Softwood lumber - AGAIN!

[DogOnPorch]

Ours sucks because a beetle ate it all...lol

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Ours sucks because a beetle ate it all...lol

 

Damn 'merkins causing that too...because "climate change".   LOL!

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Damn 'merkins causing that too...because "climate change".   LOL!

The bears and foxes love it...quick growing "junk wood" like Aspen and Poplar really do a wonder for the local populations.

[blackbird]

Just watched an interview with the President of the American Home Builders Association (think it was called).   His phone has been ringing of the hook.  He is completely opposed to this tariff because it will have a negative effect on his members, home building companies that build 80% of U.S. homes.  He says it will push the price up of the average U.S. home by about $3000.  This will mean about 300,000 people will not be able to afford to purchase a home more than now.   But his people will be meeting with political leaders in Washington to try to get them to see reason.   This tariff helps small number of lumber companies in the U.S. at the expense of a much larger number of home building companies and others.

[DogOnPorch]

...those houses made of wood, that is.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

...those houses made of wood, that is.

 

Right...and lumber (wood) costs for new construction homes are only about 7% of the total.

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Right...and lumber (wood) costs for new construction homes are only about 7% of the total.

 

 

We have other worries in Canada besides selling you wood. Our houses are unaffordable except to the very wealthy. We can't blame that on 'Murica.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

We have other worries in Canada besides selling you wood. Our houses are unaffordable except to the very wealthy. We can't blame that on 'Murica.

 

That's the crazy part...Canadians pay crazy high prices for new and old homes but they are worried about an extra $1500 for buyers in the U.S. because of lumber duty ?     Weak !

 

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's the crazy part...Canadians pay crazy high prices for new and old homes but they are worried about an extra $1500 for buyers in the U.S. because of lumber duty ?     Weak !

 

 

There will only be more trailer parks/modular home parks in the future...built with plastic/aluminum frames...perhaps the odd factory will still use sub-par spruce/pine, etc. Probably Canadian....

[bush_cheney2004]

Tiny homes use wood....but not as much as a McMansion.

Maybe Ontariowe can use all that extra wood to build the Detroit bridge that Obama made them pay for.

 

[DogOnPorch]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Tiny homes use wood....but not as much as a McMansion.

Maybe Ontariowe can use all that extra wood to build the Detroit bridge that Obama made them pay for.

 

 

We had a charming large wooden bridge from the 1930s near here...but the logging trucks kept knocking the spars to bits with oversized loads. Replaced by concrete.

 

Edited April 26, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[Wilber]

The drywall tariff was imposed because of US manufacturers dumping drywall in Canada for substantially less than they are charging in their home market. 

[bush_cheney2004]

19 minutes ago, Wilber said:

The drywall tariff was imposed because of US manufacturers dumping drywall in Canada for substantially less than they are charging in their home market. 

 

That's fine...but the U.S. can play the same game for dumping lumber.

Sauce...goose...gander.

[Wilber]

Dumping is exporting for less than you charge in your home market. We aren't doing that with lumber.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Dumping is exporting for less than you charge in your home market. We aren't doing that with lumber.

 

Same difference if stumpage fees and subsidies are applied.   

It's a game that Canada can play too.   Nothing special about BC lumber in that regard.

[Wilber]

No it isn't, British Columbians pay the same for BC lumber as Americans. We don't tell Americans how they can tax their products.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Wilber

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Wilber said:

No it isn't, British Columbians pay the same for BC lumber as Americans.

 

I doubt that given the strength of the U.S. dollar.

It's time to play the softwood lumber game again...Canada should know the drill by now.

 

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I doubt that given the strength of the U.S. dollar.

It's time to play the softwood lumber game again...Canada should know the drill by now.

 

US companies buy Canadian lumber in Canadian dollars, just like Canadians.

Yes, we know the drill. Same old shit, different day.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Wilber

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Wilber said:

US companies buy Canadian lumber in Canadian dollars, just like Canadians.

Yes, we know the drill. Same old shit, different day.

 

Ergo, U.S. buyers can get more lumber for their USDs.

Agreed...same drill.   No reason to blame Trump.

[Wilber]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Ergo, U.S. buyers can get more lumber for their USDs.

 

Not now.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Wilber said:

Not now.

 

Good....more sales for U.S. lumber, which is kinda the whole point.

If Canada has so much excess inventory, sell it somewhere else.

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I doubt that given the strength of the U.S. dollar.

It's time to play the softwood lumber game again...Canada should know the drill by now.

 

Yes we know the drill by now, the US throws up an unjustifiable tariff and the WTO points it out. You should maybe try another approach, but then Trump is not very creative. Well, other than he can make a new story every other day about whatever he's going to do. 

[Omni]

Anyway we know this has nothing to do with markets and all to do with politics, and so American's get to pay a higher price for lumber. Good going Donald.

[Wilber]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Good....more sales for U.S. lumber, which is kinda the whole point.

 

And at higher prices too.

 

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If Canada has so much excess inventory, sell it somewhere else.

I completely agree.

[bush_cheney2004]

23 minutes ago, Wilber said:

And at higher prices too.

 

Yes....Chinese steel is much cheaper too, but not welcomed for "Buy American" policies.

"Hewers of wood" should have a more diversified export market.

Edited April 26, 2017 by bush_cheney2004