August1991 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 According to Scott Adams, Trump is a "Master Persuader". (Obama, apparently was not.) OTOH, Hollywood/CNN/NYT/WaPO "hates" Trump. (They loved Obama - but Trump could not persuade them.) So, what happens when a true "Master Persuader" (according to Adams definition) decides to be president; what happens when Hollywood/WaPo/NYT endorses someone who says "MAGA"? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 I think the opposite happened in the case of Ronald Reagan....a Hollywood insider and leader of the screen actor's guild used his expertise and "B - list" movie star status to rat out commies, become the governor of California, and become President of the United States...twice. Hollywood was cooperating whether it wanted to or not. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, August1991 said: According to Scott Adams, Trump is a "Master Persuader". (Obama, apparently was not.) OTOH, Hollywood/CNN/NYT/WaPO "hates" Trump. (They loved Obama - but Trump could not persuade them.) So, what happens when a true "Master Persuader" (according to Adams definition) decides to be president; what happens when Hollywood/WaPo/NYT endorses someone who says "MAGA"? If Trump is persuasive to you, you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement Edited June 17, 2017 by Omni Quote
betsy Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Omni said: If Trump is persuasive to you, you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement If you can't see how Trump exercise his kind of "persuasion" - nothing gentle about it, I must add - and failed to see that despite all the ridicules and whinings coming from everywhere, he's managed to "persuade" NATO deadbeat members to dance to his tune (not to mention some Islamic leaders in Islam countries) - then, (to borrow your phrase), you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement Edited June 17, 2017 by betsy Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Omni said: If Trump is persuasive to you, you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement Is there anything more ironic than misspelling the word "dumber"? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 6 hours ago, betsy said: If you can't see how Trump exercise his kind of "persuasion" - nothing gentle about it, I must add - and failed to see that despite all the ridicules and whinings coming from everywhere, he's managed to "persuade" NATO deadbeat members to dance to his tune (not to mention some Islamic leaders in Islam countries) - then, (to borrow your phrase), you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement Hard to be persuasive when everyone is laughing ad rolling their eyes wondering what silliness will emerge from the mext tweet. Quote
betsy Posted June 18, 2017 Report Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Omni said: Hard to be persuasive when everyone is laughing ad rolling their eyes wondering what silliness will emerge from the mext tweet. .....and here's another silliness that emerged from your post. Only teenagers - and weak people - make a big deal and are worried about what others say about them. Trump didn't come to his position in business doing that. You should know that by now. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want - what matters is if Trump had achieved what he wanted. He did, with NATO deadbeat members. Look, even Canada (after all the humming and aaahh-aaahhing), is going to pay. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want, but no sitting president had ever managed to get most leaders of Islamic countries come together, and have the kind of reception given to Trump in Saudi Arabia. They all sat to listen to Trump. Just compare the reception to Obama's last visit - no one had greeted him even at the tarmac! Edited June 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
Omni Posted June 18, 2017 Report Posted June 18, 2017 8 hours ago, betsy said: .....and here's another silliness that emerged from your post. Only teenagers - and weak people - make a big deal and are worried about what others say about them. Trump didn't come to his position in business doing that. You should know that by now. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want - what matters is if Trump had achieved what he wanted. He did, with NATO deadbeat members. Look, even Canada (after all the humming and aaahh-aaahhing), is going to pay. They can laugh and roll their eyes all they want, but no sitting president had ever managed to get most leaders of Islamic countries come together, and have the kind of reception given to Trump in Saudi Arabia. They all sat to listen to Trump. Just compare the reception to Obama's last visit - no one had greeted him even at the tarmac! So lets see, what has he actually accomplished? Well he appointed a SC judge. His 38 or so EP's he has signed off have gone nowhere so far, oh except the one that keeps getting snubbed by the courts. You know, the one that seeks to stop people from Islamic countries from entering the US,, while he goes off to the heart of Islam and sells a few billion worth of arms to a country with one of the worst human rights records on the planet. Them comes home and toddles off to Little Havana and gives a speech which takes a poke at Cuba for it's human rights record. So much hypocrisy and you wonder why people roll their eyes? Quote
