betsy Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation. How can He not? If He was the One who designed and created....of course, He knows everything about it! The heading of the beginning of the Bible, is about........ the beginning. It simply states: The Beginning The very first statement of the Old Testament - Genesis 1 - is an official declaration by the Creator.Genesis 1 The Beginning 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That first statement informs us that: 1. the universe had a beginning 2. it was Created 3. the Creator is God. God of Abraham. The Biblical God. Well... thanks to science, we do know now that the universe had indeed a beginning! The Big Bang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) No one can dismiss the possibility of creation by God. To do so would be insensible. Science does not dismiss the possibility of creation by God. Atheists mistakenly point to science as their basis. No, you can't. Science does not give any support to the assumption that God does not exists. Edited April 1, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 What was God before the Beginning? Did He exist at all or was He formed along with the Creation He Created? Science would suggest there is no evidence of things existing before things existed so maybe He Is Creation Itself? That seems redundant though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: What was God before the Beginning? Did He exist at all or was He formed along with the Creation He Created? Science would suggest there is no evidence of things existing before things existed so maybe He Is Creation Itself? That seems redundant though. I'm giving the evidences that support His existence. Your questions demand assumptive responses....so, I wouldn't respond to them. Edited April 1, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) Btw, I created this thread for the simple reason that atheists have been dismissing the possibility of God. Let me just deal a factual blow to atheism, just so to get it out of the way: atheism contradicts its own worldview by believing the universe has a natural cause despite the lack of observational evidence for such a belief. On the other hand.....from nothing to something.... Quote The Big Bang theory is one of the most strongly supported theories in all of science. It explains the observed facts; it has made successful predictions; it has stood the test of time; and there is no alternate theory that the professional scientific community deems valid. New observations could always cause the Big Bang theory to be abandoned, but that is not likely. Scientists have a theory of why the sky is blue. One day you could wake up to find the sky is green and the "blue-sky theory" was wrong, but that's not likely to happen either. It is likely that the Big Bang theory will take on additional add-on ideas, or models, to explain more than it currently explains. https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/site/faq.html Edited April 1, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) There's no evidence that God exists. ZERO. There's as much chance the universe was created by some extra-universal alien species as it was created by "God", or was created by a group of 6 Gods, or 100 Gods. It's completely illogical to believe the universe was created by a "God" as portrayed in the Bible because there's zero evidence for it. The fact is, we don't know how it began. To believe God created the universe is simply to believe in the fairy tales that were brainwashed into us as children. The fact that science can't disprove God created the universe is in no way any evidence that God did create it. Edited April 1, 2017 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, BubberMiley said: What was God before the Beginning? Did He exist at all or was He formed along with the Creation He Created? Science would suggest there is no evidence of things existing before things existed so maybe He Is Creation Itself? That seems redundant though. I believe the bible teaches us that God always existed. The bible says God is a spirit. The bible tells us God is eternal, omnipresent (exists everywhere), and omniscient (infinite in knowledge), and infinite in power. He exists in a trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but as one God. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 FINE-TUNING, is another evidence. The consistency of the physical law of the universe is evidence for having been planned/designed, and put in place. We have just the right laws of physics,too. Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: There's no evidence that God exists. ZERO. The creation of the universe is absolute evidence, proof, whatever you want to call it. The complexity and laws of physics, the minutest particles making up the atoms, molecules, everything cannot have come into existence without a divine creator who designed it and brought it into being. There is no other viable explanation. Even great scientists like Isaac Newton believed in God. Science is not infallible either. Theories about things have often been found later to be incorrect and have been discarded. Theories such as the sun revolves around the earth, the cause of fire were discarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 5 hours ago, betsy said: Atheists mistakenly point to science as their basis. No, you can't. Excuse me but, would you please return my free will. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Excuse me but, would you please return my free will. Thanks. So, on what ground do you stake your belief that there is no possibility to the existence of God/supernatural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eyeball Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: So, on what ground do you stake your belief that there is no possibility to the existence of God/supernatural? It's none of your business. On what grounds do you, or God for that matter, get off telling me what I can and can't do? I have a better question, does God believe in me? Prove it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Of course, the best evidence of all is the personal experience that billions of people share as testimony through the ages, as how the living God had touched their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 That's not evidence that's just your opinion. I'm of the opinion that what these billions of people actually felt were a rush of endorphins from the central nervous system and likely triggered by intense emotions and other psychogenic phenomenon. Everyone experiences these at various and usually challenging or troubling times in their lives. It's entirely natural and measurable by science. These sorts of sensations can also be exacerbated by delusions and hallucinations which can manifest as a sensation of being touched along with auditory and visual hallucinations people commonly report experiencing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, betsy said: FINE-TUNING, is another evidence. The consistency of the physical law of the universe is evidence for having been planned/designed, and put in place. We have just the right laws of physics,too. Of course. Why did this supernatural creature sit around for, who knows, how many septillions of milleniums before he thought one "day" [what could a day have been?, "gee, I think I'm gonna make an Adam and Eve, when we all know it was Lucy and her "no good fer nuttin', chasing other ape like creatures" man whose name is lost in antiquity, whatever antiquity meant to this god who hadn't ever made anything. Where did he live if there was nothing? What was his house made of? Did he opt for a Trump mansion? Or did he figger, no, that would be screwing with the space time continuum? Edited April 2, 2017 by hot enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 8 hours ago, betsy said: The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation. How can He not? If He was the One who designed and created....of course, He knows everything about it! How come he didn't tell folks about it? Why did he let his god like creatures sit around in a state of abysmal ignorance for so long? Why did this all loving what just happen to bestow his bible and his blessings on a certain narrow group of the world's, creatures, his creations? Why did humans decide that he, the sexist he, had made humans in his image. There are lots of other creatures that are much more beautiful, why wouldn't he, hse, pick a beautiful animal instead of ugly humans? If hse is all everything good, why did he pick the oooglies as his children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 hours ago, betsy said: Of course, the best evidence of all is the personal experience that billions of people share as testimony through the ages, as how the living God had touched their lives. They're just scared shitless of death so they make up various story's to try to alleviate that fear. And of course millions got and get killed along the way. There ain't no god. When you die, you die. Ashes to ashes and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) "All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;" - The Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 10 X. Effectual Calling. See bible, Romans 9:16, 9:18 Salvation is entirely a work of God. This tells us man by his nature is born in a state of sin and death and is in rebellion against God. But God works through his Spirit and his written Word in the human heart and causes them to believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation. Praise God! Edited April 2, 2017 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, blackbird said: This tells us man by his nature is born in a state of sin and death and is in rebellion against God. The very people that are made in his [sexist devil] image are "born in a state of sin and death and is in rebellion against God". Why wouldn't such a perfect creature wipe us all out and start over again? How could a perfect creature who is all knowing and all seeing have set in place such a monstrous mess? How do so many people get so badly duped? One only has to look at "[unspeakable date]" to see that. Edited April 2, 2017 by hot enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 9 hours ago, betsy said: I'm giving the evidences that support His existence. Not not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, hot enough said: The very people that are made in his [sexist devil] image are "born in a state of sin and death and is in rebellion against God". Why wouldn't such a perfect creature wipe us all out and start over again? How could a perfect creature who is all knowing and all seeing have set in place such a monstrous mess? How do so many people get so badly duped? One only has to look at "[unspeakable date]" to see that. Are you speaking against God? The world is a mess because your first parents, Adam and Eve, were deceived by the serpent and rebelled against God in eating the forbidden fruit. Thus they received a fallen state which is passed upon all their descendents. So everyone is born in a fallen state. That's why the world is a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, blackbird said: Are you speaking against God? Nope, that is impossible to do. One can't speak against that which doesn't exist. Why would a real god pick a couple of western names that hadn't even been invented yet? Why would he [sexist -how can a god be so sexist] pick two whiteys when that isn't at all likely? When the two baddies were booted out did they land in Africa and turn black? The rest of that nonsensical story also makes no sense. But have at 'er, live a life of delusion. Edited April 2, 2017 by hot enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, hot enough said: Nope, that is impossible to do. Why would a real god pick a couple of western names that hadn't even been invented yet? The rest of that nonsensical story also makes no sense. But have at 'er, live a life of delusion. God is a person albeit divine. He thinks, acts, etc. So yes, it is possible to say or act against God. What do you mean western names? It's not nonsensical. It's not that complicated. Why reject the chance of eternal life? Life is short and we don't know if or when God will give us a chance to live forever with him. Edited April 2, 2017 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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