Compensating Khadr

[Argus]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The problem with ignore is that people can still see your posts and reply to them.

Eg, I bet that I can say whatever I want here and you won't know hehe.

ARGUS LOVES BRETT KAVANUGH! HE HAS A POSTER IN HIS ROOM!!!!!!!

If I don't see it, then it doesn't exist. Do you think I'm worried that my "reputation" is being harmed by some anonymous gomer spitting nonsense into the internet without my replying to point out how dumb he is?

I'm anonymous too, after all.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your 100% right Dougie….DND and RCMP, CSIS,  swear allegiance to the Queen or whom ever is seating in that seat at the time...Thats Canadian law, done for several reasons, one is to prevent the PM in deploying those dept's in any illegal operations....She the Queen is represented by the Governor General as a figure head, and a safety factor to reign in our nations military authority  from being abused....That being said through out our history when has a GG over ridden the any  elected PM...

I'm pretty sure the Queen can fire a GG any time she wants to, and take responsibility for dissolving parliament on herself.

[Argus]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Most of the people here are decent. Don’t let the others get you down.

I am actually fairly indecent much of the time. And proud of it.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

I am actually fairly indecent much of the time. And proud of it.

Are you posting in your underwear again? 

[Argus]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you posting in your underwear again? 

I rarely wear pants. They're too restrictive.

[eyeball]

On 1/8/2019 at 7:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

I say we just stay out. We have plenty to deal with here. 

Good luck with that. 

Its good to occasionally corner you people into admitting the real cause of the problem.  Obama gave it a shot when;  “He told you that 9/11 led my country to abandon its ideals, particularly in the Middle East,” he said at the American University in Cairo. “He told you that the United States and the Muslim world needed ‘a new beginning.’ The results of these misjudgments have been dire.”

And today the Trump administration declared that “the age of self-inflicted American shame is over.”

Like I said, good luck with that.

 

And 9/11 btw was simply an effect.

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

On 1/10/2019 at 10:50 AM, eyeball said:

Good luck with that. 

Its good to occasionally corner you people into admitting the real cause of the problem.  Obama gave it a shot when;  “He told you that 9/11 led my country to abandon its ideals, particularly in the Middle East,” he said at the American University in Cairo. “He told you that the United States and the Muslim world needed ‘a new beginning.’ The results of these misjudgments have been dire.”

And today the Trump administration declared that “the age of self-inflicted American shame is over.”

Like I said, good luck with that.

 

And 9/11 btw was simply an effect.

 

You never cornered anyone into admitting anything, get over yourself.

I'm sick of hearing islam apologists bitching about our assistance. I say we leave them alone to dehumanize that entire region. The Taliban can stop women from going to school, and then they can have their women tended to by female doctors by going all the way to another country I guess. There's no cure for stupidity.

 

Saying "9/11 was an effect" is just a cheeky way of justifying a terrorist attack. You're just as bad as Monty. Typical Trudeau supporter.

 

As long as you keep justifying attacks you're just a biased hater, far worse than anyone that you yourself despise. 

 

Anyone can go back in history to justify anything. You just choose your "justification start date" and you're good to go.

Does justification go back to Mohammed's violent religious bigotry which got him exiled from Mecca by his fellow Allah-worshippers? Does it go back to the Banu Qurayza massacre? Does it go back to the 400 years of Muslim attacks all across southern and middle Europe to steal loot, take slaves, and force-convert people to islam? The Barbary Pirates? The Armenian Genocide in 1915? Pakistan in the 40's? Bangladesh in the '70's? Isis in this decade? Tens of Millions of Hindus beheaded or forced to convert in India through centuries of unprovoked attacks? 

Nope the starting date is 1949 in Israel, right eyeball? WE CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO MUSLIMS, AND THE OFFICIAL STARTING DATE FOR EVERY CONVERSATION ABOUT MUSLIM CONFLICTS IS 1949! OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO BE KILLED!!!!!!! ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!!! Am I right?

 

I'm pretty sure that you wake every morning and look for new and better ways to JUSTIFY your hatred, and you are immunized against facts by your shocking overabundance of ignorance. 

It's actually a waste of time to corner people like you and try to get you to admit how stupid every single one of your arguments is because you'll just scream "racist" and then you'll follow that up with inaccurate and extremely-bigoted comments of your own.

