"The Problem Of Blackness"

[betsy]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

Bigotry and hatred is on the rise all over the world against the Caucasian race. White people are starting to be hated just for being white. And the sad part about it all is that many brainwashed white fools believe the fake media that white people are the problem, not the solution. The Caucasian race has been led to believe that they are the problem as to why non-whites cannot make it in a white world. Yet, it is the white world that is letting in hundreds of millions of non-whites into their countries. Some racist people, eh? I watch our BC local news channels and I am starting to see more non-whites reporting the news than white people are. It has too come down to where white people must begin to unite as a people and a race if they want to survive as a people. Now we know some will call that racism but nothing knew here. Those are the white haters saying that. They need to be ignored. 

This is why I call myself a pro-white activist. I want to expose the anti-white bigotry and racism going on and what is happening to the Caucasian people who are on a racial suicidal course if they don't soon wake up. It is madness, and the white people will not do or say anything about it. I guess that they are afraid of being called that a racist which always will shut them up. They have become wimps and cowards and a bunch of politically correct zombies, and their children and grandchildren will pay for their cowardice big time. In some countries in Europe they are starting to wake up. Will that happen in Canada? I guess only time will tell. Best not too wait too much longer. Time is flying by.  

 

 

Racism is everywhere.  

 

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Racism in the Arab world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Arab_world

 

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Asian Racism: Cold Truths Are Beginning to Surface

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/15/opinion/15iht-eddi.html

[betsy]

13 hours ago, hernanday said:

 

The concept of whiteness was invented to discriminate against people classified as non-white.  Are you aware that many groups we now think of white were classified as non-white historically?

 

Oh boy.....what cockamamie bs our youth eat these days......

 

Go back to your so-called academia guru and give him this.   Practically every race have their own legends about races.  And you say the concept of white was only invented????

 

 

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The human race, according to a Chinese legend, was created by a divine potter who left his clay figure of a man too long in the kiln. When it came out burned and black, he threw it away as far as he could - and it landed in Africa. The second one he pulled out too soon: It was too white. So he threw that one away, more gently, and it landed in Europe. Now he knew the correct timing. The third man was a gorgeous yellow, and from him the East Asian races descended.

 

Such fanciful tales are found in many cultures. They assert the primitive, if understandable, proposition that one's own skin color is best. Until recently, many white Westerners have presumed that they are more guilty of such racial prejudices than are the other races of Asia and Africa.

 

Research is only now showing what Westerners living in the Third World had guessed: that the formation of racial perceptions, stereotypes and prejudices is common to all civilizations.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/15/opinion/15iht-eddi.html

Edited December 27, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

13 hours ago, hernanday said:

What fact, which fact, what specific facts and of what nature?

 Definitely, not yours. 

 

....as shown above.

Edited December 27, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

13 hours ago, hernanday said:

Sure but he is trying to move away from a historical fact that white race (not the skin, not the color) but the idea, was constructed for the sole purpose of spreading racist policies and racially discriminating against non-white people, specifically african americans, black indians and red indians. and later expanded to yellow and brown races.

 

 

FALSE!

You don't know squat about "historical!"

 

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One of the earlier uses of the concept of "black" as a metaphor for race was first used at the end of the 17th century when a French doctor named François Bernier (1625–1688), an early proponent of scientific racism, divided up humanity based on facial appearance and body type. He proposed four categories: Europeans, Far Easterners, Lapps, and Blacks.^[2]

The first major scientific model was created in the 18th century when Carl Linnaeus recognized four main races: Europeanus which he labeled the white race, Asiaticus, which he labeled the yellow race, Americanus, which he labeled the red race, and Africanus, which he labeled the black race.^[3] By adding the brown race, which he called "Malay" for Polynesians, Melanesians of Pacific Islands, and aborigines of Australia,^[4]

 

Two historical anthropologists favored a binary racial classification system that divided people into a light skin and dark skin categories. 18th-century anthropologist Christoph Meiners, who first defined the Caucasian race, posited a "binary racial scheme" of two races with the Caucasian whose racial purity was exemplified by the "venerated... ancient Germans", although he considered some Europeans as impure "dirty whites"; and "Mongolians", who consisted of everyone else.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_terminology_for_race

Edited December 27, 2016 by betsy

[Hal 9000]

There should be a course "the problem with white women".

