DogOnPorch Posted April 8, 2017 Report Posted April 8, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: The potency of various ACh esterase inhibitors is something you'll have to take up with somebody else. The general appearance of the injured seems more consistent with a gas of some sort than blast injury IMO. The immediate treatment for VX/Sarin is pretty much the same: atropine...and fast! Purity matters, of course...but this is a claimed sarin attack. Not a random might be toxic some sorta chemical attack. But as the photos/videos posted to the media show: no CBW gear. Those rescuers would have been negatively affected by the sarin wafting off the bodies/clothes...ie: keeling over and joining the victims. But, I guess Allah was merciful....lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 8, 2017 Report Posted April 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Great Game! A time honoured (note the 'U') trait of the British Empire as well as others! Yes. The Great Game This is an excellent read. History is repeating itself. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 8, 2017 Report Posted April 8, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Yes. The Great Game This is an excellent read. History is repeating itself. I have them all...how could I not? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Army Guy Posted April 8, 2017 Report Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The odd thing I'm seeing in in some photos re: sarin use... Bare hands...simple face mask/filter...not CBW gear at ALL. They'd all be twitching and frothing at the mouth...just saying. I see others in the global peanut galley have also noticed this... VX is supposily one of the hardest chemicals to produce, at least at strengths we see in the west or Russia, 90% or better, Gas samples taken from Iraq were at 40%to 50 %, now where did Syria get its chemicals from, Not sure.......rumours have it trucks from Iraq did head towards Syria, but then again rumours.....If it was russia,or western then you would see nothing but dead decontamination teams if they were dress the same way......Water is not the best decon agent either, the gas is oiled based, it would repel water to a certain degree.... Quote The most important decontamination measure naturally concerns the individual. If it is suspected that skin has been exposed to liquid CW agents, then it must be decontaminated immediately (within a minute). All experience confirms that the most important factor is time; the means used in decontamination are of minor importance. Good results can be obtained with such widely differing means as talcum powder, flour, soap and water, or special decontaminants. In complete decontamination, clothes and personal belongings must also be decontaminated. If clothes have been exposed to liquid contamination, then extreme care must be taken when undressing to avoid transferring CW agents to the skin. There may be particular problems when caring for injured since it may be necessary to remove their clothes by cutting them off. This must be done in such a way that the patient is not further injured through skin contact with CW agents. During subsequent treatment it is essential to ensure that the entire patient is decontaminated to avoid the risk of exposing the medical staff to the CW agents. https://www.opcw.org/our-work/assistance-and-protection/protection-against-chemical-weapons/decontamination/ Edited April 8, 2017 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
DogOnPorch Posted April 8, 2017 Report Posted April 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: VX is supposily one of the hardest chemicals to produce, at least at strengths we see in the west or Russia, 90% or better, Gas samples taken from Iraq were at 40%to 50 %, now where did Syria get its chemicals from, Not sure.......rumours have it trucks from Iraq did head towards Syria, but then again rumours.....If it was russia,or western then you would see nothing but dead decontamination teams if they were dress the same way...... Yes, VX is terrible not only for its effects but its durability in the environment. It's an area denial weapon, mainly...envisioned as. The British discovered it and traded it to the US for the H-Bomb know-how. It has an oily consistency which vaporizes near room temperature and condenses back when it cools...night for example. It resists burning and is not water soluble making clean-up nearly impossible. It spreads on tires etc making containment the #1 priority. There has not been a full scale use of VX recorded...but like sarin, it just takes doses in the 100s of μg to show some pretty drastic effects. Vomiting and seizures, etc. Plus...imagine it spreading through you similar to a drop of oil breaking water tension...fast. Don't get me started on the weaponization of Variola India 1967...that makes VX look like super-happy-fun-time. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
taxme Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 On 4/7/2017 at 11:17 AM, blackbird said: The U.S. launched 59 Tomahawk Cruise missiles against a Syrian airfield after notifying the Russians the attack would be coming, enabling everyone to get out of the airfield in time. This was in reaction to the chemical gas attacks against men, women, and children a few days ago. News reports say it is to send a message to Assad not to do it again. Canada PM announced Canada supports this action. What happens next in Syria? This is just another false flag. Assad had nothing to do with it. Most likely during a bombing a missile hit a building that had chemical weapons stored in it by ISIS. Why would Assad want to do such a stupid thing like that when he is winning the war against ISIS with the help of Russia and America? I don't think that Trump used his head on this one. He was given false news. What happens next? Well, the one thing they do not want to do is get rid of Assad because that is what the zionist elite have been trying to do for years. He is standing in their way from controlling and taking over Syria. The elite took over Libya and Iraq and look at the mess that has created. They wanted those two leaders of those countries out of there, and they were able to do so. And Canada must support this action if Canada knows what is best for Canadians. Source: Global Research for one. Quote
