Kevin O'Leary & Pierre-Karl Péladeau

[August1991]

No one in English Canada knows Péladeau.

And no one in French Canada knows O'Leary.

Enough said.

[Bryan]

He's from Quebec. They know him.

[Smallc]

Does that matter anyway?  Did anyone from Quebec know Stephen Harper?

[taxme]

47 minutes ago, Bryan said:

He's from Quebec. They know him.

O'Leary is from English Canada, and they know him. So, what is this topic suppose to be about? 

[Argus]

Didn't you read? "nuff said". That's about it for this topic.

[Bryan]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

Didn't you read? "nuff said". That's about it for this topic.

Clearly it wasn't.

[PIK]

Harper proved that you do not need Quebec to win a majority. That is why we had a peaceful yrs under Harper. Now Trudeau is dividing this country a fast as he can, just like his old man.

Edited December 28, 2016 by PIK

[?Impact]

36 minutes ago, PIK said:

That is why we had a peaceful yrs under Harper.

Harper was the most divisive Prime Minister in all of history.

[Smallc]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Harper proved that you do not need Quebec to win a majority. That is why we had a peaceful yrs under Harper. Now Trudeau is dividing this country a fast as he can, just like his old man.

I don't feel any more divided than I did two years ago.

[blueblood]

3 hours ago, Smallc said:

I don't feel any more divided than I did two years ago.

I do!!

[Smallc]

What's divided you, exactly?  What in your life has changed since Harper was replaced? 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Harper was the most divisive Prime Minister in all of history.

You took a survey, did you?

[?Impact]

21 minutes ago, Argus said:

You took a survey, did you?

I looked at what he did. Every single thing he did was pitting one segment of Canadians against another. East vs West, Rural vs Urban, Old stock vs Muslim. etc. He thrived on creating classes of people and portraying some as good and some as bad so he could get his way. 

[August1991]

On 12/24/2016 at 0:49 AM, Bryan said:

He's from Quebec. They know him.

Kevin O'Leary may have been born in Montreal (checked that in Wikipedia) but few in Quebec know him.

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Like the US Electoral College, Canada also has its traditional method to protect the minority against the Tyranny of the Majority.

Edited December 29, 2016 by August1991

[August1991]

On 12/24/2016 at 11:39 AM, Argus said:

Didn't you read? "nuff said". That's about it for this topic.

Enough said?

No. See below. (Greg, please fix/change this forum editting system software. It matters.).

Edited December 29, 2016 by August1991

[August1991]

12 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Harper was the most divisive Prime Minister in all of history.

Clearly, you never lived in Canada in the 1960s and 1970s - or around 1914.

According to Scott Adams (the Dilbert guy), Trump is a master of persuasion: Trump is playing "identity politics".

Well, Canadians have understood "identity politics" for a century or so. We sometimes call it nationalism.

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In the Scott Adams' scheme of things/life/argument/convincing/society:

1. Identity is better than Analogy

2.  Analogy is better than Ratiionalisation.

3. Rational argument is useless 

4. Definition is an admission of defeat.

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As a Canadian, I reckon that Scott Adams is a naive American.

[August1991]

On 12/24/2016 at 0:42 AM, August1991 said:

No one in English Canada knows Péladeau.

And no one in French Canada knows O'Leary.

Returning to my OP:

Péladeau is a wealthy, successful guy in Quebec - a disaster in Quebec politics.

O'Leary can't speak French - and wants to succeed in federal politics,

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I reckon that Pierre Trudeau Snr would argue that Scott Adams had nothing interesting to say.

Edited December 29, 2016 by August1991

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Clearly, you never lived in Canada in the 1960s and 1970s - or around 1914.

1 out of 3 isn't bad, you are correct I am not over 100 years old.

[Argus]

17 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I looked at what he did. Every single thing he did was pitting one segment of Canadians against another. East vs West, Rural vs Urban, Old stock vs Muslim. etc. He thrived on creating classes of people and portraying some as good and some as bad so he could get his way. 

You exaggerate wildly. And as someone who remembers Pierre Trudeau doing exactly this I have to say it's odd you should ignore that.

[blueblood]

On 2016-12-28 at 6:49 PM, Smallc said:

What's divided you, exactly?  What in your life has changed since Harper was replaced? 

The extremely large deficit that was unnecessary which in the long run makes me poorer which helps results in a currency which is devalued significantly which again makes me poorer.  The added taxation that comes and the fact that Trudeau held Alberta at gunpoint figuratively to put in a carbon tax for pipeline approval.  Which the carbon tax will make me poorer.  The billions spent overseas to buy a security council seat.  

Now before you toot your horn about Chrétien slashing deficits, the Irish since 2012 have the best performing economy in the western world and have low taxes and extreme austerity

[Smallc]

2 minutes ago, blueblood said:

The extremely large deficit that was unnecessary which in the long run makes me poorer which helps results in a currency which is devalued significantly which again makes me poorer.  The added taxation that comes and the fact that Trudeau held Alberta at gunpoint figuratively to put in a carbon tax for pipeline approval.  Which the carbon tax will make me poorer.  The billions spent overseas to buy a security council seat.  

