Compensating Khadr

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

They cease to be children when mom sends them to terrorist camp.

You sure are ignorant about a lot of things, aren't you, Hal?

How come no comments about your favorite war criminals/terrorists and their handiwork?

Edited July 9, 2017 by hot enough

[Hal 9000]

7 minutes ago, jacee said:

Don't answer personal questions.

You don't know who this is, and it's suspicious that he's asking.

I was asking so that i could set him up for a joke.  I hope your suspicion is eased.

[jacee]

2 minutes ago, capricorn said:

So sue me.

I leave these things to karma.

We have child soldiers in Canada, who were forced to do pretty heinous things. They were rescued and treated, not prosecuted, and came here as refugees.

But a Canadian child forced into being a child soldier ... we let him rot in Gitmo for 10 years and be prosecuted ... the ONLY CHILD SOLDIER IN THE WORLD TO EVER BE CONVICTED.

 Shameful.

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

They cease to be children when mom sends them to terrorist camp.

Quite.  Here's a kid that ceased to be a kid a few seconds after the photo was taken.

 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/09/female-suicide-bomber-pictured-holding-baby-moments-before-detonating-bomb-6765378/

Edited July 9, 2017 by bcsapper

[Rue]

 

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

We agree on some issues, yes.  

Religion - it's a very divisive subject (since not everyone adhere to the same doctrine), so it's understandable that we won't see eye to eye in some of those hot issues.

Thanks.

 

[jacee]

4 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

They cease to be children when mom sends them to terrorist camp.

They are child soldiers, not responsible for their actions because they have no free choice.

[Hal 9000]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You sure are ignorant about a lot of things, aren't you, Hal?

How come no comments about your favorite war criminals/terrorists and their handiwork?

Because, unlike you, I'm not crazy.  I've answered all questions, If there is something you're still not understanding - feel free to ask

[jacee]

3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

I was asking so that i could set him up for a joke.  I hope your suspicion is eased.

No. I know you are not sincere.

Edited July 9, 2017 by jacee

[betsy]

39 minutes ago, Omni said:

International Law OPAC 2000 says with regard to child soldiers the age is 18. That's a start.

Boy - your start is a dud. You're wrong about that, as proven:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter39_rule136

 

 

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And the OMG, he MAY have called a female guard a bitch. Yippity doo dah day. That really makes him a terrorist doesn't it.

Another dud. 

Levant didn't say, he "MAY have."  He said, he called the black guard "bitch," (because she's female). He also called the black female guard, a "slave."  video timer - 1:20   Nice try, Omni.

 

Now you know why I wanted you to be specific.  I knew, chances are.....you'd be wrong.

 

Note; the emoticon crap - particularly the laughing ones - obviously, aren't for you. 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy

[Hal 9000]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

They are child soldiers, not responsible for their actions because they have no free choice.

At 15, nearly 16 people make their own choices.  He chose to toss a grenade.  

[jacee]

50 minutes ago, betsy said:

Well.....if he's an abused child - as you and a lot of people want to think - he spent most of his youth in torture FROM HIS OWN PARENTS!

Why wasn't the CAS involved early on  when it came to light that the Khadr kids were being raised as "soldiers?"  One of his siblins even said that he was groomed to be a suicide-bomber. A lot of couples have had their children taken away from them for lesser reasons.  Kids have been taken from drug addict parents  - and yet the Khadr kids were left with terrorist parents, who gave them IEDs for toys.

None of that came to light until after Omar was captured. 

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

At 15, nearly 16 people make their own choices.  He chose to toss a grenade.  

What kind of brainwashed person would repeat lies told by well known liars, people who operate death camps, torture chambers around the world?

[betsy]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

They are child soldiers, not responsible for their actions because they have no free choice.

NGGGGYYYYYERK  (that's the buzzer sound for EPIC WRONG!)

 

That's the narrative that the Liberals want to spread around. 

But, the evidence shows that he isn't a child soldier. He's already 15 (almost 16, according to Levant).

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, betsy said:

Boy - your start is a dud. You're wrong about that, as proven:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter39_rule136

 

 

Another dud. 

Levant didn't say, he "MAY have."  He said, he called the black guard "bitch," (because she's female). He also called the black female guard, a "slave."  video timer - 1:20   Nice try, Omni.

 

Now you know why I wanted you to be specific.  I knew, chances are.....you'd be wrong.

 

Note; the emoticon crap - particularly the laughing ones - obviously, aren't for you. 

 

All you've said so far is you the kind of bullshit that Levant puts out. Without a shred of any evidence. He's a right wing loony. Who listens toa right wing loony?

[betsy]

4 minutes ago, Omni said:

All you've said so far is you the kind of bullshit that Levant puts out. Without a shred of any evidence. He's a right wing loony. Who listens toa right wing loony?

Wrong!

I pointed out - and had proven - you're wrong!  What's the article 38, if not evidence?

You were trying to discredit Levant, but it's you who's wrong. 

Levant may be right wing and emotional, but he ain't looney.  And most importantly,  he isn't a liar!

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy

[Hal 9000]

4 minutes ago, jacee said:

None of that came to light until after Omar was captured. 

But they did know that Dad was a terrorist - didn't they?  Because you're so in tune with children, I have to ask, If you knew dad was a terrorist, would you consider that a safe environment for children to be raised?

[betsy]

Just now, Hal 9000 said:

But they did know that Dad was a terrorist - didn't they?

All the way back since the time of Chretien!

