Native Ceremony takes place at a public school

[?Impact]

23 minutes ago, msj said:

Hope this does go to court as it will be excellent reading along with other cases mentioned in those legal documents. 

I hope Mrs. Candice Busybody has never put up Christmas lights in view of a public road, or else she should go to court and lose her house for infringing on others Charter rights. If she dressed up, or had any of her kids dress up for Halloween, then she should be thrown in the hoosegow for such extreme spiritual acts. 

1 hour ago, msj said:

I'd rather have kids participate in science experiments, create and participate in plays

Plays about what? Mary, Joseph and the wise men? Edgar Allan Poe: "By that Heaven that bends above us, by that God we both adore...,"? William Shakespeare who put old Hamlet's ghost in purgatory? Perhaps Candide can be the religion police and go thorough every single play and ensure that no reference to religion is ever made.

Edited November 19, 2016 by ?Impact

[msj]

13 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I hope Mrs. Candice Busybody has never put up Christmas lights in view of a public road, or else she should go to court and lose her house for infringing on others Charter rights. If she dressed up, or had any of her kids dress up for Halloween, then she should be thrown in the hoosegow for such extreme spiritual acts. 

 

Not sure why you feel the need to attack Candice Servatius with such childish name calling. 

As for your Xmas lights analogy: it is poorly conceived, nonsensical and demonstrates that you have a poor understanding of the issues involved here. 

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Plays about what? Mary, Joseph and the wise men? Edgar Allan Poe: "By that Heaven that bends above us, by that God we both adore...,"? William Shakespeare who put old Hamlet's ghost in purgatory? Perhaps Candide can be the religion police and go thorough every single play and ensure that no reference to religion is ever made.

Oh, I don't know, how about "The Ecstasy of Rita Joe?" 

I would guess that grade school kids could come up with their own plays. I remember having to do this as part of a group back in grade 7. It was very painful, being a shy kid, but very worthwhile, in hindsight.

Edited November 19, 2016 by msj

[Michael Hardner]

On 11/16/2016 at 8:53 AM, Boges said:

 I think there'd be Hell to pay if a teacher tried to have a Judeo-Christian or Muslim ritual in a public school.  

You mean like broadcasting prayers over the loudspeaker ?

[BC_chick]

3 hours ago, msj said:

I'd rather have kids participate in science experiments, create and participate in plays, do classroom presentations than partake in religious ceremonies. 

Want to teach them religion?

Let them read the first five books of the OT, a few of the gospels from the NT, selections from the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, Tao te Ching, etc... 

Religion is such a waste of time for children. There is little to be learned from the hateful Bible/Koran.

It is sad that we live in a world where people still need to read this hateful crap to have an appreciation of Ulysses or Paradise Lost. 

In hindsight, I'd have rather lived in a world without that kind of literature if it meant I could live in a world without the Bible/Koran. 

To waste kids time with smudge ceremonies and Catholic masses is particularly funny in a province with ever decreasing instruction days. 

Want to do it? Then do it on your own time when there is plenty of opportunity for parents to ensure they are comfortable with it. 

Kids are exposed to a little bit of everything because not every kid grows up to be a scientist or mathematician. 

Some do go into humanities and social sciences and no matter what your opinion is of those programs, there will be kids who will show a desire to learn about them the same way some will go into vocational or business or the arts.

Kids get exposed to public works sector, history and other various events for the same reason. 

[?Impact]

If you can`t teach creationism as science, then I don`t want any social studies class that exposes my precious to heathenism.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

If you can`t teach creationism as science, then I don`t want any social studies class that exposes my precious to heathenism.

I wouldn't mind it if they ridiculed it.

[cybercoma]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You mean like broadcasting prayers over the loudspeaker ?

Daily, ffs.

[Bonam]

5 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Daily, ffs.

Good thing we don't do that anymore. 

[cybercoma]

They do in Ontario.

[OftenWrong]

On 2016-11-18 at 10:37 AM, msj said:

If only those FN's could have been so clever.  

At least they seem to be learning though.

So quickly that they are trying to push their religious beliefs in our secular schools and getting around our laws by convincing foolish people that talk of cleansing spirits is cultural rather than religious.  

Even better is their ability to sell the white man cheap tobacco. That, and running casinos.

" In multiple provinces, the provincial governments have entered into agreements with First Nations which give them the rights to develop casinos on First Nation lands. These nations have agreements with the Canadian and provincial governments that allow them a great deal of autonomy in their powers to govern members of their nations and decide what they can do on their land."

[msj]

5 hours ago, BC_chick said:

Kids are exposed to a little bit of everything because not every kid grows up to be a scientist or mathematician. 

Some do go into humanities and social sciences and no matter what your opinion is of those programs, there will be kids who will show a desire to learn about them the same way some will go into vocational or business or the arts.

