Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dialamah said: Well, no, that's not what it means. It's what certain groups want you to think it means. Phobia - an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something. (Google). A persistent, abnormal, or irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid the feared stimulus. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion. (Dictionary.com) an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation (Merriam Webster) Islam - self explanatory, I'm assuming. Islamaphobia - Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. (Oxford Dictionary) Hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture (Dictionary.com) irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam (Merriam Webster) "Women are treated like shit in Muslim countries, because of Sharia law! If Muslims come to Canada, we'll have Sharia law and our women will have to wear bedsheets!" - Islamaphobic statement. "Islam is a patriarchal religion that does not support or encourage equality for women; it should be the goal of Muslim religious and political leaders to lead the way in implementing and supporting equality for women." Critical of Islam, but not Islamaphobic "Muslims practice FGM because Islam is a barbaric, misogynistic cult. If we let them into Canada, they will want all women to undergo FGM. How can you possibly accept that?" - Islamaphobic statement "FGM is an abhorrent and dangerous cultural practice that is thought to have originated in Egypt, and predates both Islam and Christianity and is still in wide practice today in the Middle East and parts of Africa, by Muslims, Christians and other native religions, despite laws against it. It is especially concerning that some immigrants to Western countries bring that practice with them and more needs to be done to protect women and girls" - Criticism of FGM, noting that it's not an "Islamic" practice, but a cultural one. "Muslims want to impose Sharia law all over the world! We must protect ourselves!" - Islamaphobic statement "There are a variety of forms of Sharia law in Muslim-majority countries. Some countries have both legal and criminal Sharia law systems; others only apply Sharia law for family/civil matters, while secular law is used for criminal matters. Some countries only apply Sharia law to their Muslim citizens while non-Muslims are subject to secular law, and some have a completely secular system applicable to Muslims and non-Muslims alike." - Factual statement Quite a few people assume that a statement which paints Islam and Muslims in the worst possible light must be correct and anyone who provides information or a viewpoint which suggests that maybe there's more to the story is dismissed as someone who's an Islam 'apologist' or won't have a 'rational' discussion about the perils of Islam. When I see that pattern repeated by someone, then I would consider them an Islamaphobe. Well at least now we know. See how easy it is. What about "Some Muslims want to impose Sharia law all over the world. There might come a day when we have to protect ourselves."? And other variants on the examples you gave? Edited March 10, 2017 by bcsapper Quote
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Well at least now we know. See how easy it is. What about "Some Muslims want to impose Sharia law all over the world. There might come day when we have to protect ourselves."? And other variants on the examples you gave.? "Some Russians want to take over our Arctic. There might come a day when we have to protect ourselves." "Some Americans want to take our water. There might come a day when we have to protect ourselves." What other threats should we worry about right now? Quote
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: "Some Russians want to take over our Arctic. There might come a day when we have to protect ourselves." "Some Americans want to take our water. There might come a day when we have to protect ourselves." What other threats should we worry about right now? Does the level of worry matter? Both your statements there are true. Except maybe the "our Arctic". I don't know that it's necessarily ours. I think mine was more true though. Edited March 10, 2017 by bcsapper Quote
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Does the level of worry matter? Both your statements there are true. Except maybe the "our Arctic". I don't know that it's necessarily ours. We laid claim, Russia doesn't agree. But we may have to defend it for our future economic security, or something like that. There are many reasons we may have to defend ourselves from any number of people or events. For me, climate change is a bigger threat than the possibility of Sharia law, but oddly some of the people most afraid of Muslims and Islam are absolutely unfazed about climate change. I mean, if I had to choose between an extinction event involving humans and living under Sharia law, I'd choose Sharia law. I wonder if someone will come along and copy/manipulate my words above so that it looks like I would like to live under Sharia law? Hmmmm .... 1 1 Quote
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: We laid claim, Russia doesn't agree. But we may have to defend it for our future economic security, or something like that. There are many reasons we may have to defend ourselves from any number of people or events. For me, climate change is a bigger threat than the possibility of Sharia law, but oddly some of the people most afraid of Muslims and Islam are absolutely unfazed about climate change. I mean, if I had to choose between an extinction event involving humans and living under Sharia law, I'd choose Sharia law. I wonder if someone will come along and copy/manipulate my words above so that it looks like I would like to live under Sharia law? Hmmmm .... Well sure, but if I had to choose between extinction and living under a Trump presidency for the rest of my life, extinction comes in a remote second. It doesn't speak volumes for Sharia. As for Arctic, it's theirs as much as ours I guess. Quote
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Well sure, but if I had to choose between extinction and living under a Trump presidency for the rest of my life, extinction comes in a remote second. It doesn't speak volumes for Sharia. As for Arctic, it's theirs as much as ours I guess. So ... Trump Presidency or Sharia Law? Quote