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

But they did know that Dad was a terrorist - didn't they?  Because you're so in tune with children, I have to ask, If you knew dad was a terrorist, would you consider that a safe environment for children to be raised?

You are missing that the US invaders are the terrorists, the war criminals, Hal. 

[Rue]

34 minutes ago, jacee said:

I leave these things to karma.

We have child soldiers in Canada, who were forced to do pretty heinous things. They were rescued and treated, not prosecuted, and came here as refugees.

But a Canadian child forced into being a child soldier ... we let him rot in Gitmo for 10 years and be prosecuted ... the ONLY CHILD SOLDIER IN THE WORLD TO EVER BE CONVICTED.

 Shameful.

 

Jacee there is a difference between a child soldier and a child terrorist. This is not the thread to discuss that but may I kindly suggest to you there is a very big difference.

Also Kadr was never a soldier. For you to call him a soldier is absolutely incorrect and it shows you equate soldiers as terrorists. I expect that from Hot Enough but you are not like that.

Guauntanamo Bay and the tribunal process the US created was legally defective. It violated basic constitutional rights in the US Constitution and our Charter of Rights for the exact same reasons. Yes.

He did not rot in Guantanamo Bay. The conditions in that prison were not inhumane. They  did use sleep deprivation on him. Yes. Sleep deprivation. No other forms of "inhumane treatment". He was given 3 meals a day, allowed to pray 5 times a day and wash before each prayer session. He had access to high school education materials an teaching. His food was nutrionalll balanced. He had better medical care than many Canadians. He had clean clothes and lived in a facility that was cleaned continuously.

Your depiction of him rotting is a crock.

How is it shameful to incarcerate a dangerous person?

If you have a problem with how long he stayed in G Bay call up Jean Chretiens who chose to leave him there rather than repatriate him.

As a lawyer I must agree with you that his legal rights were violated and its not acceptable that the legal system he was placed in violated his constitutional rights. I think though with due respect that is a separate issue than the AMOUNT he is entitled to, to recognize those violations.

He did not rot. This depiction of him being tortured is crap. Sleep deprivation is inhumane but on the scale of 1-10 its a 2.

The fact is he was saved with heroic measures by the US marines and his treatment in G Bay was far above the standards he lived in with Al Quaeda.

15 year olds like him don't act in a vacuum where they are simply "brain washed" and do what ever they are told.

What is shameful is the inability of the UN to get its nations to create an international treaty to deal with terrorists.

What is shameful is your inability to differentiate what he did from a soldier, a child soldier, and for that matter the children and adults he was killing and brutalizing.

What is shameful is you focusing in on Kadr without considering the implications of allowing him to profit from what he did.

What is shameful is by taking money he is violating Muslim law, the very law he claims he is devout and follows.

What is shameful is Trudeau lying and allowing a fake leaked report to foil and prejudice an on-going legal issue with the widow and children and maimed soldier trying o sue Kadr.

What is shameful is you placing him on the same moral plane as victims of terrorism, soldiers and the widow and children of the man he killed.

You are right his legal rights were violated.

I am wrong calling him a scum although I think he is.

Your are right he was entitled to legal release..

With due respect your belief he is entitled to money is complex.

I respect your opinions and the humanitarian feelings you have behind them.

With due respect I think they are misplaced.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Rue

[betsy]

9 minutes ago, jacee said:

None of that came to light until after Omar was captured. 

CHRETIEN - Prime Minister at the time - INTERCEDED FOR HIS DAD WHO WAS CAPTURED! 

Golly.  You should read the OP!  The history of the Khadrs are detailed by a news article.

Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy

[jacee]

52 minutes ago, betsy said:

I'll quote Rue's post about Chretien. 

 

Boy, that's the time of Chretien!  How old was Omar then?  Wasn't that red flag enough that the Khadr kids were with dangerous parents?  Is there a different set of rules for people like Khadr, that the CAS cannot meddle with?

They were not here by then.

[Hal 9000]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What kind of brainwashed person would repeat lies told by well known liars, people who operate death camps, torture chambers around the world?

Would you cut it out please?  Good grief this is tiring...I refreshed my page to read your drivel.  

[capricorn]

18 minutes ago, jacee said:

But a Canadian child forced into being a child soldier ... we let him rot in Gitmo for 10 years and be prosecuted

Oh, spare the tears...sniff...pass the kleenex...As far as I'm concerned Omar Khadr could rot in prison for another 10 years. Nothing is too good for our resident convicted killer jihadist.

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

Wrong!

I pointed out - and had proven - you're wrong! 

 

You were trying to discredit Levant, but it's you who's wrong.

 

Well it's easy to discredit Levant, we all know that. You are trying to split hairs over the 15/18 year age, but that's all fluff. Go look up the case of Hamdan v Rumsfeld and you will see, hopefully, why the Gitmo kangaroo court conviction of Khadr was illegal.

[Army Guy]

On 7/8/2017 at 2:28 AM, Omni said:

You can hyperventilate and hurl all the insults you like. The courts have to interpret and apply the law and are therefore held to a much higher standard. I'm not a fan of Khadir but I how the courts applied the law. Perhaps this should be a lesson to the US with regard to setting up illegal operations like Gitmo.

Yes because, any violation of human rights, regardless of what they are.... takes precedence over any other laws on our books...That is the message of all of this....a message received load and clear across the country.......Not to mention the failure of our entire system, be it our justice system, that should have charge Omar with all the rest of laws he broke....They instead concentrated on his Human rights, and the fact he was a Child soldier, totally forgetting or forgiving his other possible criminal charges he committed.....Not to mention the same charges his other family members committed....