Germany; "Those who makes false propaganda news should be sentenced"

[Altai]

 Germany wants fake/false news to be punished. German gvt thinks that fake/false news will affect community thoughts in a negative manner and will harm the credibility of state politics. They said that "Slanders and fake news should not be accepted as freedom of speech." after some false news about officials which were spreaded quickly and feared of causing public hatred against officials.


Yes I support German govt's idea, this is what should be done but I just laugh at the hypocrsy of them. 


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/alman-bakan-maas-yalan-haber-yayan-hapse-girsin-40310379

[Ash74]

Fake news is a plague but I fear corrupt Governments will use it as an excuse to persecute media for disagreeing with the state.

That is already being seen in Turkey with those newspapers that are being shut down and journalists arrested and held without trial.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Charles Anthony
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[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Ash74 said:

Fake news is a plague ...

Cite ?   Objectively, at what point does fake news become such a problem that martial law is effectively required ?

[Ash74]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Cite ?   Objectively, at what point does fake news become such a problem that martial law is effectively required ?

I do not think it should be used as an excuse for martial law. 

I personally read several online news sites to look at different perspectives. 

I would not want "false news" to be used as an excuse to curb free speech like is being done in Turkey right now. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

Ok, but is there a breaking point or not ?  Is there a point at which force must be use to stop misinformation ?

[Ash74]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, but is there a breaking point or not ?  Is there a point at which force must be use to stop misinformation ?

But at what price? 

I understand you can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre or threaten to kill somebody but where is the line drawn?

Who decides where that line is?

Some people's lies are other people's faith.  

Will we arrest people for saying Christ has come back or the USA is controlled by the freemasons?

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Donald Trump frequently outright lies when he speaks.  Should that be punished to?

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Ash74 said:

But at what price? 

I understand you can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre or threaten to kill somebody but where is the line drawn?

Who decides where that line is?

Some people's lies are other people's faith.  

Will we arrest people for saying Christ has come back or the USA is controlled by the freemasons?

See that is a concern. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Cite ?   Objectively, at what point does fake news become such a problem that martial law is effectively required ?

Maybe when the harm approaches that of hollering fire in a crowded theater.

Of course by that time it might be too late.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Donald Trump frequently outright lies when he speaks.  Should that be punished to?

A person as powerful as a president who's lies lead to widespread violence and death certainly should be.

Like GW Bush or Tony Blair for example.

[Ash74]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

A person as powerful as a president who's lies lead to widespread violence and death certainly should be.

Like GW Bush or Tony Blair for example.

How is the rioting Trump's fault?

I am all for starting to charge politicians for lying but what would happen to the Liberal parties across Canada? 

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, Ash74 said:

 

I am all for starting to charge politicians for lying but what would happen to the Liberal parties across Canada? 

Same thing that would happen to all the other parties, I think.

[eyeball]

What she said, in spades.

[Ash74]

48 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Same thing that would happen to all the other parties, I think.

Yup. 

That would be on the "pro's" side of the argument. 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Ash74 said:

I am all for starting to charge politicians for lying but what would happen to the Liberal parties across Canada? 

Oh woah woah but parliamentary privilege.  Whoever thought of that great idea.  The only place legal to lie and slander etc. about anything is parliament!  Yay!

[Altai]

President of European Parliament says that social media sites should delete the fake news or they should be ready for its price.

 
LoooL  guys what happened to this famous freedom of speech ?

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/fake-news-schulz-fordert-eu-weites-verbot-von-falschmeldungen-1.3299552

Edited December 18, 2016 by Altai

[Rue]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Donald Trump frequently outright lies when he speaks.  Should that be punished to?

I think Melania behind closed doors caters to that one. Just saying,  On a more serious note, one person's lie is another's truth is another's subjective opinion is another's objective fact. Public communications I would argue for that reason are inherently subjective and incapable of being anything but subjective as hard as it tries because even objective evidence is inevitably presented with the bias of the presenter.

Some argue any semblance of neutrality in journalism long went the way of the do do bird others say it never existed.

What is truth other than someone's opinion of what truth should be or consist \

Do we really need a warning before any news show with the statement: "any story depicted may contain variables and therefore may not be fully accurate, viewer discretion is suggested."..and all politicians by law before speaking be required to say: "anythinhg I say may contain inappropriate and inaccurate references, listener discretion is suggested".

I mean what the hell. Does anyone not know a politician  necessarily says what people want to hear, or that  a lawyer is paid to argue what you pay him/her to argue or a prostitute is just another service profession like the other two and in the end we pay taxes, legal fees or what is it now a number of roses, so we can end up f.....ked.?

Edited December 19, 2016 by Rue

[Ash74]

In another topic an individual is making claims that she refuses to back up. 

Would this not be considered "false news" by spreading rumors of mass conspiracies with not proof. 

Should this person not be charged for stating false news if there was such a law?

[eyeball]

Only if she was in a position of influence and authority and her advice/order resulted in death and injury.

Anyone acting on this advice/order should face charges as well.

Otherwise mockery and humiliation are the correct course of action.

 

[Rue]

20 hours ago, Ash74 said:

In another topic an individual is making claims that she refuses to back up. 

Would this not be considered "false news" by spreading rumors of mass conspiracies with not proof. 

Should this person not be charged for stating false news if there was such a law?

Funny how that works. Usually the person calling for the banning is engaging in the very act they want banned. You have to love humans.

Now me I prefer dogs. At least when they bark they mean it.

[Altai]

LoooL I heard that Germany is going to establish Ministry of Truth  LooooooooL not kidding. I hope their Ministy of Truth also reports honestly how they are funding terror organizations.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Altai

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Altai said:

LoooL I heard that Germany is going to establish Ministry of Truth  LooooooooL not kidding. I hope their Ministy of Truth also reports honestly how they are funding terror organizations.

Boy, I hope that's fake news.

[-TSS-]

The EU is turning into an EUSSR and the methods are the same; persecution, punishment, defaming of all those who disagree with the state.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

The EU is turning into an EUSSR and the methods are the same; persecution, punishment, defaming of all those who disagree with the state.

Do you not see a reason for people calling for collective action against fake news ?  If not, then maybe you are part of the problem.

[Bryan]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do you not see a reason for people calling for collective action against fake news ?  If not, then maybe you are part of the problem.

Do you not see a problem with the state dictating what is "fake" or not?