Google Memo Guy

[Michael Hardner]

If they wanted to have open dialogue then what is 'open' ?

I assume that this engineer wasn't so stupid as to flout rules, or wanted to be fired.

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I have heard it described as an email or memo.  If that's the case Google has set up a fakery... Ie. A forum that is not really a forum.  Seems pretty stupid that they would not anticipate this event.

The problem wasn't that he said it. The problem was someone copied it and then put it out to the broader world in order to incite anger against google - and him, of course - and google did what all soulless monolithic corporate entities do, they fired the guy who embarrassed them and said soothing words.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Argus

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We have seen how governments who don't allow criticism end up.

The US has done for well and they stifle speech as well as any dictator. Look at how few people know of USA evil. On September 12th, free speech became verboten, hence the incredible silence. And the lies. 

[Altai]

10 hours ago, Omni said:

Like Turkey who jails more journalist than any other country. So much for that freedom of speech idea.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-06-28/turkey-jails-more-journalists-any-other-nation-those-detention-are-all-terrorists

During the World War, soldiers from British colonies such as Australia, New Zaeland, India were also thinking that Turks are eating humans alive and they were killing themselves not to be held captive by Turkish soldiers. This is what false-propaganda does to a human being. 

[Omni]

So you are happy to believe none of those journalists were locked up. You're a fan of a dictator.Too bad for you. 

[Moonlight Graham]

Google fired him for PR reasons mostly I believe.  The employee's words were controversial but he has a pretty good case now that he's planning to bring google to court over the firing.

[August1991]

 

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Google CEO Sundar Pichai is hosting a companywide town hall meeting Thursday to discuss a controversial memo about Google’s diversity practices that led to the firing of its author, James Damore....

“The doc asserted that Google has a lower bar for diversity candidates,” reads one question ranked highly by employees in an internal voting system. “This is hurting minority Googlers because it creates the perception that they are less qualified. What can we do to combat that perception?”

Google cancelled the planned town hall meeting shortly before it was to begin. In an internal email, Google CEO Sundar Pichai said he cancelled the meeting because the questions "appeared externally" and "on some websites Googlers are now being named personally."

https://www.wired.com/story/googles-ceo-must-answer-these-questions-about-that-memo/

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Make no mistake: this is both an internal Organisation Signalling/external Public Signalling disaster for Google.

Edited August 11, 2017 by August1991

[August1991]

On 8/9/2017 at 9:01 AM, Michael Hardner said:

The two most prevalent fallacies about this incident:

1. Freedom of speech means employees are free to send emails that are circulated throughout the company, and the public, disagreeing with company policy.

2. This individual was against diversity.  ( He says right in the email that he supports it.)

On the contrary, Michael, you make two false, MSM, "fake news" points.

1. This Googler attended a "diversity" session in early July 2017,  disagreed/wondered about what he heard, and wrote this "screed" while on a flight to China. Then,  because he was curious and wondered whether he was wrong, he showed his ideas later in July to the diversity presenters.

2. Without reaction from the diversity people, he posted  his "screed" on an internal Google forum - which asked specifically for contrarian comments.

3. Only then, some 3 or 4 weeks later, when it was leaked publicly - did anyone in Google Upper Management take notice. 

Edited August 11, 2017 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

Read his note.  He States support for diversity.

None of the rest of what you wrote is material.  It went public.  So?  

[August1991]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Read his note.  He States support for diversity.

None of the rest of what you wrote is material.  It went public.  So?  

Pichai (Google CEO) cancelled the meeting - days ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16128518/google-town-hall-meeting-canceled-online-harassment

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IMHO, we are miles from Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Brendan Eich.

Edited August 13, 2017 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

Why ?  Because you don't share the morals of the innovators under discussion?

[Altai]

On 09.08.2017 at 11:23 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I don't think so.  If the environments were the same then it would be.

We have seen how governments who don't allow criticism end up.

Info 1: We support "free speech" because we think that "free speech" leads people to critize somethings and therefore improve the jobs. It leads to face with mistakes. 
Info 2: Many people who support "free speech" against other people or state, does not allow it in their private environments.

Why ? ;

Logical result 1: They dont think that they need to be critized, they are open to be critized publicly but they dont want to be disturbed in their private environment. 
Logical result 2:  They are against to be critized all the time and anywhere but they want to critize others. So they are hypocrites.


Is it OK now ?

[blackbird]

On 8/9/2017 at 4:40 PM, Argus said:

In fact, the memo was on an employee discussion forum meant for the exchange of ideas about Google's workplace and policies.

The Rebel Media, which uses youtube for it's video distribution, is concerned about being dumped and is working toward creating their own video distribution venue.  It will be very expensive and they welcome any donations to help with this.  Expected to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe more.  Just wondering how much is dumped out of youtube by Google who owns youtube.  Anyone who opposes the liberal or left ideology should consider supporting The Rebel Media.  They are one of the few media opposition voices in Canada.   They had a program on a satellite TV channel several years ago but it was terminated for some reason.  Then they moved to the internet and have been using Youtube to a large extent.  They are quite organized with a number of reporters with their own video reports.

Edited August 14, 2017 by blackbird

[dialamah]

Google algorithim biased against liberals. 

Rightwing sites promoted by Google search algorithms.

I doubt Rebel has anything to worry about.  They just want your money.