Is it productive to ban literature?

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7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

 

Right.  In a reading group of mixed race kids I can't imagine it being the black kids who come away from To Kill a Mockingbird feeling bad about themselves.  I remember it being one of the first exposures I ever had to the racial situation in the US. 

Why can't you imagine a original child sitting in a classroom of known racist or people he believes are racist using racial slurs openly would not go away feeling bad about themselves?  Given that original parents have already sued the school district multiple times and in class action lawsuits for this exact reason, it is a verifiable false statement.  You'd have to be delusional, it would be like saying I can't imagine a jew child going away froma  reading of mein kempf feeling bad about themselves.  How many racist characters using racial slurs are in books like those?

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36 minutes ago, hernanday said:

Why can't you imagine a original child sitting in a classroom of known racist or people he believes are racist using racial slurs openly would not go away feeling bad about themselves?  Given that original parents have already sued the school district multiple times and in class action lawsuits for this exact reason, it is a verifiable false statement.  You'd have to be delusional, it would be like saying I can't imagine a jew child going away froma  reading of mein kempf feeling bad about themselves.  How many racist characters using racial slurs are in books like those?

Yeah, because Harper Lee was a Nazi.  If you're going to make a point, and expect it to be taken seriously, you'll have to do better than comparing To Kill a Mockingbird to Mein Kampf.

No matter how original you are.

[WestCoastRunner]

Well I would like to hear how the black community feels about this novel being taught in schools. I can speak from a point of view from a white person but that doesn't exactly tell the whole story   

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On 12/4/2016 at 9:37 AM, OftenWrong said:

"The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[6] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime."

Too bad the so-called lefties in this country don't support abolition of the monarchy, the create of a republic, nor secularism.

Edited January 9, 2017 by -1=e^ipi

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2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, because Harper Lee was a Nazi.  If you're going to make a point, and expect it to be taken seriously, you'll have to do better than comparing To Kill a Mockingbird to Mein Kampf.

No matter how original you are.

There is no difference.

Harper Lee was a racist, Nazis are racist.

 

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1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Well I would like to hear how the black community feels about this novel being taught in schools. I can speak from a point of view from a white person but that doesn't exactly tell the whole story   

Just look at the lawsuits they've had with the school districts to remove the books, they create toxic environments from the perspective of the original community.  Isn't it coincidental it is mainly white people defending to maintain a book with a large number of racial slurs but insisting it is somehow not racist? 

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4 minutes ago, hernanday said:

There is no difference.

Harper Lee was a racist, Nazis are racist.

 

Not seriously then. That's okay, I like a laugh.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Too bad the so-called lefties in this country don't support abolition of the monarchy, the create of a republic, nor secularism.

Seems they already tried it, look at the soviet union.

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Just now, OftenWrong said:

Seems they already tried it, look at the soviet union.

???

This is a Canadian forum.

Canada was never part of the soviet union.

[DogOnPorch]

This just in....

Plato and Aristotle are too white.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/students-demand-plato-descartes-and-other-white-philosophers-be-dropped-from-curriculum

 

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

???

This is a Canadian forum.

Canada was never part of the soviet union.

No, but isn't that what you want us to become?

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Just now, OftenWrong said:

No, but isn't that what you want us to become?

 

You realize France, the United States and South Korea are all republics, right?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

No, but isn't that what you want us to become?

You do get a rather spiffy uniform.

[drummindiver]

22 hours ago, hernanday said:

The book would not be a loss, it would be a huge opportunity to replace a text which is written by a racist old white woman and replaced with a text that is truly instructional on racism, rather than some fake story.  And removing a book from the curriculum is not censorship, otherwise you'd have to claim we are censoring millions of books that have been retired from the curriculum or never entered it.

 

I felt horrified at what white people did to blacks.  That was Harpers' message.

19 hours ago, hernanday said:

There is no difference.

Harper Lee was a racist, Nazis are racist.

 

There are no words for how stupid this comment is. 

[drummindiver]

17 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

This just in....

Plato and Aristotle are too white.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/students-demand-plato-descartes-and-other-white-philosophers-be-dropped-from-curriculum

 

So, they're going to white wash philosophical teachings?

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5 hours ago, drummindiver said:

I felt horrified at what white people did to blacks.  That was Harpers' message.

There are no words for how stupid this comment is. 

facts are stupid now?

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5 hours ago, drummindiver said:

So, they're going to white wash philosophical teachings?