Guest Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 27 minutes ago, taxme said: This is just another false flag. Assad had nothing to do with it. Most likely during a bombing a missile hit a building that had chemical weapons stored in it by ISIS. Why would Assad want to do such a stupid thing like that when he is winning the war against ISIS with the help of Russia and America? I don't think that Trump used his head on this one. He was given false news. What happens next? Well, the one thing they do not want to do is get rid of Assad because that is what the zionist elite have been trying to do for years. He is standing in their way from controlling and taking over Syria. The elite took over Libya and Iraq and look at the mess that has created. They wanted those two leaders of those countries out of there, and they were able to do so. And Canada must support this action if Canada knows what is best for Canadians. Source: Global Research for one. Sarin would have burned a hole in ISIS's pockets a long time ago. Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) If ISIS has Sarin, why haven't they used it anywhere else? They are getting their butts kicked in Iraq right now, might be a good time if they had it. Edited April 9, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Charlie Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Army Guy said: Conflicting messages....yes because the US is the only one with conflicting messages in today's world...there is no conflicting messages at least from where i am sitting .....The US has every right to set the conditions as to who, is allowed to visit, stay, or apply for immigration, it is not up to the UN or the rest of the world, it is up to the elected government of the US, ..and it can change this at any time for any reason....Where is the Middle East on this issue....Where are the Muslim countries on this issue.....where is the rest of the world on this issue......they have all hoisted the big FU flag.....no muslims allowed......That's not racist is it, do they get the same treatment in our media, shit that would be a clear violation of the islamophobia act.....wouldn't it ...... I'm just guessing here but i'm sure there are not to many Americans losing any sleep over WTF you think of what ever message they are sending out, they want you to hear it....but they don't care what you think..... Must be taking the same classes as the other guy, not so hot..... Thanks God, modern democracies keep army idiots under a leash. Otherwise, these idiots would be running around mindlessly destroying other countries in the name of nationalism. 2 Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Charlie said: Thanks God, modern democracies keep army idiots under a leash. Otherwise, these idiots would be running around mindlessly destroying other countries in the name of nationalism. More like the other way around I think. It's the politicians who make the idiot decisions that result in these messes. 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Army Guy Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Charlie said: Thanks God, modern democracies keep army idiots under a leash. Otherwise, these idiots would be running around mindlessly destroying other countries in the name of nationalism. Yes any man or a women must be an idiot to serve this nation, to answer the call when ever needed. Be it the defense of this nation or it's foreign policy, be it in time of need such as search and rescue, fighting forest fires, floods, or ice storms.....we are the idiots that have never once in our recorded history, failed to come to your aid....we are the same idiots that have died in the thousands to earn the freedoms we have now, we are the idiots that gave birth to this nation on Vimy ridge......We are the same idiots that come from average Canadian families, who are your fathers , mothers, brothers , sisters, aunts. uncles, cousins, friends.....every Canadian knows at least one of us idiots....every town or village has constructed memorials to the idiot citizens that have answered our nations call, everyone of those idiots have their names carved in stone.....for their sacrifice....where is your named carved..... What is sad is today, like yesterday the a lot of Canadians think those veil, disgusting, uncouth, Idiots should be kept in a glass jar, with a huge sign that reads break only in case of emergency..... Not sure what your afraid of, but then again they say you you fear what you know nothing about.....you blame them for all your troubles because once again you know nothing about them....perhaps your jealous, or envious i'm not really sure..... Members in our military walk among us everyday, they are law abiding citizens just like you and me, they love hockey , and everything about Canada.....they pay the same rate of taxes as you and me, they get to vote just like you and me. they have families,children and even friends, go figure, they are Canadian just like you and me.............they have a great interest in how our country is run.....and in return We ask them to forego many of the freedoms me and you have, we ask them to travel to the worlds shit holes and support our nations foreign policies, we ask them to live in conditions not fit for a rat, we ask them to do carry out violence if necessary on our behalf, we ask them to unconditional lay their lives down if necessary ....we ask a lot of these idiots....one would have to ask what is it that you do that puts yourself above these men and women, what is it that you do that gives you the right to judge them as idiots....because in the end we are all the same, Canadians.....but that means nothing to you does it.... Most Canadians such as your self would be hard press to list what our military does for you on a day to day basis.....this is their thanks you have bestowed upon them ...."Thanks God, modern democracies keep army idiots under a leash." because our military has shown time after time again , that it makes lousy foreign policy decisions here in Canada, that we secretively run this nation, that we have a proven record of taken part in coups within our own nation, justing discourse, that we continued to do things that have eroded your trust....Perhaps i may be wrong, it is the Canadian military we are talking about is it not..... I know that you have not taken this course yet, however our nations military is a form of diplomacy that our elected politicians have at their disposal....we don't do anything unless directed by those elected officials... No need to fear our military.....we are not idiots or monsters, you paint us to be....we are Canadians.