Kevin O'Leary & Pierre-Karl Péladeau

?Impact · January 6, 2017

32 minutes ago, Argus said:

And when was the last time the Conservatives campaigned against removing the right to an abortion?

Freudian slip?

While the party has not, certainly individual Conservatives have. They are also tainted by the conservatives in the US who are doing that right now.

Derek 2.0 · January 6, 2017

52 minutes ago, Argus said:

I will not vote for Lisa Raitt under any circumstances because of her campaign targeting this.

I doubt my local riding will vote for her either.....with that said, I'd vote for her (and any Tory) during the election....

Argus · January 6, 2017

15 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Freudian slip?

While the party has not, certainly individual Conservatives have. They are also tainted by the conservatives in the US who are doing that right now.

The conservative party would not campaign to ban abortions even if there were no opposition and it were the government. You couldn't get such a resolution passed by the Conservative Party rank and file. Now you might be able to pass a resolution calling on there being some rules, much as Sweden or Germany or France have but that's not exactly misogynistic.

PIK · January 10, 2017

I am not a fan of O'leary, but the more I listen to him the more he catches my attention. Common sense is all we need in a leader. I liked his line about how it takes 25 yrs to buy a boat.

blueblood · January 10, 2017

6 minutes ago, PIK said:

I am not a fan of O'leary, but the more I listen to him the more he catches my attention. Common sense is all we need in a leader. I liked his line about how it takes 25 yrs to buy a boat.

I've always liked O'Leary and he's the only candidate with enough media savvy and influence to take on Trudeau in an election. As for learning French, a year or two should be enough time to be able to hold a conversation.

scheer is the most qualified right now and in paper would appeal to a lot of people and O'Leary likes his ideas, however scheer comes off as a policy wonk who would put people to sleep. Star power and economy are front and centre for the next election.

PIK · January 10, 2017

I was paying attention to Raitt, mad max, and o'toole but I just maybe sold on O'leary.

Argus · January 10, 2017

17 minutes ago, PIK said:

I was paying attention to Raitt, mad max, and o'toole but I just maybe sold on O'leary.

I was paying some attention to Raitt until her self-righteous attack on values testing. Now she's out. I think Mad max is damaged goods. I like O'Toole but am not convinced. O'Leary has moxy and knows how to use the cameras, and with the growing exposure of how incompetent and careless the Liberals are with finances and the likelihood of both growing taxes and a slowing economy the Liberals could be very vulnerable to him next election.

Spiderfish · January 10, 2017

On 2017-01-05 at 6:37 PM, ?Impact said:

While the party has not, certainly individual Conservatives have. They are also tainted by the conservatives in the US who are doing that right now.

And what about individual Liberals? Oh right, that situation has been "dealt with" ...

Anti-abortion candidates need not apply in 2015, Justin Trudeau says

The_Squid · January 10, 2017

1 hour ago, Spiderfish said:

And what about individual Liberals? Oh right, that situation has been "dealt with" ...

Anti-abortion candidates need not apply in 2015, Justin Trudeau says

Yeah... that really hurt their chances... oh, wait...

Spiderfish · January 10, 2017

7 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Yeah... that really hurt their chances... oh, wait...

Chances for what...to express their conscience? No chance...it's been contained...all's well in Liberal utopia.

SpankyMcFarland · January 11, 2017

It's a bit odd that O'Leary grew up in Montreal and picked up no French. With a Catholic and Lebanese background, he must have been exposed to some French speakers.

Bryan · January 11, 2017

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It's a bit odd that O'Leary grew up in Montreal and picked up no French. With a Catholic and Lebanese background, he must have been exposed to some French speakers.

He has said a couple of times in recent weeks that he does speak french, just not very well.

SpankyMcFarland · January 11, 2017

8 hours ago, Bryan said:

He has said a couple of times in recent weeks that he does speak french, just not very well.

OK not no French but he was surrounded by French. It's odd that he did not pick up more.

?Impact · January 11, 2017

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It's a bit odd that O'Leary grew up in Montreal and picked up no French.

He grew up in the 60's, that was well before the days of French immersion. I don't know what part of Montreal he grew up in, but there are many sections that had large English populations. While today most people growing up in Montreal are well exposed to French in school, and it is far more difficult to get by without it, that was not the situation years ago. He is about 5-6 years older than me, and I learned and used far more French when I moved to Europe than I did growing up in Montreal.

SpankyMcFarland · January 11, 2017

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

He grew up in the 60's, that was well before the days of French immersion. I don't know what part of Montreal he grew up in, but there are many sections that had large English populations. While today most people growing up in Montreal are well exposed to French in school, and it is far more difficult to get by without it, that was not the situation years ago. He is about 5-6 years older than me, and I learned and used far more French when I moved to Europe than I did growing up in Montreal.

To me it shows a lack of curiosity about one's Canadian surroundings. I'd expect a little more of potential leaders.

Argus · January 11, 2017

48 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

To me it shows a lack of curiosity about one's Canadian surroundings. I'd expect a little more of potential leaders.

