Putin: "we are much stronger than any potential aggressor"

[Derek 2.0]

Just now, Omni said:

Trump shouldn't have pissed off China then

 

Why? Both Trump and Putin have no loved lost with the Chinese, likewise, both Trump and Putin have signaled a reproach on US-Russian relations.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Why? Both Trump and Putin have no loved lost with the Chinese, likewise, both Trump and Putin have signaled a reproach on US-Russian relations.

Because he needs China to keep an eye on N. Korea.

[Wilber]

13 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Trump has nothing to do with it.......the current state of NATO has been decades in the making and countless governments, of its member states, are to blame.

He will have something to do with it. God only knows what though.

[Wilber]

1 hour ago, The_Squid said:

Is Canada willing to go to war for Latvia?  

So what exactly is the purpose of NATO if members pick and chose

which other members they will defend?

[Derek 2.0]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

Because he needs China to keep an eye on N. Korea.

Why? The ones that need to keep an eye on North Korea are the South Koreans and Japanese......and Trump has already told both countries, like NATO with Putin, to pull up their collective socks or they are on their own.

 

7 minutes ago, Wilber said:

He will have something to do with it. God only knows what though.

 

50/50 the end of NATO or the rebuilding of NATO, with members pressured into actually paying for their own proportional defense.

 

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

So what exactly is the purpose of NATO if members pick and chose

which other members they will defend?

 

That's a good question.........members clearly pick and choose their level of defense spending......why should the Americans continue to subsidize most of Europe (and Canada)?

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Why? The ones that need to keep an eye on North Korea are the South Koreans and Japanese......and Trump has already told both countries, like NATO with Putin, to pull up their collective socks or they are on their own.

 

Maybe Trump should just hire S. Korea and Japan to build a wall there some place.

[bush_cheney2004]

If NATO folds like a cheap suit for Putin just because Trump/USA will not respond with military force, then it is already defeated.

Trump isn't even president yet and panic has already set in.

Easy to be brave hiding behind U.S. military power, eh ?

 

 

[dialamah]

Here's the biggest one ....   

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Edited December 23, 2016 by dialamah

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If NATO folds like a cheap suit for Putin just because Trump/USA will not respond with military force, then it is already defeated.

Trump isn't even president yet and panic has already set in.

Easy to be brave hiding behind U.S. military power, eh ?

 

 

Yeah and Trump says he's gonna suck your wallets dry building more nukes. You're safe.

[Derek 2.0]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If NATO folds like a cheap suit for Putin just because Trump/USA will not respond with military force, then it is already defeated.

Trump isn't even president yet and panic has already set in.

Easy to be brave hiding behind U.S. military power, eh ?

 

 

 

Exactly, NATO as a collective entity was softly chided by both the Bush and Obama administrations.....the UK got the message loud and clear.....now the rest will deal with a far less understanding Trump.......

 

If Putin is such a threat to Europe....logically, one would think the Europeans and Canada would get their crap together......

 

 

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Yeah and Trump says he's gonna suck your wallets dry building more nukes. You're safe.

 

Putin doesn't scare me....I'm a Cold War veteran with more nukes that you have ever seen or will ever see.    Very safe.

But now the NATO cheapskates are worried about Trump and Putin.   Canada is one of the cheapest and least prepared.

 

[Wilber]

17 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

 

 

That's a good question.........members clearly pick and choose their level of defense spending......why should the Americans continue to subsidize most of Europe (and Canada)?

I agree but it's not like a Europe not dominated by Russia isn't in America's interest.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Putin doesn't scare me....I'm a Cold War veteran with more nukes that you have ever seen or will ever see.    Very safe.

But now the NATO cheapskates are worried about Trump and Putin.   Canada is one of the cheapest and least prepared.

 

I'm a cold war veteran as well and I wonder how GD stupid are we now for wanting to get back into it? I hope you are ready to pay for it. Again.

[Derek 2.0]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Putin doesn't scare me....I'm a Cold War veteran with more nukes that you have ever seen or will ever see.    Very safe.

But now the NATO cheapskates are worried about Trump and Putin.   Canada is one of the cheapest and least prepared.

 

 

Exactly, I see an improved Russian-US relationship as a good thing...... if I were an American, I'd see a combined working relationship with the Russians, both fighting radical Islam and containing the Red Chinese, as far more beneficial then a weak and feckless NATO.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Exactly, I see an improved Russian-US relationship as a good thing...... if I were an American, I'd see a combined working relationship with the Russians, both fighting radical Islam and containing the Red Chinese, as far more beneficial then a weak and feckless NATO.  

 

Bingo !   All the Euros are doing is enabling more refugee terrorists.   Canada too.   Eff that....

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If NATO folds like a cheap suit for Putin just because Trump/USA will not respond with military force, then it is already defeated.

Trump isn't even president yet and panic has already set in.

Easy to be brave hiding behind U.S. military power, eh ?

The US won't respond....recall the CoDominium alliance of the US and revitalized USSR in some of the sci-fi stories by written by Jerry Pournelle.

The premise of the fictional alliance was global stability but I suspect in reality it will based on the common interest (money and power) of oligarchs and plutocrats that we seem to be stuck with. It's probably going to take a sci-fi sort of rebel alliance to get humanity out from under their thumbs too. I'd love to be part of it.

Edited December 23, 2016 by eyeball

[Derek 2.0]

3 minutes ago, Wilber said:

I agree but it's not like a Europe not dominated by Russia isn't in America's interest.

 

But is it really though? I mean, if the Americans and Russians are able to strengthen their relations, why should the Americans (or Russians) care what Europe does? For Putin, an American withdrawal from Europe reduces a "threat" to the Russians........after all, what is Europe/NATO sans the Americans? Not a threat to Putin.......

[Smallc]

24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If NATO folds like a cheap suit for Putin just because Trump/USA will not respond with military force, then it is already defeated.

This literally makes no sense, as the US would also be failing to respond under your scenario.

[Smallc]

16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Putin doesn't scare me....I'm a Cold War veteran with more nukes that you have ever seen or will ever see. 

You have personal nukes?  Cool!

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Smallc said:

This literally makes no sense, as the US would also be failing to respond under your scenario.

 

That's the whole idea....what is NATO without U.S. military power ?

Is it just a club where one member is responsible for most of the heavy lifting ?

[Wilber]

11 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Exactly, I see an improved Russian-US relationship as a good thing...... if I were an American, I'd see a combined working relationship with the Russians, both fighting radical Islam and containing the Red Chinese, as far more beneficial then a weak and feckless NATO.  

If that's all Russia has in mind I would agree with you but I think it is a pretty naive assumption.

[Smallc]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's the whole idea....what is NATO without U.S. military power ?

So, is the US a part of NATO, or not?  You're not making any sense.

[Smallc]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

If that's all Russia has in mind I would agree with you but I think it is a pretty naive assumption.

Don't you know?  Russia is a benevolent force for good now.  Not like 2012, when they were the worst threat to US security.  It's not like they've invaded a couple of countries in the last decade, or anything.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Smallc said:

So, is the US a part of NATO, or not?  You're not making any sense.

 

Doesn't have to be....Soviet Union is long gone. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Smallc said:

Don't you know?  Russia is a benevolent force for good now.  Not like 2012, when they were the worst threat to US security.  It's not like they've invaded a couple of countries in the last decade, or anything.

 

What did NATO / Canada do to stop Putin / Russia ?   Sanctions !!