August1991 Posted June 24, 2017 Author Report Posted June 24, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 5:34 AM, Omni said: If Trump is persuasive to you, you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement But Omni, imagine if someone like Obama - said things like Trump. ==== The US Constitution is a marvel. Quote
Omni Posted June 24, 2017 Report Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, August1991 said: But Omni, imagine if someone like Obama - said things like Trump. ==== The US Constitution is a marvel. It's quite a stretch to imagine someone as intelligent as Obama, saying things as stupid as does Trump, continuously. Quote
OftenWrong Posted June 24, 2017 Report Posted June 24, 2017 If Donald Trump persuades at all, it's with a whip. Quote
August1991 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Report Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Omni said: It's quite a stretch to imagine someone as intelligent as Obama, saying things as stupid as does Trump, continuously. Trump is not stupid. Let me repeat that: Donald Trump is not a stupid man. ==== According to you, Obama is intelligent but Trump says stupid things. I agree with you on both points. Edited June 25, 2017 by August1991 Quote
Omni Posted June 25, 2017 Report Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, August1991 said: Trump is not stupid. Let me repeat that: Donald Trump is not a stupid man. ==== According to you, Obama is intelligent but Trump says stupid things. I agree with you. It's going to be amazing, so amazing, it's going to be so amazing, you will be amazed. Trust me, it will be amazing....etcetera, etcetera. Quote
August1991 Posted July 2, 2017 Author Report Posted July 2, 2017 On 6/25/2017 at 4:53 AM, Omni said: It's going to be amazing, so amazing, it's going to be so amazing, you will be amazed. Trust me, it will be amazing....etcetera, etcetera. Omni, I don't think you get my point. Imagine someone who appeals to many ordinary Americans the way Trump does (whether you like this fact or not, you must admit that it's true) but someone who also has the coolness appeal that Hollywood loves. Obama had the Hollywood coolness factor/support but when he kept saying "folks", I knew that he knew that he was weak in reaching ordinary Americans. ===== Rudyard Kipling put it this way: "walk with Kings but not lose the common touch..." It is a rare politician that can be a King yet appear to defend the common people. Justin Trudeau is trying this now as his father did before. Frankly, I think Trudeau Snr knew what he was doing and never abused it. I wonder whether Trudeau Jnr quite understands what is involved. Quote
Omni Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, August1991 said: Omni, I don't think you get my point. Imagine someone who appeals to many ordinary Americans the way Trump does (whether you like this fact or not, you must admit that it's true) but someone who also has the coolness appeal that Hollywood loves. Obama had the Hollywood coolness factor/support but when he kept saying "folks", I knew that he knew that he was weak in reaching ordinary Americans. ===== Rudyard Kipling put it this way: "walk with Kings but not lose the common touch..." It is a rare politician that can be a King yet appear to defend the common people. Justin Trudeau is trying this now as his father did before. Frankly, I think Trudeau Snr knew what he was doing and never abused it. I wonder whether Trudeau Jnr quite understands what is involved. I'm not sure exactly who you describe as "ordinary" Americans, but if you look at the approval ratings of Obama and Trump it's quite obvious who is more popular with Americans in general. Trump in less than 6 months has driven his approval rating lower than Obama did throughout his two terms. And I don't think Trump has ever had the "common touch", and I doubt there are a lot of "kings" who really want to walk with him. Merkel and Macron certainly weren't impressed. Quote