Extremely large is certainly a gross exaggeration.  This deficit is quite mild actually.  I haven't seen a single economist that spoke out against it as a bad thing.  CIBC even showed what would happen if Canada ran $100B deficits into forever.  You know what happens?  Not a lot.  Our Debt to GDP would climb for a few years and then stall at around 70%.  These deficits of less than $30B for a few years aren't going to do anything to what is now a more than $2T economy.

And Alberta already had a carbon tax.  It was the first province to have one.  Manitoba was going to put a price on carbon even under the PCs.

5 minutes ago, blueblood said:

Now before you toot your horn about Chrétien slashing deficits, the Irish since 2012 have the best performing economy in the western world and have low taxes and extreme austerity

Chretien cut spending and taxes.  Martin cut taxes.  Harper cut taxes.  In fact, up to this point, Trudeau has cut taxes (by over $1B per year).  Canada has some of lowest business taxes in the OECD.

I still don't understand how any of that divides us like say, a free vote on same sex marriage.

[blueblood]

7 minutes ago, Smallc said:

Extremely large is certainly a gross exaggeration.  This deficit is quite mild actually.  I haven't seen a single economist that spoke out against it as a bad thing.  CIBC even showed what would happen if Canada ran $100B deficits into forever.  You know what happens?  Not a lot.  Our Debt to GDP would climb for a few years and then stall at around 70%.  These deficits of less than $30B for a few years aren't going to do anything to what is now a more than $2T economy.

And Alberta already had a carbon tax.  It was the first province to have one.  Manitoba was going to put a price on carbon even under the PCs.

Chretien cut spending and taxes.  Martin cut taxes.  Harper cut taxes.  In fact, up to this point, Trudeau has cut taxes (by over $1B per year).  Canada has some of lowest business taxes in the OECD.

I still don't understand how any of that divides us like say, a free vote on same sex marriage.

The deficits still make me poorer.  30 billion dollars to buy 0.9 GDP growth is an outrage. Your not growing anything.  That still has to be paid back and too much deficits make the dollar shit and ruin purchasing power.  The bond vultures had already rapped our knuckles over trudeau sr's last spending spree and Mulroney deficits to service the interest.  You never lived in a high interest environment and that is coming when the us economy gets back under steam and they want their purchasing power back.  You think Canada is going to not raise ours?

manitoba dropped the carbon tax and Alberta had a gun to their head to put one in to get the pipelines approved.  The Aussies dropped theirs, the us isn't implementing one and the Chinese are paying lip service.  Why should we lose our competitive advantage to be a white knight?

canada federally has low business taxes then throw in the provinces and it gets up there.  Ireland grew at 5% or more for the last couple years and has a rock bottom business tax rate.  I don't blame them for being pissed trump won because they will take a small haircut.

its a fundamental thing that divides us.  I think that money is best left in the hands of individuals, but if your in the business of providing services to government money recipients I can't blame you for wanting the trudeau gravy train.

[Smallc]

9 minutes ago, blueblood said:

The deficits still make me poorer.  30 billion dollars to buy 0.9 GDP growth is an outrage. Your not growing anything.  That still has to be paid back and too much deficits make the dollar shit and ruin purchasing power.  The bond vultures had already rapped our knuckles over trudeau sr's last spending spree and Mulroney deficits to service the interest.  You never lived in a high interest environment and that is coming when the us economy gets back under steam and they want their purchasing power back.  You think Canada is going to not raise ours?

You think that the government pays normal interest rates year to year?  I think I'll trust the economists on this one.

 

9 minutes ago, blueblood said:

canada federally has low business taxes then throw in the provinces and it gets up there.  Ireland grew at 5% or more for the last couple years and has a rock bottom business tax rate.  I don't blame them for being pissed trump won because they will take a small haircut.

Gets up there?  It's still below the OECD average.  You also fail to mention that Ireland had a massive GDP hole to climb out of.  They were nearly destroyed by the financial crisis, when we were barely even scratched. 

You really bought all that Trump stuff?  You're worried about our deficit.  Just watch what happens when you cut taxes and massively increase spending.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Smallc

[blueblood]

Just now, Smallc said:

You think that the government pays normal interest rates year to year?  I think I'll trust the economists on this one.

 

Gets up there?  It's still below the OECD average.  You really bought all that Trump stuff?  You're worried about our deficit.  Just watch what happens when you cut taxes and massively increase spending.

Interest rates can still get high for government ask Mulroney.

 

i don't buy all the trump stuff.  His stance in free trade is proposterous.  However cutting taxes to 15% from their high levels is a good start.  trump also advocates for budgets to be brought into balance which means he will piss people off and cave to Ryan cutting spending.  

Irelands tax rates were well below average for OECD and the Irish put the screws to the Obama administration.  Apple sure liked setting up shop there...

[blueblood]

Also to add Harper had policies which made our economy predictable, investor friendly, and had slayed the deficit after the recession.  I had a lot more confidence with Martin and Harper in charge.  Trudeau is not Martin.