betsy Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Sanity Eh? Inviting everyone fleeing persecution, terror and war to come to Canada....you call that sane? With just 22 refugees coming to Manitba is called a crisis, and here he is inviting millions! He sounded like he was smoking too much pot when he tweeted that nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It is not juvenile at all, otherwise strict trade protocols would not be negotiated. President Trump and others have explicitly expressed a desire for policies that favour the U.S. and American workers more compared to the past. I can certainly understand that Trump and others want to get out of disadvantageous trade deals generating gigantic and persistent trade deficits. The key difference is that the US exports just as much as it imports with Canada, suggesting Canada-US free trade has been beneficial overall for American workers. This is especially true if you consider what sort of resources and materials are being exchanged. Canada is likely importing more value-added/labor-intensive goods from the US than vice-versa. 54 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: A trade war would hurt and help the U.S. in the long term, spurring more domestic investment in manufacturing and services. President Trump's trade strategies include reductions in corporate taxes, deregulation, and leverage against currency manipulation. Trump has already challenged the TPP/NAFTA status quo, and was rewarded for it. U.S. politicians don't get votes by protecting Canadian jobs. Trump's tax and deregulation strategies are none of Canada's business. If he wants to try to make the US a more competitive place to do business, good for him! As for a trade war with Canada, no, it wouldn't help the US long term. The effects would be mirrored on both sides, with both countries placing restrictions on goods flowing across the border, and both looking to develop their own manufacturing capacity. Long term, all you'd have is less specialization and efficiency across the continent and the overall net effect would be negative on both sides. This is ECON 101. The Canada-US trade situation is fairly unique because you have two countries very similar in culture, Law, living standards and values. A Canadian manufacturer can't escape paying decent wages by moving a factory to the US nor can the reverse happen. That's not true with Mexico or China, but by all means, show us how you're going to continue to grow those trade balances without running deeper and deeper trade deficits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: ...The Canada-US trade situation is fairly unique because you have two countries very similar in culture, Law, living standards and values. A Canadian manufacturer can't escape paying decent wages by moving a factory to the US nor can the reverse happen. That's not true with Mexico or China, but by all means, show us how you're going to continue to grow those trade balances without running deeper and deeper trade deficits. How much capital investment has Canada made in the United States compared to U.S. investment in Canada ? Fact: Canada's share of U.S. imports is going down. The U.S. has more options than Canada, and a lot more investment capital. Mexicans and Hispanics matter far more to U.S. human capital than Canadians. There is nothing special about Canada any more....compete or be left behind. The U.S. doesn't owe Canada a strong economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: How much capital investment has Canada made in the United States compared to U.S. investment in Canada ? I don't know, why don't you tell me? While you're at it, tell me how it helps determine why it would be a good idea to disrupt Canada-US trade. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Fact: Canada's share of U.S. imports is going down. The U.S. has more options than Canada, and a lot more investment capital. It also has a bigly military, a yuge population, and the best words. Tell us how any of this suggests a positive outcome for starting a trade dispute with Canada. So far you've failed miserably. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Mexicans and Hispanics matter far more to U.S. human capital than Canadians. and you're apparently building a wall to keep them out. Brilliant. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: There is nothing special about Canada any more....compete or be left behind. The U.S. doesn't owe Canada a strong economy. Compete or be left behind? Is that why President Trump is intent on scrapping Free Trade deals? Because US labor is so competitive with Chinese and Mexican "human capital"? Are you even giving these comments a whiff of thought before barfing them out on your keyboard? Edited February 10, 2017 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: ....Are you even giving these comments a whiff of thought before barfing them out on your keyboard? My keyboard doesn't matter....and neither does yours. The United States will choose to change or scrap NAFTA because it wants to pursue U.S. interests, and no amount of whining from Canadians who think they are special will change this reality. Dependence on the U.S. has been normalized so long in Canada that any change is perceived as an "existential threat" to Canada's economy. Canadians can do what they always do in protest...boycott ketchup. Edited February 10, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Canada was in trouble long before President Trump came along to attack NAFTA and TPP: Quote The election of President Trump and the potential imposition of border taxes and other protectionist measures is clearly of great concern to Canadian exporters, the workers they employ and the communities they support. This underlines just how much NAFTA and the wider liberalization of trade with rising economic powers such as China have shaped our economy and made us highly vulnerable to forces outside our control. The Canada-US Free Trade Agreement (CUFTA) led to even closer economic integration with the United States on both the export and import side and facilitated cross border investment. This was expected to enhance productivity and boost living standards. The reality was different. Since the late 1980s, Canadian productivity growth has been dismal, especially as compared to the United States; our dependency upon exports of resources and raw materials, especially energy, has greatly increased; and the growth of the “knowledge based” economy based on advanced manufacturing and high value business services has been relatively weak compared to the United States and other advanced industrial countries despite enhanced market access. ...The key point is that Canada is already in big trouble when it comes to trade, and that we are indeed highly vulnerable to any attempt by the new Trump administration to re-balance manufacturing trade within North America via new border taxes and other “protectionist” measures. ...Our trade situation was a serious problem long before the election of Donald Trump and new realities will demand a serious re-thinking of the liberal trade and industrial policies of the “free trade” era and not just more of the same. http://www.broadbentinstitute.ca/andrew_ajackson/life_after_nafta Edited February 10, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 hours ago, betsy said: Apparently, Shinzo Abe of Japan shares some ideology with Trump, which includes his views on immigration. I guess that's why their population is getting so old especially working age people, and therefore the economic future looks dicey. So you reckon that Trump get the US in the race to the bottom? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Quote On Friday, an NDP MP urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to raise Aber’s case with Trump when the two leaders have their first meeting on Monday. “Our prime minister needs to speak with Donald Trump when they meet next week and say that a Canadian, born in Canada, who happens to be of another faith, a Muslim faith, does not need a visa to go to the United States,” Murray Rankin told reporters in Ottawa. “There’s not a rule for Muslims and a rule for other Canadians. It’s shocking, and we need the government to start taking action.” “There’s not a rule for Muslims and a rule for other Canadians. It’s shocking, and we need the government to start taking action.” http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/10/quebec-student-athlete-with-moroccan-roots-claims-he-was-denied-us-entry Who's this NDP MP? I'd just like for Trudeau to dictate that to Trump! Edited February 11, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Canadians can be denied entry at the U.S. border for any reason...or no reason at all. Somebody should tell Canada's prime minister how that works. He ain't too bright.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 At this rate not many canadians would want to visit the US... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Canadian illegals won't go home....they are the largest number of illegal visa overstays. Snowbirds are worried about a closed border. Hate the U.S.....love the U.S. weather ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian illegals won't go home....they are the largest number of illegal visa overstays. Snowbirds are worried about a closed border. Hate the U.S.....love the U.S. weather ! Love the US, love the weather but little can be said about certain ignorant ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Canada is a huge country with lots of open land, but every year hundreds of thousands of Canadians cross the U.S. border to stay long time. Must be something about the U.S. that really attracts them, and makes many of them illegally overstay. I wonder if Trump will discuss this topic with Trudeau. Why don't some Canadians want to go home ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada is a huge country with lots of open land, but every year hundreds of thousands of Canadians cross the U.S. border to stay long time. Must be something about the U.S. that really attracts them, and makes many of them illegally overstay. I wonder if Trump will discuss this topic with Trudeau. Why don't some Canadians want to go home ? Canadian citizens can travel wherever they like to go. It's not their problem they have now to deal with draconian measures of a Orange Oligarch who is unfit to run as a president and does not accept the rule of law... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Canadians cannot legally overstay their visits to evil America, but every year thousands do. Hate America....Love America. Would make a great book or movie ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadians can be denied entry at the U.S. border for any reason...or no reason at all. Somebody should tell Canada's prime minister how that works. He ain't too bright.... Furthermore, as explained by a legal expert on one of the news channels - you don't have any so-called rights when you're seeking to enter the USA. Yes, they can demand to get your password to check out your cell phone. The only right a Canadian has at the border, is to exercise her right to choose. Either comply, or don't go. Edited February 11, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) The warmth and "playfulness" of this handshake will no doubt become the meter to gauge the meeting between Trudeau and Trump on Monday. Edited February 11, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, betsy said: The warmth and "playfulness" of this handshake will no doubt become the meter to gauge the meeting between Trudeau and Trump on Monday. That wasn't warm, it was plain awkward. Warmth is something natural, that was forced. Donald and Abe are not bro's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ?Impact said: That wasn't warm, it was plain awkward. Warmth is something natural, that was forced. Donald and Abe are not bro's. It was natural. There was playfulness about it. Even the facial expression of Abe after the very long handshake was comical. It shows he's at eased with Trump. Edited February 11, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: Even the facial expression of Abe after the very long handshake was comical. Have you ever lived in or visited Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ?Impact said: Have you ever lived in or visited Japan? Irrelevant. Quote Trump welcomes Abe with warm White House embrace President Donald Trump welcomed Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe with a brotherly hug and warm words of admiration, as he ditched previously hard-charging rhetoric toward Tokyo during a White House summit. Trump praised his guest's "strong hands," the pair's "very, very good chemistry" and rolled out a White House military honor guard Friday in a remarkable public display of diplomatic affection. "When I greeted him today at the car," Trump said after an Oval Office meeting, "I shook hands, but I grabbed him and hugged him, because that's the way we feel." The odd political couple had lunch at the White House before heading to Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida for further talks and a round of golf on Saturday. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-welcomes-abe-white-house-talks-171941165.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 I'd say the facial expression after the handshake showed a combo of embarrassed despair and relief to have finally gotten his hand back. Trump overdid trying to convince the audience he had a friendly foreign leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I'd say the facial expression after the handshake showed a combo of embarrassed despair and relief to have finally gotten his hand back. Trump overdid trying to convince the audience he had a friendly foreign leader. You're missing the point. Trudeau will be in the shoes of Abe on Monday. Let's hope Trump shows the same kind of reception that's been publicly shown to Abe. Of course, without the golfing in Mar-a-Lago. This coming meeting will also be compared to the meeting between Trudeau and Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, betsy said: Irrelevant. It is very relevant to understand cultural differences and be aware how uncomfortable that awkward moment was. I expect you could probably find that same expression on the face of the ladies after Trump's awkward foreplay, right before he grabbed their .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ?Impact said: It is very relevant to understand cultural differences and be aware how uncomfortable that awkward moment was. I expect you could probably find that same expression on the face of the ladies after Trump's awkward foreplay, right before he grabbed their .... Did you see how long that handshake was?? Abe is very diplomatic. I know cultural differences - Japanese tend to be reserved! That's why it's out of characted for Abe to put a face like that. He's trying to be playful too. I have a Japanese living in my house right now! Abe wouldn't sour up a budding good relationship with USA - and fail his own mission! That comical face was put on deliberately in jest. Edited February 11, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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