines are already blurred, because you can be a male or female,  respect the pronouns Rue!!

You prefer them to come out and do things? I prefer to keep them there.

You are. There is nothing in genetics or biology that constructs gender in a confusing or blurry way. People may choose to change their gender but even if they change their bodies with reconstruction they have to take hormones continuously  and their reconstructed penises and vaginas can not create babies. The bio-genetic definition state of birth always has the final clear say no matter how blurry our social constructs may be about how we define gender.

You can bleach a man's skin, restructure his nose, straighten his hair, but you can't change his genetic make up which is invisible to the human eye.

 

 

[taxme]

On 8/15/2017 at 0:20 PM, marcus said:

The hilarity of the Zionist theatre continues.

In response to the nationalists/nazis/KKK racist expressions, the leader of one of the most racist countries in the world is outraged by their racism.

Link

Putting aside the well-documented and reported racism towards the inhabitants, the Palestinians, the outraged Netanyahu is the leader of a country where, this is a reality:

 

Where is the silent North American liberal media on all of this racism going on in Israel? Yet the fake and phony liberal media have no problem attacking white nationalists and reporting on them and calling them all just a bunch of white nationalist racists and Nazis who are just peacefully demonstrating and saying the same thing that the Israelies are saying? No more illegal immigration. Why is it white people are always condemned by the lying liberal media as racists for wanting to stop all illegal immigration but yet what Israel does and says is not reported? Are we now still suppose to believe again that only white people can be racists? Some Israelies on the video called themselves racist and one man even called the Africans nig-ers. Imagine if some white nationalist said the word "nig-ger? The chit would hit the fan and the liberal stupid and useless media would be all over that person. No wonder Donald Trump calls the mainstream lieberal media fake and phony because that is what they are, fake and phony period. They like to pick and choose what they want to report as news. They only want to report one side of the story and never the other. It amazes me as to how the liberal media is still alive and still left to lie to we the people. Sad indeed that there are that many people out there that will still listen to the lying liberal media. 

[GostHacked]

48 minutes ago, Rue said:

You are. There is nothing in genetics or biology that constructs gender in a confusing or blurry way. People may choose to change their gender but even if they change their bodies with reconstruction they have to take hormones continuously  and their reconstructed penises and vaginas can not create babies. The bio-genetic definition state of birth always has the final clear say no matter how blurry our social constructs may be about how we define gender.

You can bleach a man's skin, restructure his nose, straighten his hair, but you can't change his genetic make up which is invisible to the human eye.

 

 

Well, overall I agree but that's not what is happening with specifics to 'gender'.  While you cannot change your genetic sex, it seems you can choose your gender (something I oppose really) and even if you surgically change your sex,  your DNA and genetic make up does not change.

We are moving into an area via technology that we can essentially change everything about ourselves.  CRISPR is one thing that is a tad frightening.

[Hudson Jones]

On 9/4/2017 at 9:56 AM, Argus said:

Laudable, but I note they're partly responsible for the fighting in Afghanistan, stirring the pot and helping the insurgents, and that none of the Afghans are permitted to apply for citizenship. That is what were't talking about, remember. All those Palestinians sitting in refugee camps, born in Syria or Jordan or Egypt and never permitted to apply for citizenship. All the Jews driven out of Arab lands were embraced by Israel and became citizens. Refugees from around the world come to Canada and become citizens. 

If the Palestinian refugees receive citizenship in the countries, then they fully give up their right of return to their homes. This is the reason (rightly or wrongly) given by the Arab league for not giving Palestinian refugees citizenship in the countries. Instead, they receive a special travel document and are eligible for all programs and incentives a regular citizen would receive.

[Rue]

12 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

If the Palestinian refugees receive citizenship in the countries, then they fully give up their right of return to their homes. This is the reason (rightly or wrongly) given by the Arab league for not giving Palestinian refugees citizenship in the countries. Instead, they receive a special travel document and are eligible for all programs and incentives a regular citizen would receive.

1. "Return to their homes" is a code reference. Let's be clear what it actually means when "Hudson Jones" uses it. . It means, any MUSLIM of the Middle East who self-identifies as a "Palestinian" has the right to enter Israel and automatically be given citizenship and land title.  That's what it means. Its a code word used by Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Iranian government Al Quaeda, PFLP, and all terror cells for taking back what is now the Jewish state of Israel and making it a majority sharia law Muslim state for these self-identified so called Palestinians. 

2. In fact the majority of these so called "Palestinians" are descended from Muslim Arabs who moved to the West Bank or Gaza and displaced actual Muslim, Christian and Jewish Palestinians.

3. It also includes people born outside Israel on the West Bank, in Gaza, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, in refugee camps.