That was a time where the English and French were widely separated and never the twain shall meet. French wasn't even taught in English schools, and then with the rise of the FLQ there was a lot of mutual suspicion.

blueblood · January 12, 2017

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/o-leary-committee-sees-clear-path-to-victory-for-conservative-leadership-1.3238107

hes getting closer to running. This is all in all a good thing as it's going to force all Tories to take a good look at finance. Leitch is toast.

SpankyMcFarland · January 12, 2017

On 1/11/2017 at 3:03 PM, Argus said:

That was a time where the English and French were widely separated and never the twain shall meet. French wasn't even taught in English schools, and then with the rise of the FLQ there was a lot of mutual suspicion.

He must have had thoughts of running before this, though. If he was serious, you'd think he would have addressed it earlier.

The other thing is he's a bit long in the tooth to be getting in now for the first time. It's a rough game for a cranky old person to learn.

SpankyMcFarland · January 12, 2017

2 hours ago, blueblood said:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/o-leary-committee-sees-clear-path-to-victory-for-conservative-leadership-1.3238107

hes getting closer to running. This is all in all a good thing as it's going to force all Tories to take a good look at finance. Leitch is toast.

Leitch does not look or sound the part. She's just not leadership material.

August1991 · January 14, 2017

Reading through this thread quickly, no poster seems to understand my OP. (Maybe Argus.)

The_Squid · January 14, 2017

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Reading through this thread quickly, no poster seems to understand my OP. (Maybe Argus.)

Everyone else is an idiot... you're just too smart for this place...

Benz · January 14, 2017

It's definitely a false start to win Québec's vote when you are born and raised here and speak no french. We honestly have a very bad opinion of the English speaking people living here that makes no effort to even understand and speak a little french. Big problem for O'Leary but, it's not all set. If he manages to learn enough french to make him look familiar with it, the Québécois will easily forgive that and would not hold any amertume on him. After all, Québec eventually felt in love with Jack Layton. So it's not impossible for O'Leary.

I have seen O'Leary only once at the show Tout le monde en parle. I remember him just because of that show but, I did not remember his name. I Googled it before I post in this thread and this is how I remembered him. From the little I know about him, I doubt very much this guy can win the trust of the Québécois. But I do not know him that much so, I'll keep alot of reserves about this first impression.

Regarding English canada, I have no doubts that this guy is capable to say things that could please most of the conservatives people but, can this kind of politics could reach the interests of a majority of people? It looks like he is telling himself, "if Trump can win, I can win", but the political situation is different. Trump is so lucky that Clington represents so much the establishment. Although Trudeau is the puppet of the establishment, it's not obvious that as many canadians see it this way as well.

blueblood · January 14, 2017

7 minutes ago, Benz said:

It's definitely a false start to win Québec's vote when you are born and raised here and speak no french. We honestly have a very bad opinion of the English speaking people living here that makes no effort to even understand and speak a little french. Big problem for O'Leary but, it's not all set. If he manages to learn enough french to make him look familiar with it, the Québécois will easily forgive that and would not hold any amertume on him. After all, Québec eventually felt in love with Jack Layton. So it's not impossible for O'Leary.

I have seen O'Leary only once at the show Tout le monde en parle. I remember him just because of that show but, I did not remember his name. I Googled it before I post in this thread and this is how I remembered him. From the little I know about him, I doubt very much this guy can win the trust of the Québécois. But I do not know him that much so, I'll keep alot of reserves about this first impression.

Regarding English canada, I have no doubts that this guy is capable to say things that could please most of the conservatives people but, can this kind of politics could reach the interests of a majority of people? It looks like he is telling himself, "if Trump can win, I can win", but the political situation is different. Trump is so lucky that Clington represents so much the establishment. Although Trudeau is the puppet of the establishment, it's not obvious that as many canadians see it this way as well.

Oleary is banking on Trudeau's policies stagnating the economy, which it is. There is a definite move against the establishment with brexit and trumps victories. I would look to the French general election and see if marine le pen wins which would be a big deal.

oleary would be a move against the Canadian political establishment which might be what people want given the Canadian economy being relatively stagnant over the past few years. As for learning French, oleary has said he will learn it however it would take time to be able to debate in it. Oleary's vision consists of slashing red tape and creating jobs while being inclusive. Oleary is the only one who can take on the media machine and get inside trudeaus head.

Argus · January 14, 2017

23 minutes ago, Benz said:

Regarding English canada, I have no doubts that this guy is capable to say things that could please most of the conservatives people but, can this kind of politics could reach the interests of a majority of people? It looks like he is telling himself, "if Trump can win, I can win", but the political situation is different.

Comparisons between O'Leary and Trump are overdone. O'Leary has a lot more self-control than Trump and is much less vitriolic and crude. He is blunt and 'in your face' over financial issues, but he's not going to be resorting to childish insults or targeting minorities or using ridiculous economic arguments like Trump uses.

blueblood · January 14, 2017

51 minutes ago, Argus said:

Comparisons between O'Leary and Trump are overdone. O'Leary has a lot more self-control than Trump and is much less vitriolic and crude. He is blunt and 'in your face' over financial issues, but he's not going to be resorting to childish insults or targeting minorities or using ridiculous economic arguments like Trump uses.

That's trumps weakness I'm afraid. The ridiculous economic arguements like tearing up trade deals along with incessant meddling in the market.