Accusations and lies are your go-to in debates, and you'll cherry pick some actual facts and take them out of context to justify more of your hatred. You're a sick person, and a Trudeau supporter. 

"Give me your naive, your intentionally ignorant, and your dumbest voters! I'll buy off Quebecers and the msm for whatever other votes I need!" - Justin Trudeau.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Saying "9/11 was an effect" is just a cheeky way of justifying a terrorist attack. You're just as bad as Monty. Typical Trudeau supporter.

 

As long as you keep justifying attacks you're just a biased hater, far worse than anyone that you yourself despise. 

 

Particularly when 9-11 wasn't revenge for "bombing Muslims",  it was revenge for propping the ultra Muslim House of Saud up, because AQ wanted to overthrow said absolute  monarchy so they could have an absolute monarchy of their  own.

In terms of the vast, vast majority of Sunni Muslims, America has rained wealth down upon them and protected them from the Soviets with thermonuclear weapons.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Particularly when 9-11 wasn't revenge for "bombing Muslims",  it was revenge for propping the ultra Muslim House of Saud up, because AQ wanted to overthrow said absolute  monarchy so they could have an absolute monarchy of their  own.

In terms of the vast, vast majority of Sunni Muslims, America has rained wealth down upon them and protected them from the Soviets with thermonuclear weapons.

Sounds like you know more about it than I do. 

My own personal understanding was that the Americans deal with the Saudis, ie they let them basically set the tone for the middle east, and in exchange the Saudis don't promote war with Israel.

I also think that different European countries have their own "friends" down there, like France and Iraq iirc, but I don't know who all the little "partnerships" are. 

It's super-hard to keep up to date with it all. Especially in an age where the media outright lies to us all the time. 

 

Last I heard new alliances are forming in the whole Levant war. Correct if I'm wrong but initially:

Syria and Putin were allies fighting against ISIS as well as Syrian "freedom fighters" propped up by the US?

In Obama's day America's stated goal was to help their freedom fighters overthrow Assad but the goal was switched to "just killing ISIS" partway into Trump's presidency?

Islamic State is using a ton of American weapons that were left behind when Obama suddenly pulled the Americans out of Iraq: SAMs, tanks, artillery, mortars, etc?

Iraq was and still is fighting Islamic State.

Turkey still has troops fighting ISIS and they also arm Syrian "freedom fighters" to fight ISIS as well, but their fighters never had the goal of overthrowing Assad. They are vowing to fight the Kurds (because they view the YPG as terrorists) when the fight against ISIS is done, but America is trying to convince them not to?

The Kurdish YPG are fighting Islamic State with American and Canadian support. The US is only doing aerial bombing and training troops, while Canada is no longer bombing since Trudeau was elected. 

The Kurds liberated and held Iraqi territory and then when the Iraqis threatened to attack to take it back the Kurds just moved out?

Is that the bulk f what's theoretically happening over there according to our news sources?

 

From what I know that's what was happening, but I heard there are new alliances and that the war is changing now. If I had it right to begin with, I've lost track of it all now. 

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Sounds like you know more about it than I do. 

My own personal understanding was that the Americans deal with the Saudis, ie they let them basically set the tone for the middle east, and in exchange the Saudis don't promote war with Israel.

I also think that different European countries have their own "friends" down there, like France and Iraq iirc, but I don't know who all the little "partnerships" are. 

It's super-hard to keep up to date with it all. Especially in an age where the media outright lies to us all the time. 

 

Last I heard new alliances are forming in the whole Levant war. Correct if I'm wrong but initially:

Syria and Putin were allies fighting against ISIS as well as Syrian "freedom fighters" propped up by the US?

In Obama's day America's stated goal was to help their freedom fighters overthrow Assad but the goal was switched to "just killing ISIS" partway into Trump's presidency?

Islamic State is using a ton of American weapons that were left behind when Obama suddenly pulled the Americans out of Iraq: SAMs, tanks, artillery, mortars, etc?

Iraq was and still is fighting Islamic State.

Turkey still has troops fighting ISIS and they also arm Syrian "freedom fighters" to fight ISIS as well, but their fighters never had the goal of overthrowing Assad. They are vowing to fight the Kurds (because they view the YPG as terrorists) when the fight against ISIS is done, but America is trying to convince them not to?