4. Hudson Jones lies as usual. Arab League nations WILL NO AND DO NOT give citizenship to Palestinians. So his statement, "if the Palestinian refugees receuive citizenship in the countries," is a lie. It never happens because its not allowed to happen and its precisely why these people are placed by these nations in so called refugee camps.  They are pawns They are a tool, a prop, used by the Arab League as an argument to state, there should be no Jewish state, only a Muslim state where Israel is, and these people should be its citizens.

5. Of course the Arab League states will not give them citizenship, they state so repeatedly out loud. They state if they did that, had they and if they were to take in so called Palestinians, there would no longer be people to argue have to be forcefully moved to where Israel is.

6. Palestinians had the right of return to Jordan. Jordan was created illegally out of 90% of the land promised for a Jewish state and unilaterally turned into a Palestinian state called Jordan. Jordan has always been a Palestinian state and up until 1967 allowed full right of return to Jordan and citizenship. It was Yasir Arafat who declared if he could not run Jordan as his own country he would not recognize it as a Palestinian state. It was only after Arafat failed to kill King Hussein of Jordan in the Black Sabbath uprising and force Jordan under his rule, he then and only then in 1967 invented the word Palestinian. Until then all Palestinian leaders ridiculed the word Palestinian or the notion of a Palestinian state.

7. The people who live in the West Bank and Gaza were offered over 8 times their second Palestinian state in return for stopping terror attacks on Israel and recognizing Israel as a Jewish state,  To this day Hamas. Hezbollah, the PA and over 300 other Palestinian terror cells are in a state of war against Israel as is Lebanon, Syria and technically all members of the Arab League except Jordan and Egypt and even Morrocco whose King has always been amicable with Jews in his own country and in Israel never removed the declaration of war when the Arab League had his country go to war against Israel in 1948.

8. The Arab League and no one in any Arab country even Jordan and Egypt will recognize Israel's right to be a Jewish state.

9. The bullshit semantics that comes out of the PA is they will recognize an Israeli state, but not a Jewish Israeli state, and they will only recognize a state in Israel if any Muslim not a Jew, not a Christian, but any Muslim who calls himself a Palestinian is allowed to "return to Israel.

10. When Palestinians as they call themselves say "return home" they engage in an out and out lie as does Hudson Jones and its part of their fantasy world when discussing Israel. Its impossible for them to return home, when they were never there and Israel was never their home. In fact they were born outside Israel and their homes were never in Israel. Those are the people Hudson Jones pretends are returning to homes in Israel.

11. No other people in the world who claim they were disposed by war, and forced to move elsewhere and have offspring born outside their parent's country are defined as refugees. Only Palestinians in the entire world call themselves refugees when they are born outside Israel. All other refugees of the world do not have this right.

12. Palestinians born outside Israel are not refugees from Israel. They never left Israel. It is possible their parents may have left Israel but not them.

13. The script where Hudson Jones will discuss the alleged need for Palestinians to return home, is a code word for taking back Israel and making it Muslim. If only the actual displaced Muslims now were to go back home it would be perhaps around 250,000 as most have now died. The millions now added as Palestinians are in fact born outside Israel and were not born in Israel and most are descended from non Palestinian Muslims who moved to the West Bank and Gaza.

14. This bullshit script ignores that 900,000 Jews were expelled from the Arab League nations of whom 750,000, more than the total no. of alleged displaced Palestinians had no choice but to flee to Israel. In the fantasy script where so called Palestinian refugees never born in Israel move into Israel and return somewhere they never lived in, they are supposed to displace and take away land from those Jews born in Israel or who are part of these 750,000 displaced Jews and their families failing to recognize their rights.

15. The actual script of fantasy would also have self identified Palestinians displacing Arab and Muslim and Druze and Beduin and Bahaii and Christian Israelis not just Jewish Israelis.

16.The supposed return to Israel ignores that Palestinians were offered a Jordanian citizenship and chose to reject it. Jordan offered as part of a comprehensive settlement to take in supposed Palestinians even after 1967 and were told by Arafat they would never accept Jordan or Israel as states and would never stop fighting until all of Israel and Jordan as well as Gaza, the West Bank and even parts of Syria and Lebanon  are ceded to a Palestinian state which is a Muslim state and states in its constitution that to achieve this state a holy war against all Jews on the planet earth not just Israelis must be engaged in.

17. This fantasy script deals with constitutions in the PA and Hamas and Hezbollah, and the other terror cells that call on wiping out Jews world-wide and seizing all Christian lands and churches as well.

I would expect Hudson Jones given his agenda to come on this forum and spew out the canned script and coded reference to taking back Israel. Its part of the same crap you read about "recognizing Israel" but you will never see the name "Jones", "Kactus", etc., ever state they recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state.  They only will recognize it if its a Muslim state and they are too cowardly to come on this board and state that so instead, the code references.

Look at how Kactus ran from me when I asked him to state just once, he recognizes the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. Now we have this alleged "Hudson Jones"  who came on this forum and said Zionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out using code references for "return to Israel".