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 16 hours ago, taxme said: This is just another false flag. Assad had nothing to do with it. So Trump is lying now? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-1=e^ipi Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: we are the idiots that have never once in our recorded history, failed to come to your aid... Lies. I got assaulted once and suffered a concussion. No military came to my aid then. 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: we are the idiots that have never once in our recorded history, failed to come to your aid....we are the same idiots that have died in the thousands to earn the freedoms we have now Then you didn't do a very good job of it since we don't even have freedom of speech in Canada. 2 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said: Lies. I got assaulted once and suffered a concussion. No military came to my aid then. Then you didn't do a very good job of it since we don't even have freedom of speech in Canada. Really can't see that happening , judging by some of your responses here, how could anyone misconstrue your comments then assault you, here in Canada.........i think you were probably talking while you were suppose to be weaving...maybe next time, call it part of the learning curve..... They did a good enough job ,so that people like you could post trash , and then complain about freedom of speech.....your not that guy are you scared of getting picked up by the man, because of what you wrote.....always looking over your shoulder.....you don't hide under you bed, or wet your pants do you..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Wilber said: More like the other way around I think. It's the politicians who make the idiot decisions that result in these messes. He was being somewhat sarcastic, and it's not the politicians calling these shots, it is military brass and intelligence agencies telling Trump what needs to be done. Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: He was being somewhat sarcastic, and it's not the politicians calling these shots, it is military brass and intelligence agencies telling Trump what needs to be done. It's the military telling Trump what can be done, he is the one who decides if something needs to be done. Most problems arise when the military tells the politician something isn't a good idea but the politician wants it done anyway. Either that or the politicians don't think past the military outcome, as in the Iraq war. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 3 hours ago, GostHacked said: He was being somewhat sarcastic, and it's not the politicians calling these shots, it is military brass and intelligence agencies telling Trump what needs to be done. Well, better them than Alex Jones and Brietbart. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, bcsapper said: Sarin would have burned a hole in ISIS's pockets a long time ago. 22 hours ago, Wilber said: If ISIS has Sarin, why haven't they used it anywhere else? They are getting their butts kicked in Iraq right now, might be a good time if they had it. That's somewhat 'begging the question/assuming the answer'. If ISIS has both the chemists and facilities (IF) to brew-up sarin from captured precursors, there's no way to tell if they were ready to launch an attack before now. These are also binary toxins...two relatively safe chemicals mix to produce the final very poisonous result...usually inside a projectile...keeps it freshest...and well the Hell away from your pink bod. Not like Chlorine or Phosgene which is released as-is onto the battlefield. Besides...Obama, Rice and others all assured us there was no more sarin in Syria under Assad's control...thanks to help from their Russian friends. Ooops...let's not go there. Edited April 9, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
taxme Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Wilber said: More like the other way around I think. It's the politicians who make the idiot decisions that result in these messes. Bingo. Politicians "ARE" the problem. Quote
taxme Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes any man or a women must be an idiot to serve this nation, to answer the call when ever needed. Be it the defense of this nation or it's foreign policy, be it in time of need such as search and rescue, fighting forest fires, floods, or ice storms.....we are the idiots that have never once in our recorded history, failed to come to your aid....we are the same idiots that have died in the thousands to earn the freedoms we have now, we are the idiots that gave birth to this nation on Vimy ridge......We are the same idiots that come from average Canadian families, who are your fathers , mothers, brothers , sisters, aunts. uncles, cousins, friends.....every Canadian knows at least one of us idiots....every town or village has constructed memorials to the idiot citizens that have answered our nations call, everyone of those idiots have their names carved in stone.....for their sacrifice....where is your named carved..... What is sad is today, like yesterday the a lot of Canadians think those veil, disgusting, uncouth, Idiots should be kept in a glass jar, with a huge sign that reads break only in case of emergency..... Not sure what your afraid of, but then again they say you you fear what you know nothing about.....you blame them for all your troubles because once again you know nothing about them....perhaps your jealous, or envious i'm not really sure..... Members in our military walk among us everyday, they are law abiding citizens just like you and me, they love hockey , and everything about Canada.....they pay the same rate of taxes as you and me, they get to vote just like you and me. they have families,children and even friends, go figure, they are Canadian just like you and me.............they have a great interest in how our country is run.....and in return We ask them to forego many of the freedoms me and you have, we ask them to travel to the worlds shit holes and support our nations foreign policies, we ask them to live in conditions not fit for a rat, we ask them to do carry out violence if necessary on our behalf, we ask them to unconditional lay their lives down if necessary ....we ask a lot of these idiots....one would have to ask what is it that you do that puts yourself above these men and women, what is it that you do that gives you the right