The Kurdish YPG are fighting Islamic State with American and Canadian support. The US is only doing aerial bombing and training troops, while Canada is no longer bombing since Trudeau was elected. 

The Kurds liberated and held Iraqi territory and then when the Iraqis threatened to attack to take it back the Kurds just moved out?

Is that the bulk f what's theoretically happening over there according to our news sources?

From what I know that's what was happening, but I heard there are new alliances and that the war is changing now. If I had it right to begin with, I've lost track of it all now.

Realpolitik; The American Hegenomy simply props the House of Saud up as the least worst option, because it's not actually run by them, it's run by the Clerics and the House of Saud fear them, which is why the House of Saud has to be so strict, it's not MBS who wants to be quite so strict, but he as to be careful, cause the Cleric demand it be pretty damn strict, and if the House of Saud falls,  those Clerics will rule directly in their place, at which point the Islamic State will actually have a country, and with all that oil, a shee-it load of money.

 

In terms of Syria that's mostly right, close enough, except Turkey is not fighting the Islamic State,  the Islamic State has protected bastions inside Turkey, Turkey is only fighting the Kurds, and that's why they are protecting IS, because Turkey is using IS as a proxy against the Kurds.

 

[Dougie93]

To the point where the Kurds are actually seeking the protection of their other arch nemesis Putin and Damascus, because that is better than falling into the hands of IS.

Basically Putin and Assad are winning, slowly but surely, simply by waiting it out and then being the only force that can assert any sort of control in the power vacuum incited by Obama.

[DogOnPorch]

37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

To the point where the Kurds are actually seeking the protection of their other arch nemesis Putin and Damascus, because that is better than falling into the hands of IS.

Basically Putin and Assad are winning, slowly but surely, simply by waiting it out and then being the only force that can assert any sort of control in the power vacuum incited by Obama.

 

Assad (plus Dad of Assad) and the Russians = Status Quo

That's how it has been since the 1940s.

[Dougie93]

Indeed, and it is folly to try to overthrow this status quo, not as a morality play, but because the status quo ante is actually called the Balance of Terror and destabilizing it leads to the breach and the brink of world war three.  

In the end, I'll take the morality of avoiding a countervalue strategic thermonuclear exchange over the morality of going social justice warrioring to free the Arabs from themselves.

[DogOnPorch]

Russia's going to fight for the Port of Tartus...fight whomever. 

[Dougie93]

Indeed, because the only Russian port which remains ice free is Sevastopol, but that only gives them access to the Black Sea.

In order to keep NATO at bay, Russia cannot allow itself to be completely boxed into the Black Sea.  They need to have one foot on either side of the Bosporus in order to retain their freedom of action on their southern flank.

Syria is the foot on the far side of the Bosporus.

To try to take this from them is the definition of picking a fight with Russia which would escalate and counter escalate until is spins out of control and goes global over the Pole.

[Dougie93]

I mean, if anything, for our own existential safety, we should be helping the Russians retain their end of the Balance of Terror, because the whole point of MAD, or mutual vulnerability as is the term of art, is to achieve a stable paradigm and then don't mess with it.

The American Neoconservatives however, being born of the Cold Warrior Reagan Democrats, do not believe in mutual vulnerability, because they don't have faith that it is going to work.

Rather, it is more likely that a conflagration is inevitable at some point, and when it comes, America will have no choice, with backs against the wall, but to come out swinging.

Ergo; America better be getting ready to fight and win a nuclear war lest the Union perish from this earth, and be damned with the peace hippies screetching "you can't win a nuclear war!"

Unfortunately, the Neoconservatives are right, a nuclear war is inevitable, because America will never accept mutual vulnerability, because MAD is defeatist and American Ingenuity will not accept defeat, in the face of Kobayashi Maru, America is Captain Kirk and so they will keep trying to solve the problem by technological innovation.

This then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy as the Russians and Chinese counter escalate in the face of it, until somebody sometime is gonna make a mistake.

But, you know, no need to rush things, creeping towards a thermonuclear exchange is still better than charging headlong into one.n

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I mean, if anything, for our own existential safety, we should be helping the Russians retain their end of the Balance of Terror, because the whole point of MAD, or mutual vulnerability as is the term of art, is to achieve a stable paradigm and then don't mess with it.