Anyone think Hudson Jones believes Israel has the right to be a Jewish state. Yah right.  Return my ass. Have him tell you his fantasy story about how one returns somewhere they never have been at.  Oh but you see when it comes to the script,  we suspend actual reality and rewrite history to suit justifying the refusal to ignore a sovereign state  and couch references to reinvading it.

Another day another recycled take back Israel script from a jihadi arm chair warrior who wouldn't know the difference between a Palestinian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraq, Israeli, Iranian if one bit him in his ass.

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[Goddess]

31 minutes ago, Rue said:

"Return to their homes" is a code reference. Let's be clear what it actually means when "Hudson Jones" uses it. . It means, any MUSLIM of the Middle East who self-identifies as a "Palestinian" has the right to enter Israel and automatically be given citizenship and land title.  That's what it means. Its a code word used by Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Iranian government Al Quaeda, PFLP, and all terror cells for taking back what is now the Jewish state of Israel and making it a majority sharia law Muslim state for these self-identified so called Palestinians. 

I wondered about this because there was a Pro-Palestinian rally where I was (it turned a bit ugly as it was really more of an Anti-Israel rally), and one of the girls from college went to it.  I asked her and she said she was "Palestinian".  I asked if she was born there and she said No.  Were your parents born there?  Again, No.  Was her family originally from there?  Again, No.  So I asked how she considered herself Palestinian and she said it was because she was Muslim.  I know the concept of Ummah - my people, right or wrong - is strong in Islam, so I sort of just chalked it up to that.  But it seemed strange to me.  I couldn't understand why she was "Palestinian" when there was clearly no ties to it.  And I didn't want to pepper her with questions and make her mad.

 

[Argus]

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 3:46 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I start with the proposition that everyone is 'racist'. We do a better job than most at overcoming our natural tendencies, and Canada is less racist than most countries. 

There's a clear as day difference between us and the Israelis, though. We don't live in a Christian state. We don't have a West Bank where everything you can do is determined by your tribal identity. Israel May Beverly less racist and bigoted than the countries around it but it is very different from Canada. 

Yeah, well, it was set up as a refuge for a given religion who others had tried to exterminate a few years earlier.

What's Saudi Arabia's excuse for being a religious state? A much more severe one, by the way? What's Iran's excuse? Or Sudan's?

The West Bank issue is a product of war and a refusal for decades of the other parties to agree to sign a peace treaty. And tribal attitudes tend to harden after sixty years of war.

[Hudson Jones]

I love the quotation for "Palestinians" and all of this b.s. about Palestinians never having existed. That it's all a hoax.

Holy fuck.

This is coming from people who explode into a narcissistic rage with a sense of entitlement when Israel's policies and occupation is questioned and criticized  and then somehow interpreted into "YOU ARE AGAINST AN ISRAELI STATE! YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!! OMG!!! HOW DARE YOU?!".

A state that already exists, which is populated by a majority of people who never had any tie to that land. Then to top it off, these constant whiners fight tooth and nail against the formation of a Palestinians state.

What kind of a bizarre argument are you people wanting to make? How can you demand to be taken seriously?

Edited September 6, 2017 by Hudson Jones

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, Argus said:

Yeah, well, it was set up as a refuge for a given religion who others had tried to exterminate a few years earlier.

What's Saudi Arabia's excuse for being a religious state? A much more severe one, by the way? What's Iran's excuse? Or Sudan's?

The West Bank issue is a product of war and a refusal for decades of the other parties to agree to sign a peace treaty. And tribal attitudes tend to harden after sixty years of war.

You'll have to ask them. I'm no friend of their regimes. There is a reason Saudi threads are short and rare - witnesses for the defence are hard to find. 

Tribal attitudes do harden but the blame goes both ways. Both sides want the land and the border is heading one way now. 

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Hudson Jones said:

....What kind of a bizarre argument are you people wanting to make? How can you demand to be taken seriously?

 

Such an "argument" certainly worked in Canada and the USA....so why can't Israel do the same ?

[hot enough]

52 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Such an "argument" certainly worked in Canada and the USA....so why can't Israel do the same ?

Some people have advanced in their thinking, they have learned a thing or two from what the Nazis/the USA have done. They aren't folks who swell with pride when their governments plan and carry out genocides.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Some people have advanced in their thinking, they have learned a thing or two from what the Nazis/the USA have done. They aren't folks who swell with pride when their governments plan and carry out genocides.

 

So ?   Israel will act in self interest, just as Canada has done for 150 years, long before "Nazis" ever existed.  

Did the Japanese internment camps in Canada have cable TV ?

[hot enough]

50 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So ?  

I didn't expect that you would say anything different than what a person who brags about loving and enthusiastically embracing genocides, war crimes, terrorism, ... would say.