[kimmy]

7 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

There should be a course "the problem with white women".

What's in the syllabus, professor?

 -k

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, kimmy said:

What's in the syllabus, professor?

 -k

Well, we can start off with their "privilege".

[H10]

19 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Oh give me a break.  Caucasians are called "white" and Africans are called "black" people.  "Whiteness" it's very obviously referring to the colour of the skin.  It's a racial term.  The course isn't called "the problem with western civilization".  If you want to talk about "whiteness", which is defined as "the state of being white", but want to redefine the term "whiteness" to focus almost entirely on the oppressive power relations white people perpetrate and then devote an entire academic topic of study to this...then yes it's a racist term, or at least it's being dealt with in a racist way.  If you want to study "whiteness", then study all that it means to be "white", whatever the heck that means.

Whiteness cannot refer to skin color, because the same groups whiteness changes over time.  Irish, Germans, Finns, Portuguese, Italians, Slavs, French and so on where viewed as non-whites by white society in the American context at some point in time.  Unless it is your argument that in the recent past these people were all non-white, your argument doesn't hold.  Whiteness is not about skin color but behaviour, treatment and access to resources.  Western civilization has little to do with whiteness.  The question is what is being white?  And the fact that so many misunderstand what it is, is precisely why it needs to be studied.  Who says they aren't studying all what is means to "be white".

[H10]

19 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is a vile and completely unproveable claim. Do you think all gay people are promiscuous and all asians are good at math too?

You are comparing stereotypes, to facts.  It is a fact that all white people are participating in white supremacy, either actively or inactively, passively or progressively.

 

19 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I can tell you that I've NEVER met any race or ethnic group that didn't have a significant portion of racists among them  The reason why white racists are focused on as the major problem is because they're the majority in western countries like Canada & the US, and therefore have the most power...and that power has been used by many whites to oppress other racial minorities.  White majority countries have in modern historically been the most powerful in the world, so when European technology advanced to the point where inter-continental travel became possible in the 15th century and different societies ("races") began to interact far more, it was the white European countries who colonized and oppressed the non-white countries.  But I can virtually assure you that if Africans or Asians or native americans had the huge dominance in technology Europeans had in the 15th century they would have colonized and conquered and committed mass murder too.  That's not to excuse in any way the terrible things a lot of white people throughout history have done to oppress other races/socities, it's just to say that racism is a human problem we all need to overcome, not just a white problem.

You are using the term racist as a synonymous of bigotry. It is not really a correct use, it is a layman's use, and common use, but when you start off wrong, you will end up wrong.

Your comment is silly because it erroneously assumes Europeans were somehow the first people with dominant technologies to encounter other peoples.  africans had been trading with the indians and chinese from the bc period and sending large fleets back and forth between the two groups.  At one point you had a chinese trader and explorer show up in kilwa with 30,000 soldiers and behaved peacefully.  At another point mansa musa of mali travelled into asia with 150,000 soldiers and a tremendous technological advantage and didn't hurt a fly.

Racism is not a "human problem" it has the potential to be, as of now, and as of the creation of race in the 1600s and 1700s, racism has been an exclusive problem tied to the fabricated white identity.  Even in the 1400s you had europeans travelling but you did not have racism, the concept of race was nations, and each nation was a race.  Hence they'd speak of the scottish race or spanish race etc.  Now bigotry is a human problem, but racism is the exclusive domain of the invention called whiteness.

[H10]

18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Basically true.

Absolutely false.

What is the parallel?

[Guest]

Yeah, I remember the Japanese went into Nanking and didn't hurt a fly. Oh wait, they did. Must have been white. 

[H10]

14 hours ago, betsy said:

If you say there's no white skin, how can you say there are non-whites? If white doesn't exist, there wouldn't be non-whites!  Gee.....what source are you using?  What so-called academia guru are you listening to?

