Immigration of religious fanatics

[Guest]

Just now, eyeball said:

You don't believe voters in a democracy are responsible for the actions of their governments?

Of course not.  Do you think all those BC people who voted for JT are responsible for the pipelines?

[Canadianjim]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Do you think Islamic terrorism is justification for Islamophobia, and the rise of the extreme right in Europe?

No I don't since the majority of Muslims aren't terrorists.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

No I don't since the majority of Muslims aren't terrorists.

Of course not.  And the majority of westerners didn't work at Abu Ghraib.

[Canadianjim]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Of course not.  And the majority of westerners didn't work at Abu Ghraib.

We agree.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Of course not.

Hmmmm. Not even the least little bit?

Do other right-wingers likewise believe voters are free of any or even all responsibility for the actions of the governments they elect?

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Of course not.  And the majority of westerners didn't work at Abu Ghraib.

 

The majority of Nazis were not staff at Death Camps, either.

[kactus]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't know so much.  I doubt I would go and hurt someone who just looked the same as someone who had hurt me.  I'd probably try and hurt the one who did it.

 

Maybe you wouldn't but someone else would if they have lost loved ones. It is called revenge and cannot be rationalised unfortunately...

Edited December 21, 2016 by kactus

[cybercoma]

20 hours ago, Argus said:

There is no evidence either one of you is a Canadian.

Says the guy who wasn't born in Canada.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hmmmm. Not even the least little bit?

Do other right-wingers likewise believe voters are free of any or even all responsibility for the actions of the governments they elect?

I'm a middle winger, remember?  And I don't see how any individual voter can be responsible for any individual act by their government.  They can certainly respond by voting for someone else next time, but it probably wouldn't make much difference.

[cybercoma]

18 hours ago, dialamah said:

@Canadianjim, He's talking about Pew Research, which has surveyed social attitudes of Muslims.  Argus thinks that if a Muslim believes homosexuality is against God's law, their next action will be to throw them off a roof.

He must think the United States is awful then, since nearly 40% of the population thinks same-sex marriage should not be legal. Why do we let American immigrants come to Canada with such regressive ideologies? We should lock the borders and build a wall. /s

Edited December 21, 2016 by cybercoma

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

He must think the United States is awful then, since nearly 40% of the population thinks same-sex marriage should not be legal. Why do we let American immigrants come to Canada with such regressive ideologies? We should lock the borders and build a wall. /s

 

Like this?

[cybercoma]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Like this?

More like this:

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WALLACE: But -- but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage?”

TRUMP: “I would strongly consider that, yes.”

Or like this:

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‘It’s like in golf,’ he said. ‘A lot of people — I don’t want this to sound trivial — but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive,’ said Mr. Trump, a Republican. ‘It’s weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can’t sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist.’” 

Or like this:

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‘I’m just not in favor of gay marriage. I live in New York. New York is a place with lots of gays, and I think it's great. But I'm not in favor of gay marriage,’ Trump said in the Fox News interview.

Or like this:

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Asked whether he supports allowing same-sex couples to marry, Trump said no. Iowa conservatives have overwhelmingly opposed the 2009 Iowa Supreme Court decision overturning the state’s ban on gay marriage. ‘They should not be able to marry,’ he said. 

Or like this:

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Asked by Bill O’Reilly if he supported same-sex marriage, Trump said, “I'm against it…..I just don't feel good about it. I don't feel right about it. I'm against it and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage.’”

Or like this:

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“While evangelicals may never see him as ‘Pastor Trump,’ they do want to see more substance, especially on issues like the rights of Christian business owners who may not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. ‘I'm very concerned about it and there's going to be a lot of law issued about it,’ Trump said.

Or like this:

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“Donald Trump vowed Monday that if elected president he would rescind the Obama administration's new directives aimed at protecting transgender people against discrimination in schools and health-care coverage.”

 

 

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of his anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, but you wouldn't notice all those instances because you're busy drinking the Kool-aid.

[GostHacked]

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Countries like our allies in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?  

Hahah, that's a point you've brought up before, but seems that is has no weight at all for those who simply wanna bash a whole religion.

[eyeball]

Just now, GostHacked said:

Hahah, that's a point you've brought up before, but seems that is has no weight at all for those who simply wanna bash a whole religion.

It only has no weight to people who choose to abandon their principles or believe that principles don't matter. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Hahah, that's a point you've brought up before, but seems that is has no weight at all for those who simply wanna bash a whole religion.

Exactly.  Whether or not they are our allies has no bearing on the egregious excesses of their religion.

Edited December 21, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[kactus]

8 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

More like this:

Or like this:

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Or like this:

 

 

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of his anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, but you wouldn't notice all those instances because you're busy drinking the Kool-aid.

Brilliant!!!

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Exactly.  Whether or not they are our allies has no bearing on the egregious excesses of their religion.

Our alliance bears on their capacity to be excessive, i.e. we're arming the fucking assholes.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over again and why do you ignore it time and time and time again? Take some fricken' responsibility why don't you?

Edited December 21, 2016 by eyeball

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Our alliance bears on their capacity to be excessive.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over again and why do you ignore it time and time and time again? 

It doesn't, and I don't.  You just use it as way to somehow direct attention away from barbaric religious practices.  As though a blasphemer can be executed in Pakistan because I voted Conservative last time out.  JT got in.  Blasphemy is still punishable by death.

Edited December 21, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

Well you seem to be focused on one particular small group and seem uninterested in who has committed the most terrorism in the last few decades.

This topic is focused on the immigration of extremist religious people into Canada. Unless you think we're importing German Nazis from WW2 everything about Hitler is irrelevant to the topic.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It doesn't,  

Arming dictators doesn't help them?

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You just use it as way to somehow direct attention away from barbaric religious practices.

No I do so to underscore our own barbarism in the scheme of things - which as I've pointed out is worse because we, or at least some of us, know better than to behave like barbarians. 

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and I don't.

Yes I can see that.

Edited December 21, 2016 by eyeball

[GostHacked]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It only has no weight to people who choose to abandon their principles or believe that principles don't matter. 

We know our government leaders have no principles.

[Canadianjim]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

This topic is focused on the immigration of extremist religious people into Canada. Unless you think we're importing German Nazis from WW2 everything about Hitler is irrelevant to the topic.

What are you talking about? No one is importing extremists into Canada knowingly. Explain...

[GostHacked]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

This topic is focused on the immigration of extremist religious people into Canada. Unless you think we're importing German Nazis from WW2 everything about Hitler is irrelevant to the topic.

The US imported many Nazi after the war.

[Canadianjim]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Of course not.  Do you think all those BC people who voted for JT are responsible for the pipelines?

If they vote them back in they are responsible.

[Guest]

Just now, eyeball said:

Arming dictators doesn't help them?

No I do so to underscore our own barbarism in the scheme of things - which as I've pointed out is worse because we, or at least some of us, know better than to behave like barbarians. 

I don't arm them.  I only have one gun and they aren't getting it. 

We both have one vote each.  Are you suggesting we are equally culpable for Pakistani blasphemy laws?

You can't be executed for blasphemy in Canada.  Therefore it is not worse.  It's better.