The American Neoconservatives however, being born of the Cold Warrior Reagan Democrats, do not believe in mutual vulnerability, because they don't have faith that it is going to work.

Rather, it is more likely that a conflagration is inevitable at some point, and when it comes, America will have no choice, with backs against the wall, but to come out swinging.

Ergo; America better be getting ready to fight and win a nuclear war lest the Union perish from this earth, and be damned with the peace hippies screetching "you can't win a nuclear war!"

Unfortunately, the Neoconservatives are right, a nuclear war is inevitable, because America will never accept mutual vulnerability, because MAD is defeatist and American Ingenuity will not accept defeat, in the face of Kobayashi Maru, America is Captain Kirk and so they will keep trying to solve the problem by technological innovation.

This then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy as the Russians and Chinese counter escalate in the face of it, until somebody sometime is gonna make a mistake.

But, you know, no need to rush things, creeping towards a thermonuclear exchange is still better than charging headlong into one.n

 

Agreement.

Folks laugh at "Space Force"...making silly jokes and putting Trump in Marvin Martian's costume. But the USSF is soon to be a reality with all it entails. The hyper-mach SR-72 is nearing fruition...it's one Hell of a weapon.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Agreement.

Folks laugh at "Space Force"...making silly jokes and putting Trump in Marvin Martian's costume. But the USSF is soon to be a reality with all it entails. The hyper-mach SR-72 is nearing fruition...it's one Hell of a weapon.

 

I like the Kremlin's plan better, where you sneak a nuclear torpedo up the Potomac with a multi megaton warhead, no launch detection for the American SBIRS, point blank, no warning decapitation strike,

[DogOnPorch]

Hydrogen bombs are scary. The plebs are blissfully unaware of their power thinking all mushroom clouds are created equal. A 5 megaton weapon doesn't have to be on target...it can be in a tramp freighter miles off of your coast....bzzzzzzzzzzzt...there goes most of Los Angeles. 

[DogOnPorch]

Anyways...back to that POS Khadr...

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Anyways...back to that POS Khadr...

No thanks, super boring.   I don't waste time on moral panics and faux outrage, particularly for things beyond my control.

Kadr is Trudeau's problem, not my problem. /shrugs

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

No thanks, super boring.   I don't waste time on moral panics and faux outrage, particularly for things beyond my control.

Kadr is Trudeau's problem, not my problem. /shrugs

 

I'll discuss nukes and other weapons all day...but in another thread. Make one...

[Dougie93]

Plenty of time for that, I'm not going anywhere, I like it here.  Compared to the forums I'm used to, this forum is swanky, it's got all the bells and whistles.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You never cornered anyone into admitting anything, get over yourself.

Sure I did.

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I’d love for Canada to stay out of that region and let them have their religious wars all to themselves. Leave the Taliban be. Leave their people there to sort it out. No refugees allowed out. No aid going in. No soldiers helping either side. But.....

You pissed and moaned, twisted and turned, lamented land whined like everyone else who gets kicked into the same pathetic corner. And then...you said the magic word that makes it all okay.... But....  the same big ol' fat whiny but every other but-sniffing apologist utters about investing in the root-causes and problems of our own making.  Why can't you people own it and speak proudly to our behaviour?

Of course no good apology would be complete with dragging Big Mo his-self into things.  Godwin would probably laugh his ass off at people who do that too.

Edited January 13, 2019 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure I did.

You pissed and moaned, twisted and turned, lamented land whined like everyone else who gets kicked into the same pathetic corner. And then...you said the magic word that makes it all okay.... But....  the same big ol' fat whiny but every other but-sniffing apologist utters about investing in the root-causes and problems of our own making.  Why can't you people own it and speak proudly to our behaviour?

Of course no good apology would be complete with dragging Big Mo his-self into things.  Godwin would probably laugh his ass off at people who do that too.

I’m not apologizing for anything. It’s just a waste of time and money for us to help people who are beyond help. 

The saddest part of the Afghan war is that we had to choose whether to fight on the side of people who shoot girls in the head for going to school, or people whose elites have young boy-toys for sex. 

I wanna stay clear of the whole disgusting lot.