Kids get exposed to public works sector, history and other various events for the same reason. 

And what is my opinion of social sciences and humanities courses? 

Please tell me for my own sake. 

 

 

[BC_chick]

4 minutes ago, msj said:

And what is my opinion of social sciences and humanities courses? 

Please tell me for my own sake. 

 

 

Your opinion, whatever it may be, is irrelevant. They will continue to be areas of interest to some students and the school curriculum will continue to expose students to them for that reason.

That's my point. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, cybercoma said:

They do in Ontario.

Should they stop?

[drummindiver]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You mean like broadcasting prayers over the loudspeaker ?

Which as you know has been banned since 1996 and is against the Charter of Rights as has been mentioned ad nauseum.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/sudbury/lord-s-prayer-banned-25-years-ago-after-sudbury-protest-1.1359913

Edited November 20, 2016 by drummindiver

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Which as you know has been banned since 1996 and is against the School Act as has been mentioned ad nauseum.

Apparently they didn't get the memo in Ontario.

[drummindiver]

The link I posted is from Ontario.

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Apparently they didn't get the memo in Ontario.

 

[Guest]

Just now, drummindiver said:

The link I posted is from Ontario.

 

There was no link when I replied.  Still, I'm just going by what other posters have to say.  Myself, I wouldn't allow broadcasted prayers or smoky smudge ceremonies.  Might as well teach the little tykes witchcraft.

 

 

[drummindiver]

....and I agree

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

There was no link when I replied.  Still, I'm just going by what other posters have to say.  Myself, I wouldn't allow broadcasted prayers or smoky smudge ceremonies.  Might as well teach the little tykes witchcraft.

 

 

 

[Guest]

I have to say I have a lot of respect for the lady in the OP, to risk the ire of regressives in order to try and uphold her principles.  She deserves the support of progressives everywhere.

[msj]

29 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

Your opinion, whatever it may be, is irrelevant. They will continue to be areas of interest to some students and the school curriculum will continue to expose students to them for that reason.

That's my point. 

And your point is irrelevant. 

No one is calling for elementary students to only learn science and maths. 

What we have stated is that there are many ways kids can learn about various cultures without foisting religous rituals upon them.

[msj]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I have to say I have a lot of respect for the lady in the OP, to risk the ire of regressives in order to try and uphold her principles.  She deserves the support of progressives everywhere.

Agreed, she is very brave going up against the politically correct industry for the indocritnation of our children. 

My own niece, 13 years old, who did very well on her sympathetic report of Gord Downie's Secret Path (a book about residential school etc), said to me today: I'm so sick and tired of natives, I want to learn something else. 

Funny, I remember when I was a kid feeling the same way even though I'm sure the curriculum is vastly different now. 

But some kids are going to smell the BS no matter how hard they try to cover it up with burning sage.  

[Bob Macadoo]

9 minutes ago, msj said:

Agreed, she is very brave going up against the politically correct industry for the indocritnation of our children. 

My own niece, 13 years old, who did very well on her sympathetic report of Gord Downie's Secret Path (a book about residential school etc), said to me today: I'm so sick and tired of natives, I want to learn something else. 

Funny, I remember when I was a kid feeling the same way even though I'm sure the curriculum is vastly different now. 

But some kids are going to smell the BS no matter how hard they try to cover it up with burning sage.  

Just like the kids who scrawled in the bathroom something about Trump making America something again.......involving going back to Africa I think.....I bet they were smelling BS too.  Parents telling them what it smells like.  Probably smells like smoldering sweetgrass.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Just like the kids who scrawled in the bathroom something about Trump making America something again.......involving going back to Africa I think.....I bet they were smelling BS too.  Parents telling them what it smells like.  Probably smells like smoldering sweetgrass.

Same school, or was it somewhere else?

I'd make them paint the bathroom, the little bastards.

[drummindiver]

....and I agree

35 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

10 minutes ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Just like the kids who scrawled in the bathroom something about Trump making America something again.......involving going back to Africa I think.....I bet they were smelling BS too.  Parents telling them what it smells like.  Probably smells like smoldering sweetgrass.

 

 

And clearly directly tied to Native issues in Canadian schools.

[drummindiver]

18 minutes ago, msj said:

Agreed, she is very brave going up against the politically correct industry for the indocritnation of our children. 

My own niece, 13 years old, who did very well on her sympathetic report of Gord Downie's Secret Path (a book about residential school etc), said to me today: I'm so sick and tired of natives, I want to learn something else. 

Funny, I remember when I was a kid feeling the same way even though I'm sure the curriculum is vastly different now. 

But some kids are going to smell the BS no matter how hard they try to cover it up with burning sage.  

Odd that part of the curriculum was never about Caledonia and the violence against elderly townsfolk and how the OPP did not do their job for four years.