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: So ... Trump Presidency or Sharia Law? I would probably thrive more under Trump, being an Atheist and all. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I would probably thrive more under Trump, being an Atheist and all. Phobias against the Americans and their culture is a Canadian value, except for those who move to the United States. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Phobias against the Americans and their culture is a Canadian value, except for those who move to the United States. There should be a motion... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said: There should be a motion... Islamophobia bad.... Americaphobia good ! Maybe supporting the loss of expression rights in Canada is a way to "just say no" to American style freedoms. Edited March 10, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 7 hours ago, dialamah said: We laid claim, Russia doesn't agree. But we may have to defend it for our future economic security, or something like that. There are many reasons we may have to defend ourselves from any number of people or events. For me, climate change is a bigger threat than the possibility of Sharia law, but oddly some of the people most afraid of Muslims and Islam are absolutely unfazed about climate change. I mean, if I had to choose between an extinction event involving humans and living under Sharia law, I'd choose Sharia law. I wonder if someone will come along and copy/manipulate my words above so that it looks like I would like to live under Sharia law? Hmmmm .... Linda Sarsour is quite the lady, eh? She gives us similar choices: hugging a hand grenade or Sharia! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BillyBeaver Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Climate change isn't going to oppress women, behead infidels, or throw homosexuals off of roofs. Quote
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BillyBeaver said: Climate change isn't going to oppress women, behead infidels, or throw homosexuals off of roofs. No, but it is going to force more people into a smaller space, with fewer resources to go around. If those people don't get along anyway, that doesn't bode well. Quote
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Linda Sarsour is quite the lady, eh? She gives us similar choices: hugging a hand grenade or Sharia! WTF are you talking about? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: WTF are you talking about? Just because you're not up to speed doesn't make the comment off base: Linda Sarsour made similar comments re: Sharia being the logical choice for Western women...great minds think alike, I suppose. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Just because you're not up to speed doesn't make the comment off base: Linda Sarsour made similar comments re: Sharia being the logical choice for Western women...great minds think alike, I suppose. Oh I see - I said that if given a choice, I'd choose Sharia over the human race dying due to climate change! Of course, my comment and Sarsour's (whatever it was) are just exactly the same. I suppose then, that when you use all the same passages, hadiths and interpretations that ISIS and other terrorist groups use to explain Islam, we should understand that you are recruiting for them. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Perhaps it is because ISIS and other terrorists have a much larger voice, not to mention groups of muslims in europe and the US who are actively seeking sharia law, when it comes to describing Islam to westerns...It is not enough for a few muslims to stand up and denounce them.....what is needed is for entire nations to stand up and put an end to these groups.....actions speak stronger than words.....But perhaps it is these nations that are supporting these fringe groups.....Making our fears true.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
PIK Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) ... Edited March 10, 2017 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Oh I see - I said that if given a choice, I'd choose Sharia over the human race dying due to climate change! Of course, my comment and Sarsour's (whatever it was) are just exactly the same. I suppose then, that when you use all the same passages, hadiths and interpretations that ISIS and other terrorist groups use to explain Islam, we should understand that you are recruiting for them. You're free to pretend I wrote the Quran. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to pretend I wrote the Quran. You are free to use the same interpretation of the Quran as does ISIS and other Islamic terorrist groups. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: You are free to use the same interpretation of the Quran as does ISIS and other Islamic terorrist groups. There is but one Quran. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Perhaps it is because ISIS and other terrorists have a much larger voice, not to mention groups of muslims in europe and the US who are actively seeking sharia law, when it comes to describing Islam to westerns...It is not enough for a few muslims to stand up and denounce them.....what is needed is for entire nations to stand up and put an end to these groups.....actions speak stronger than words.....But perhaps it is these nations that are supporting these fringe groups.....Making our fears true.... If you believe, without question, every anti-Muslim story that comes out... For instance you say that 'groups of muslims in europe and the US who are actively seeking sharia law', but fail to include the information that these groups ask for sharia law for *themselves only* and only for civil/family matters. it's a very limited application of sharia law that has already been in place in many parts of the world for decades; it's not a desire to impose sharia on everyone in the country. Now, whether or not we should allow special laws for a particular group is a valid question, IMO. Why can't we discuss that? Why can't we discuss the facts instead of the hysteria? Edited March 10, 2017 by dialamah Quote
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: There is but one Quran. Once again, you are free to interpret it in any way you choose - even if you are parroting ISIS. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Once again, you are free to interpret it in any way you choose - even if you are parroting ISIS. There is only one Quran. It's the same one ISIS and your sister use. https://quran.com/ 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted March 10, 2017 Report Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: There is only one Quran. It's the same one ISIS and your sister use. https://quran.com/ Yes it is. And you interpret it the same way as does ISIS, while my sister interprets it in an entirely different way. Quote
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