August1991 Posted July 2, 2017 Author Report Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Omni said: I'm not sure exactly who you describe as "ordinary" Americans, but if you look at the approval ratings of Obama and Trump it's quite obvious who is more popular with Americans in general. Trump in less than 6 months has driven his approval rating lower than Obama did throughout his two terms. And I don't think Trump has ever had the "common touch", and I doubt there are a lot of "kings" who really want to walk with him. Merkel and Macron certainly weren't impressed. Rasmussen (biased right) puts Trump at about 45%. I reckon about 30% of Americans are the hard-core support for Trump. And Omni, make no mistake, it is not Trump personally they support; it is what he is saying and doing. For about 30% of Americans, Trump is defending/standing up/for America. ===== My OP asks the question: what happens when someone like Trump is perceived also to be as cool/popular as Obama? Edited July 2, 2017 by August1991 Quote
Omni Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, August1991 said: My OP asks the question: what happens when someone like Trump is perceived to be as cool/popular as Obama? I'm not quite sure I see the point of your question, but I don't think many people think Trump is "cool" in any similar way that they did Obama. People in the rust belt voted for Trump because they hoped he would fulfill his promise to bring them jobs. Most of them still support him, regardless of his stupid twitter rants, even though they are still waiting for those jobs. Obama's popularity ebbed and flowed based largely on his policies. Trump doesn't seem to actually have any, so he hangs in there at the mid to high 30's. Quote
August1991 Posted July 2, 2017 Author Report Posted July 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, Omni said: I'm not quite sure I see the point of your question.... Lately, I've been feeling misunderstood. So, maybe it's me. Quote
Omni Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, August1991 said: Lately, I've been feeling misunderstood. So, maybe it's me. Oh I reckon we've all felt that from time to time. Quote
peoples advocate Posted October 22, 2017 Report Posted October 22, 2017 On 2017-06-17 at 4:45 AM, betsy said: If you can't see how Trump exercise his kind of "persuasion" - nothing gentle about it, I must add - and failed to see that despite all the ridicules and whinings coming from everywhere, he's managed to "persuade" NATO deadbeat members to dance to his tune (not to mention some Islamic leaders in Islam countries) - then, (to borrow your phrase), you must be dummer than a sack of hammers. I hasten to add that was meant as a general statement I am sorry but people that voted Hillary do not have a finger on the pulse of the average person. Make the lists and compare if you do not see her for what she is our hope is gone for you , so long Quote
Argus Posted October 22, 2017 Report Posted October 22, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 10:49 PM, August1991 said: Trump is not stupid. Let me repeat that: Donald Trump is not a stupid man There's no evidence to support those statements, and much evidence to contradict them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 On 02/07/2017 at 4:03 PM, August1991 said: My OP asks the question: what happens when someone like Trump is perceived also to be as cool/popular as Obama? Obama? Quote
betsy Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) On 6/17/2017 at 12:36 AM, August1991 said: According to Scott Adams, Trump is a "Master Persuader". (Obama, apparently was not.) OTOH, Hollywood/CNN/NYT/WaPO "hates" Trump. (They loved Obama - but Trump could not persuade them.) So, what happens when a true "Master Persuader" (according to Adams definition) decides to be president; what happens when Hollywood/WaPo/NYT endorses someone who says "MAGA"? Hollywood scored squat in that Presidential election! Nice bonus to see the pompous big-names get pies on their faces, and get a massive dose of reality-check. Remember the Hollywood biggies - the A-listers - that all campaigned with Clinton, not to mention the popular sitcoms that made fun of Trump night-after night-after night, and all the negative social media tweets from big names! And yes, mainstream media was high on that too. They even used props! All those fake polls....and, the parade of allegedly sexually assaulted women - and that famous tape! Did they do any good? Nada. Despite all that.....Trump won. He was able to persuade his voters to reject all the above. Now, that can only come from a master persuader. Edited October 23, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) On 6/17/2017 at 1:18 PM, Omni said: Hard to be persuasive when everyone is laughing ad rolling their eyes wondering what silliness will emerge from the mext tweet. Hard to be credible when you obviously can't see the evidence. Such silly response only get laughing and rolling eyes emojis. What silliness will emerge from the next post, I wonder? Edited October 23, 2017 by betsy Quote
Omni Posted October 23, 2017 Report Posted October 23, 2017 8 hours ago, betsy said: Hard to be credible when you obviously can't see the evidence. Such silly response only get laughing and rolling eyes emojis. What silliness will emerge from the next post, I wonder? Speaking of silliness, you seem to tb the emoji fan of note here. Quote
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