Indians called them, "paleface,"  to distinguish from North American Indians.

I suppose Indians were indoctrinated to your so-called concept, and they used that classification, so they can discriminate against themselves?

What could be categorized as "white" may have shifted and changed, however obviously, there are still non-whites. 

Given time, maybe someday there wouldn't be any white (and non-white for that matter).

But all that's irrelevant to the issue that, there is an agenda to strip white folks of their identity. 

 

That would be like saying if there are no fruits made from dragons, how can you say non-dragon fruits? If fruits made of dragons don't exist, the fruits made not of dragons don't exist. Whiteness is not about skin color, it is a fabicated social class.  Non-whites are people who have typically non-pink skin and are classed outside of the social class.

Paleface, not white face. Pink is paler than red indian!

The fact that the categorization of whites can change, shows that whites are not being described for their physical nature but rather something social.  Unless you are trying to say that portuguese born in 1910 raced magically shifted in mass by the 1960s?

No one is arguing about European cultural identities, you can be as Italian, French, Spanard, british as you want to be.

[H10]

14 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Oh boy.....what cockamamie bs our youth eat these days......

Go back to your so-called academia guru and give him this.   Practically every race have their own legends about races.  And you say the concept of white was only invented????

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/15/opinion/15iht-eddi.html

Did white people live in ancient china?  Did they classify themselves as white?

[kimmy]

4 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Well, we can start off with their "privilege".

This sounds tremendously fascinating. I assume I'm in for a list of examples borrowed from "Men's Rights Advocates" and "Involuntary Celibates".

 -k

[Bryan]

On December 26, 2016 at 3:06 PM, betsy said:

Yes, American blacks have their own black culture.  It is distinct.  Look at Hip-hop as an example.

Like the Beastie Boys? Kid Rock? Vanilla Ice? Pitbull? House of Pain? Mackelmore? Eminem? Machine Gun Kelly? Mac Miller? Those black guys?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Bryan said:

Like the Beastie Boys? Kid Rock? Vanilla Ice? Pitbull? House of Pain? Mackelmore? Eminem? Machine Gun Kelly? Mac Miller? Those black guys?

Well, they aren't white, apparently. No one is. 

[Hal 9000]

57 minutes ago, kimmy said:

This sounds tremendously fascinating. I assume I'm in for a list of examples borrowed from "Men's Rights Advocates" and "Involuntary Celibates".

 -k

If you are a white woman, then yes, you can assume you are part of the problem.

[kimmy]

13 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

If you are a white woman, then yes, you can assume you are part of the problem.

Which problem would that be, again? 

If you're referring to the "whiteness" problem, I think that people like dialamah and hernanday have made it clear that yes, white women are part of the "whiteness" problem.   Also, non-white feminists are pretty mad at white feminists right now, because a lot of white women voted for Trump which is somehow our fault.

Or are you referring to some other "problem"?

 -k

[Argus]

21 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

If you are a white woman, then yes, you can assume you are part of the problem.

Are you one of those gay guys who hates women?

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Bryan said:

Like the Beastie Boys? Kid Rock? Vanilla Ice? Pitbull? House of Pain? Mackelmore? Eminem? Machine Gun Kelly? Mac Miller? Those black guys?

Denying Black culture exists would, I think, most definitely be considered racist by most Black people.

Edited December 28, 2016 by Argus

[Bryan]

30 minutes ago, Argus said:

Denying Black culture exists would, I think, most definitely be considered racist by most Black people.

The real problem is, if one were to accurately describe what American black culture looked like, THAT would be considered incredibly racist.

[Omni]

34 minutes ago, Bryan said:

The real problem is, if one were to accurately describe what American black culture looked like, THAT would be considered incredibly racist.

Do you mean like how slavery was racist?

[Bryan]

39 minutes ago, Omni said:

Do you mean like how slavery was racist?

No I don't, but thanks for the irrelevant drive by.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Bryan said:

No I don't, but thanks for the irrelevant drive by.

So we're waiting to hear your version of American black culture.

[bush_cheney2004]

Everyone knows that the greatest experts on "black" Americans are "white" Canadians.