LOL, they've already whitewashed it by removing all the most important philosophers and philosophical institutions which laid the foundation for western civilization ie temple of waset and its teachers who taught all the ancient greek philosophers in Africa like plato, aristotle, socrates, euclid, pythagoreas,

Hypocrates studies for 20 years; and the other Greeks who matriculated at Waset included Diodorus, Solon, Thales, Archimides, and Euripides. Indeed, the Greek, St. Clement of Alexandria, once said that if you were to write a book of 1,000 pages, you would not be able to put down the names of all the Greeks who went to Kemet to be educated and even those who did not surreptitiously claim they went because it was prestigious. “ Herodotus said it, Plato confirmed it and Aristotle never denied it”.

Thales (624-547 B.C.) was the first (protos) Greek student to receive his training from Egyptian priests in the Nile Valley.
III Proclus (Neoplationist, 420-485 A.D.) Reports that Thales introduced science, philosophy and mathematics/geometry to Greece.

ergo the foundations of western philosophy is African, and by excluding those Africans philosophy is being white washed in these schools.

[drummindiver]

51 minutes ago, hernanday said:

facts are stupid now?

Harper Lee was not a racist

 After reading some of your rants against Plato due to his colour it's obvious you are a racist.

[drummindiver]

As with everything  you say,  that's ridiculous. Are you going to credit Hawkins gym teacher with the big bang theory?Teachers supply some tools,  but the thinkers do the work.

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1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

Harper Lee was not a racist

 After reading some of your rants against Plato due to his colour it's obvious you are a racist.

Harper Lee is racist.

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1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

As with everything  you say,  that's ridiculous. Are you going to credit Hawkins gym teacher with the big bang theory?Teachers supply some tools,  but the thinkers do the work.

Did Hawkins gym teacher teach him physics for 13 years?

Plato was a thinker, but all people are thinkers, he had simply translated theories and views and philosophies from Kemetian into Greek and some people want to pretend that he invented this all because he is the FIRST EUROPEAN to do it.  That is it.  If Hawkins gym teacher taught Hawkins the big bang and most important theories that make him relevant but only Hawkins is being credited because of his race/nationality, then that is wrong.

[drummindiver]

5 hours ago, hernanday said:

Did Hawkins gym teacher teach him physics for 13 years?

Plato was a thinker, but all people are thinkers, he had simply translated theories and views and philosophies from Kemetian into Greek and some people want to pretend that he invented this all because he is the FIRST EUROPEAN to do it.  That is it.  If Hawkins gym teacher taught Hawkins the big bang and most important theories that make him relevant but only Hawkins is being credited because of his race/nationality, then that is wrong.

Pretty sure Hawkins went to school longer than 13 years. The guy flipping your Big Mac probably did too. We have white guilt and now any white achievement is clearly due to another ethnicity.  

 

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1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

Pretty sure Hawkins went to school longer than 13 years. The guy flipping your Big Mac probably did too. We have white guilt and now any white achievement is clearly due to another ethnicity.  

Did Hawkins learn physics from his gym teacher for 13 years?  Did Hawkins gym teacher study physics for 40 years? There is no parallel between Hawkins gym teacher and the professors in the university temple of waset teaching Greeks and training Greek philosophers for decades in what was probably the most rigorous education system.

 

Ironically there is substantial evidence that socrates was not white.  I'm sure some white people have white guilt, but if they were not rigging the education system with falsities they probably wouldn't feel so guilty. Not every achievement of a white person is due to another ethnicity. White people own monster truck driving.

 

One thing I always did wonder, is why do white historians and white archaeologist generally just skip over northern Europe, central and Eastern Europe and the parts of central Asia where whites originate from and have been in for the majority of history, and go straight to southern European (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece) countries that historically were closer and populated by non-whites.

 

[drummindiver]

8 hours ago, hernanday said:

Did Hawkins learn physics from his gym teacher for 13 years?  Did Hawkins gym teacher study physics for 40 years? There is no parallel between Hawkins gym teacher and the professors in the university temple of waset teaching Greeks and training Greek philosophers for decades in what was probably the most rigorous education system.

 

Ironically there is substantial evidence that socrates was not white.  I'm sure some white people have white guilt, but if they were not rigging the education system with falsities they probably wouldn't feel so guilty. Not every achievement of a white person is due to another ethnicity. White people own monster truck driving.

 

One thing I always did wonder, is why do white historians and white archaeologist generally just skip over northern Europe, central and Eastern Europe and the parts of central Asia where whites originate from and have been in for the majority of history, and go straight to southern European (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece) countries that historically were closer and populated by non-whites.

 

Least we still got monster truck.

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6 hours ago, drummindiver said:

Least we still got monster truck.

Yup, whites own that completely.