Libertarian/Somalian Max Bernier

[August1991]

If Bernier wins the federal Conservative leadership, the central Canada (Toronto, CBC, Globe) English media will soon do a ferocious attack on Maxime Bernier. They will accuse him of wanting to turn Canada into Somalia. They will say that he is an ignorant acolyte of Ayn Rand.

I am more curious about the Quebec reaction; I suspect that Bernier's origins in the Beauce will cause ambivalence/confusion.

In the West, I predict his practical respect of provincial rights will be suspect. 

 

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

If Bernier wins the federal Conservative leadership, the central Canada (Toronto, CBC, Globe) English media will soon do a ferocious attack on Maxime Bernier. They will accuse him of wanting to turn Canada into Somalia. They will say that he is an ignorant acolyte of Ayn Rand.

I am more curious about the Quebec reaction; I suspect that Bernier's origins in the Beauce will cause ambivalence/confusion.

In the West, I predict his practical respect of provincial rights will be suspect. 

 

His approach seems to be to gut healthcare, and because of that I say say he can go piss up a rope. However if he does win. Trudeau is on his way to another term.

[dialamah]

Gut healthcare?   I've recently been involved in a situation where a dying person was sent sent home from the hospital with absolutely no support, suffering with uncontrollable diarrhea and without the cognitive ability to take care of himself.  He was literally sent home to die in his own excrement.  The landlord had to have his suite cleaned as a biohazard at a cost of six grand.  Have heard of several similar stories since then.  As more people age into illness and the voting public becomes more aware of what they and their parents have to look forward to, gutting healthcare is not going to be a popular platform.

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Gut healthcare?   I've recently been involved in a situation where a dying person was sent sent home from the hospital with absolutely no support, suffering with uncontrollable diarrhea and without the cognitive ability to take care of himself.  He was literally sent home to die in his own excrement.  The landlord had to have his suite cleaned as a biohazard at a cost of six grand.  Have heard of several similar stories since then.  As more people age into illness and the voting public becomes more aware of what they and their parents have to look forward to, gutting healthcare is not going to be a popular platform.

First of all, that's a very sad story, Oh my god. As I understand it Bernier wants to offload healthcare costs totally onto the provinces, although in all honesty I haven't paid enough attention yet to be able to make a well informed comment. However when I look at what is happening on this issue south of the border I get a little antsy to think we could head down that road. 

[August1991]

When clueless Leftists take aim, they miss. As Barack Obama famously said: "The 1980s are calling. They want their foreign policy back." 

Now, the central Canada (Toronto, CBC, Globe) English media will ferociously attack Andrew Scheer. They will accuse him of wanting to turn Canada back to 1950. They will say that he is an ignorant "SoCon", in the pocket of anti-Gays for his win.

In Quebec, the nationalist media may note that it is the 1976 federal Conservative Convention redux: Clark was third on the first ballot (against Wagner/Mulroney) but English Tories did not want a Quebec leader.

[H10]

I believe that the conservatives knew they'd lose the 2019 election.  Trudeau is too popular right now and enjoys too much support to lose the next election, Harper imploded his own party.  That is why their best canidates like Kenny and Mackay chose not to run.  The best candidate the conservatives had was probably bernier or chong.  Sheer's election has guaranteed that Trudeau will win again.

1. Sheer is a Western Canadian with poor french running against a francophone liberal.

2. Central Canada particularly Ontario has become increasingly more liberal and it will be almost impossible for a social conservative to win without cracking this region and it is almost impossible for a social conservative to win this region.

3.  Trudeau has pivoted to the left of the ndp making it hard for anyone to beat him.

4.  There are 4 maritime provinces who are dependent on government handouts mostly federal.  No real conservative will crack these areas.

[taxme]

40 minutes ago, hernanday said:

I believe that the conservatives knew they'd lose the 2019 election.  Trudeau is too popular right now and enjoys too much support to lose the next election, Harper imploded his own party.  That is why their best canidates like Kenny and Mackay chose not to run.  The best candidate the conservatives had was probably bernier or chong.  Sheer's election has guaranteed that Trudeau will win again.