to judge them as idiots....because in the end we are all the same, Canadians.....but that means nothing to you does it.... Most Canadians such as your self would be hard press to list what our military does for you on a day to day basis.....this is their thanks you have bestowed upon them ...."Thanks God, modern democracies keep army idiots under a leash." because our military has shown time after time again , that it makes lousy foreign policy decisions here in Canada, that we secretively run this nation, that we have a proven record of taken part in coups within our own nation, justing discourse, that we continued to do things that have eroded your trust....Perhaps i may be wrong, it is the Canadian military we are talking about is it not..... I know that you have not taken this course yet, however our nations military is a form of diplomacy that our elected politicians have at their disposal....we don't do anything unless directed by those elected officials... No need to fear our military.....we are not idiots or monsters, you paint us to be....we are Canadians.... So, why don't the military people start to defend our Canadian border from all of those criminal illegals that are invading Canada these days. Now that would be the perfect job for the military, and they would be spending our tax dollars more wisely on protecting Canada from those hordes of illegal criminals, and not on foreign wars that are of no benefit to Canada or Canadians. I like the Switzerland model. Stay out of the zionist banksters wars. Works for me. H. Kissinger once referred to military men as "dumb stupid animals". to be used as pawns for foreign policy. What more can be said. This is the words of a scum elite cabal, and what he thinks about the military. Edited April 10, 2017 by taxme Quote
taxme Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Argus said: So Trump is lying now? I don't understand why Trump did this. I think that Trump may have been given false news here created by the zionist controlled media and military that want Assad out of power. But the cabal forgot one thing? They will have to deal with Russia if they keep these false flags going one day. Putin's patience will only go so far, and then those fools will get what they really want. A WW3. The main scream fake media is making a big deal out of this. When that happens then something is not right, and it is for sure that it won't be good for thee and me. The media is full of it. Quote
taxme Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 8 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: Lies. I got assaulted once and suffered a concussion. No military came to my aid then. Then you didn't do a very good job of it since we don't even have freedom of speech in Canada. Unfortunately for people that join the military they have been brainwashed and conditioned in to believing that they are going off to war to fight for freedom. Well, here in Canada we are losing our freedom slowly but surely. These people go off to war to fight for the globalists/corporations who make billions off of war while the soldiers come home injured or dead. There really is no glory in being in the military. The world has had two world wars and numerous other smaller wars, and there is still no peace in the world. H. Kissinger once said that military men "are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy". What more needs to be said about joining the military. 1 Quote
Guest Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, taxme said: Unfortunately for people that join the military they have been brainwashed and conditioned in to believing that they are going off to war to fight for freedom. Well, here in Canada we are losing our freedom slowly but surely. These people go off to war to fight for the globalists/corporations who make billions off of war while the soldiers come home injured or dead. There really is no glory in being in the military. The world has had two world wars and numerous other smaller wars, and there is still no peace in the world. H. Kissinger once said that military men "are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy". What more needs to be said about joining the military. Actually Kissinger is a tw@t, and nothing he has to say is of any relevance whatsoever. I joined the military because I was bored and fat, with no prospects of anything better. Within a short period of time I was no longer bored, fit, and with choices I couldn't have dreamed of before. All it took was to shake off the brainwashing and conditioning that somehow there was something wrong with joining the military. Quote
Wilber Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 37 minutes ago, taxme said: So, why don't the military people start to defend our Canadian border from all of those criminal illegals that are invading Canada these days. Now that would be the perfect job for the military, and they would be spending our tax dollars more wisely on protecting Canada from those hordes of illegal criminals, and not on foreign wars that are of no benefit to Canada or Canadians. I like the Switzerland model. Stay out of the zionist banksters wars. Works for me. So why don't you make the politicians you elected get them to do that? The military follows the orders of of your government, it doesn't give them orders. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
taxme Posted April 10, 2017 Report Posted April 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Actually Kissinger is a tw@t, and nothing he has to say is of any relevance whatsoever. I joined the military because I was bored and fat, with no prospects of anything better. Within a short period of time I was no longer bored, fit, and with choices I couldn't have dreamed of before. All it took was to shake off the brainwashing and conditioning that somehow there was something wrong with joining the military. There are many Canadians who have done quite well for themselves without ever joining the military. If you were bored and fat is because you wanted to be like that. There are many opportunities to do well without having to join the military. Take a trade. Anyone joining the military is going to be brainwashed and conditioned, and made to think that they are going to save the world. No they are not going to save the world or stop future wars. They are most likely going to end up getting injured or killed if they join the military. Quote
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