DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: I don't like niqabs either, they make me uncomfortable, especially with those long black dresses. But I do support the right of people to wear what they want without suffering legal penalties, as well as social ones. I also do not think my comfort level should dictate what someone else is allowed to wear. If criminals wearing niqabs became a common feature of crimes, that might be a reason to disallow them. But as that has not happened with balaclavas I fail to see how there is any justification for disallowing niqabs. Folks generally don't walk around with balaclavas unless it's -40. Try walking by that armored car picking-up cash wearing one...watch the ensuing hilarity. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Folks generally don't walk around with balaclavas unless it's -40. Serious non sequitur. Quote
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Peter F said: I understand you claim so and I understand that it may even be true that most Canadians agree with you. Understand that wether most Canadians agree with me or not is of no importance to me or my ethics. I also understand that Canadians ageeing with you is very important to you. I'm simply pointing it out because your sense of being the noble defender of the underclass seems to rest upon the assumption that the rest of us are some kind of extremists, when, in point of fact, you're the extremist on this issue. Edited June 8, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, hot enough said: Serious non sequitur. You're the serious non-sequitur. Dialamah imagines balaclavas as: A] standard Western Civilization wear...not. B] Acceptable anywhere...nope. C] A way to apologize for Islam's obvious failings...yup. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Peter F Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Argus said: I'm simply pointing it out because your sense of being the noble defender of the underclass seems to rest upon the assumption that the rest of us are some kind of extremists, in point of fact, you're the extremist on this issue. Hey, if extremist soothes your doubts then call me an extremist. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, Peter F said: Carefull, Argus, you may end up legislating both of us right out of this country. I haven't been near a church - other than for weddings and funerals, in decades, and I know very well I'm not stupid. I have a low tolerance, though, for stupid people, and at heart, my conviction is that these Muslim religious fanatics are STUPID. Their ideas are STUPID. Their hatreds are STUPID. The fact their societies won't adapt to the modern world is STUPID. And I don't think we need more stupid people coming into Canada. If asking people if they believe it's necessary for all women to wear a bag over their heads or if gays should be killed or whatnot reveals that they're stupid then I'm all for refusing them status as immigrants. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, hot enough said: Or about western society, the "open and honest ones". It's provided the highest standard of living with the longest lifespan and the most freedom for the most people of any society in the history of this planet. Edited June 8, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Another non sequitur. And you can't read, or at least you can't comprehend. Dialamah didn't say what you said. She said that people are free to wear what they want, which is, I must inform you, the truth. How do we know this? Because Hutterites wear what they want, as do Hindus, Sikhs, Mennonites, ... . How has this escaped such a brilliant mind? Quote
Peter F Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) (in reply to Argus above) I get that. You've said it a hundred times. And, for the hundredth time, I think its perfectly fine in freedom loving Canada to be stupid and always has been Edited June 8, 2017 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 21 minutes ago, dialamah said: I don't like niqabs either, they make me uncomfortable, especially with those long black dresses. But I do support the right of people to wear what they want without suffering legal penalties, as well as social ones. And you support bringing in more people who believe women should wear them, and zealously attack anyone who argues against that. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Argus said: It's provided the highest standard of living with the longest lifespan and the most freedom for the most people of any society in the history of this planet. By killing tens of millions, committing genocides, stealing from others, but yes, you are right. Except you missed the crucial part about being open and honest. Edited June 8, 2017 by hot enough Quote
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Peter F said: (in reply to Argus above) I get that. You've said it a hundred times. And, for the hundredth time, I think its perfectly fine in freedom loving Canada to be stupid and always has been And apparently you want to encourage more of it. Because, I guess, like Hot enough, you hate this country. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, hot enough said: By killing tens of millions, committing genocides, stealing from others, but yes, you are right. Your poor understanding of the English language clearly leads you into gross misunderstandings of the terms you attempt to use in discussions. Edited June 8, 2017 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Goddess Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 21 minutes ago, dialamah said: If criminals wearing niqabs became a common feature of crimes, that might be a reason to disallow them. But as that has not happened with balaclavas Not entirely true. You cannot wear a balaclava into a bank. You cannot wear a balaclava while taking the citizenship oath. That being said, if there are more attacks like the woman in Toronto, I can see them instituting a burka ban. There's no way of knowing WHO is under there and no way of knowing if they are concealing weapons. 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Argus said: And you support bringing in more people who believe women should wear them, and zealously attack anyone who argues against that. Earth to Argus! Hutterites, Mennonites, Hindus, ... . Canada is a free and open country. Quote
Peter F Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Argus said: And apparently you want to encourage more of it. Because, I guess, like Hot enough, you hate this country. Guess away. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Argus said: Your poor understanding of the English language clearly leads you into gross misunderstandings of the terms you attempt to use in discussions. Just a couple of minutes of discussion on the English language would put the lie to your misunderstandings about both history and the English language. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: Earth to Argus! Hutterites, Mennonites, Hindus, ... . Canada is a free and open country. None of whom are murdering folks in the name of their bloody religion. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: Not entirely true. You cannot wear a balaclava into a bank. You cannot wear a balaclava while taking the citizenship oath. That being said, if there are more attacks like the woman in Toronto, I can see them instituting a burka ban. There's no way of knowing WHO is under there and no way of knowing if they are concealing weapons. "You", seeing something, is not a good indicator of how society will move. Quote
Omni Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Argus said: And you support bringing in more people who believe women should wear them, and zealously attack anyone who argues against that. I think you are a bit mixed up as to who is doing the "attacking" and who is doing the arguing. Quote
hot enough Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: None of whom are murdering folks in the name of their bloody religion. But Christian westerners are, millions of Muslims, Iraqis, Afghans, Vietnamese, Nicaraguans, Chileans, Guatemalans, ... . Just to steal their wealth, from the mouths of children. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: I think you are a bit mixed up as to who is doing the "attacking" and who is doing the arguing. Yet you're all for MORE Islam in Canada...not less. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: But Christian westerners are, millions of Muslims, Iraqis, Afghans, Vietnamese, Nicaraguans, Chileans, Guatemalans, ... . Just to steal their wealth, from the mouths of children. Somebody missed the Cold War. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Yet you're all for MORE Islam in Canada...not less. You're free to support Islam. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 8, 2017 Report Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Omni said: You're free to support Islam. Yes, you are. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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