1. Sheer is a Western Canadian with poor french running against a francophone liberal.

2. Central Canada particularly Ontario has become increasingly more liberal and it will be almost impossible for a social conservative to win without cracking this region and it is almost impossible for a social conservative to win this region.

3.  Trudeau has pivoted to the left of the ndp making it hard for anyone to beat him.

4.  There are 4 maritime provinces who are dependent on government handouts mostly federal.  No real conservative will crack these areas.

The conservative party needs a person like Trump, not this constant politically correct puppet politicians on the elite zio-liberal string yes/no, men/women plan. Western separatism is the only option now left for westerners. All those liberal communist programs and agendas that the west has had to suffer under for umpteen decades needs too end. The question now is whether a political western separatist party can come forward and try to convince westerners that now is the time to leave the east otherwise it will be business as usual, and westerners will still be drawing the water for the east. We must wait and see. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, hernanday said:

I believe that the conservatives knew they'd lose the 2019 election.  Trudeau is too popular right now and enjoys too much support to lose the next election, Harper imploded his own party.  That is why their best canidates like Kenny and Mackay chose not to run.  The best candidate the conservatives had was probably bernier or chong.  Sheer's election has guaranteed that Trudeau will win again.

1. Sheer is a Western Canadian with poor french running against a francophone liberal.

2. Central Canada particularly Ontario has become increasingly more liberal and it will be almost impossible for a social conservative to win without cracking this region and it is almost impossible for a social conservative to win this region.

3.  Trudeau has pivoted to the left of the ndp making it hard for anyone to beat him.

4.  There are 4 maritime provinces who are dependent on government handouts mostly federal.  No real conservative will crack these areas.

1.  Doesn't matter if Scheer is from the west.  Harper was too and was in for nine years.  Poor french might not be the best but it is better than none.

2.  There were a lot of Ontarians that voted for Harper during his nine years.  Scheer is more of a populist who wants to do things that bring unity to the party.  I would agree that a social conservative would not be very popular in Ontario but don't think Scheer is a strong social conservative except he opposes gay marriage; that doesn't mean much.  Hopefully people are getting tired of that issue.  It effects very few people.

3.  A lot of people don't agree with a lot of what Trudeau has done.  Lots of people oppose carbon taxes for example.  I think lots oppose legalizing marijuana.

4.  I will agree with you on that.  The maritimes will be tough to win,  but if the CPC get a lot of seats in the rest of Canada, they could still win the election.

Edited May 29, 2017 by blackbird

[Omni]

23 minutes ago, taxme said:

The conservative party needs a person like Trump, not this constant politically correct puppet politicians on the elite zio-liberal string yes/no, men/women plan. Western separatism is the only option now left for westerners. All those liberal communist programs and agendas that the west has had to suffer under for umpteen decades needs too end. The question now is whether a political western separatist party can come forward and try to convince westerners that now is the time to leave the east otherwise it will be business as usual, and westerners will still be drawing the water for the east. We must wait and see. 

I doubt very much the conservative party wants a person like trump who can't get his approval #'s above 35% even this early in his mandate. And they will only likely descend until his impeachment.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

I doubt very much the conservative party wants a person like trump who can't get his approval #'s above 35% even this early in his mandate. And they will only likely descend until his impeachment.

You're assuming he will be impeached.  I don't think so.  He can't be impeached just because democrats or others don't like him.

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You're assuming he will be impeached.  I don't think so.  He can't be impeached just because democrats or others don't like him.

Obstruction of justice has nothing to do with political slant. It's a law. 

I should correct that to say obstruction is a criminal activity.

Edited May 29, 2017 by Omni

[taxme]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1.  Doesn't matter if Scheer is from the west.  Harper was too and was in for nine years.  Poor french might not be the best but it is better than none.

2.  There were a lot of Ontarians that voted for Harper during his nine years.  Scheer is more of a populist who wants to do things that bring unity to the party.  I would agree that a social conservative would not be very popular in Ontario but don't think Scheer is a strong social conservative except he opposes gay marriage; that doesn't mean much.  Hopefully people are getting tired of that issue.  It effects very few people.

3.  A lot of people don't agree with a lot of what Trudeau has done.  Lots of people oppose carbon taxes for example.  I think lots oppose legalizing marijuana.

4.  I will agree with you on that.  The maritimes will be tough to win,  but if the CPC get a lot of seats in the rest of Canada, they could still win the election.

Promise the Maritimes money and you will get the votes you want from those Maritimers.  

[taxme]

25 minutes ago, Omni said:

I doubt very much the conservative party wants a person like trump who can't get his approval #'s above 35% even this early in his mandate. And they will only likely descend until his impeachment.

So says the liberal lying fake and phony media. Trump is still quite popular despite what you want to hear and believe. No impeachment tomorrow. 

[Omni]

At least they had the good sense to leave Leitch and her "Canadian Values" test in the dust. I'm interested to hear from Sheer. I thought he did not a bad job as speaker. 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

So says the liberal lying fake and phony media. Trump is still quite popular despite what you want to hear and believe. No impeachment tomorrow. 

Psst. You're in the wrong thread.

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, Omni said:

Obstruction of justice has nothing to do with political slant. It's a law. 

I should correct that to say obstruction is a criminal activity.

There is no obstruction of justice.

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, Omni said:

At least they had the good sense to leave Leitch and her "Canadian Values" test in the dust. I'm interested to hear from Sheer. I thought he did not a bad job as speaker. 

Leitch did a good job getting the message about Canadian values out and many Canadians agreed with her.  Trudeau doesn't believe in this.  Many Canadians do partly because Leitch made it a central issue.

[Argus]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

In Quebec, the nationalist media may note that it is the 1976 federal Conservative Convention redux: Clark was third on the first ballot (against Wagner/Mulroney) but English Tories did not want a Quebec leader.

They might explain why Scheer got more votes from Bernier's riding than Bernier did.

[Boges]

8 hours ago, Omni said:

Obstruction of justice has nothing to do with political slant. It's a law. 

I should correct that to say obstruction is a criminal activity.

Still needs congress to get him Impeached. Huge thread drift though. 

[Argus]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Leitch did a good job getting the message about Canadian values out and many Canadians agreed with her.  Trudeau doesn't believe in this.  Many Canadians do partly because Leitch made it a central issue.

Leitch wasn't rejected because of her values message but in spite of it. She had zero charisma, was not exactly likable or photogenic, not a good speaker, and makes terrible videos. The values message was the only thing that kept her from being dropped on the first ballot.

[Omni]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Leitch did a good job getting the message about Canadian values out and many Canadians agreed with her.  Trudeau doesn't believe in this.  Many Canadians do partly because Leitch made it a central issue.

Luckily her own party had the good sense to keep her far away from the leadership role. The Liberals on the other hand were probably hoping like hell she would win. And we all know why.

[taxme]

13 hours ago, Omni said:

At least they had the good sense to leave Leitch and her "Canadian Values" test in the dust. I'm interested to hear from Sheer. I thought he did not a bad job as speaker. 

At least Leitch had the ba-ls to bring up the problems that we have in Canada and are facing in regards to our present day destructive multicultural immigration policy that is destroying this once great nation. Leitch showed and spoke about true Canadian values unlike with your liberal values that only want to destroy Canada. 

 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Omni said:

Luckily her own party had the good sense to keep her far away from the leadership role. The Liberals on the other hand were probably hoping like hell she would win. And we all know why.

The liberals will probably win the next election because the conservative party did not come forward with a Trump like candidate who I would hope would say to Canadians, liberal political correctness can go kiss my butt. PC, you are out of here. 

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

At least Leitch had the ba-ls to bring up the problems that we have in Canada and are facing in regards to our present day destructive multicultural immigration policy that is destroying this once great nation. Leitch showed and spoke about true Canadian values unlike with your liberal values that only want to destroy Canada. 

 

Apparently she's got more ba-ls than brains. Even her party recognized that.

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

Leitch wasn't rejected because of her values message but in spite of it. She had zero charisma, was not exactly likable or photogenic, not a good speaker, and makes terrible videos. The values message was the only thing that kept her from being dropped on the first ballot.

I don't see any charisma or anything like able about Sheer who did not come across to me as a man who speaks with confidence. He sounds more like a wimpy liberal. At least Leitch showed too us all that she was willing to take on political correctness, something that should have been noticed not sadly ignored.