Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 3 hours ago, ?Impact said: Really, you get that all from a piece of clothing? Yes, like when I see a guy in a military uniform I figure he's in the military, you know. When someone dons the headscarf it is a proclamation of the sincerity and dedication of their beliefs. Your problem is you see religious people through the lens of an atheist used to the laissez faire Christianity which is prevalent in the West. You seem to lack the imagination or understanding of just how devoted Muslims in most parts of the Islamic world are to the religion they've been taught and the morals and culture and values which are associated with it. You are also in deep self-denial about what the tenets of Islam have to say about the subjugation of women, and the punishments due to Jews and gays. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: I don't arm them. I only have one gun and they aren't getting it. We both have one vote each. Are you suggesting we are equally culpable for Pakistani blasphemy laws? You can't be executed for blasphemy in Canada. Therefore it is not worse. It's better. Canada does not execute people. Killers kill people. Edited December 21, 2016 by Canadianjim Quote
eyeball Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, GostHacked said: We know our government leaders have no principles. We also know many of our fellow Canadians are just as unprincipled. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, Canadianjim said: If they vote them back in they are responsible. If they don't they might get in anyway. They would not be responsible then. The outcome would be the same. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: You can include some of the ultra Orthodox Jews that in many ways mimic the behavior you are not in approval of. Fanatics are fanatics either way right? I already mentioned them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, bcsapper said: If they don't they might get in anyway. They would not be responsible then. The outcome would be the same. You are responsible for who you support, regardless of where they get in or not. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Canadianjim said: I never made the claim he justified every action with his belief in God. Never for a second. The same way i don't believe every muslim acts because of God. I think abu graighb pics were more than enough motivation for some people regardless of God. Even though, realistically, what happened at abu graighb was a walk in the park compared to what happens in Arab prisons? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, Argus said: Even though, realistically, what happened at abu graighb was a walk in the park compared to what happens in Arab prisons? Are you sure about that? Have you read the human rights reports. What is worse than being tortured to death. Tell me.. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, kactus said: So why just so much spotlight on moslems? If it's fanatics we are talking about we have our equal share here in the west (and i am not talking about moslems) it seems like both groups don't give a shite about anything and feed in on each other... What fanatics do we have in the west whose beliefs are as bad as that of Muslims from the Islamic countries? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: You are responsible for who you support, regardless of where they get in or not. I don't think you are. One might choose to support a candidate based on a review of all parties policies on all issues. It would be highly unlikely that one would support every policy and proposed action of a single party. Rather, one might decide which was the least objectionable, or one might vote based on a single issue, important to them. Once the x is marked, it's really out of our hands. Quote
kactus Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Argus said: What fanatics do we have in the west whose beliefs are as bad as that of Muslims from the Islamic countries? 4 minutes ago, Argus said: Even though, realistically, what happened at abu graighb was a walk in the park compared to what happens in Arab prisons? Are you talking of experience? Based on what? Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 35 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Hahah, that's a point you've brought up before, but seems that is has no weight at all for those who simply wanna bash a whole religion. You're welcome to look through the last twelve years of my postings here and find where I ever said anything good about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, bcsapper said: I don't think you are. One might choose to support a candidate based on a review of all parties policies on all issues. It would be highly unlikely that one would support every policy and proposed action of a single party. Rather, one might decide which was the least objectionable, or one might vote based on a single issue, important to them. Once the x is marked, it's really out of our hands. If you support Hitler knowing what he did .. What does that make you? Quote
GostHacked Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: We also know many of our fellow Canadians are just as unprincipled. This is apparent with the rhetoric we see here. Agreed! Quote
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, Canadianjim said: If you support Hitler knowing what he did .. What does that make you? A Hitler supporter. What's your point? Quote
kactus Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Argus said: What fanatics do we have in the west whose beliefs are as bad as that of Muslims from the Islamic countries? Same fanatics in the west who are oblivious to the fact that actions of a few extremist does not speak on behalf of all nor their religion.... Quote
GostHacked Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, Argus said: You're welcome to look through the last twelve years of my postings here and find where I ever said anything good about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Your view is very different to how our government treats them. And that is what really counts. Take our government to task to put pressure on Pakistan and the Saudis. What are the chances of that actually happening? And then explain why. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, GostHacked said: The US imported many Nazi after the war. No, it actually didn't. It imported a very, very few people with specialized knowledge. I'm talking about bringing in so many foreigners every year that they now constitute the majority in several of our major cities. And their numbers are growing. As to Muslims in particular, they now represent a substantial portion of the electorate, and their numbers continue to double every 7-10 years. That means their cultural values will become more and more influential in this country. Thus it makes sense to me to ensure that those who are coming here, be they Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs or Jews or other very religious people, do not have beliefs which are inimical to our own values. Because when those beliefs are backed by a religion they are unlikely to change. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, bcsapper said: A Hitler supporter. What's your point? If you vote for a candidate that's committed egregious crimes you are accountable. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: Are you sure about that? Have you read the human rights reports. What is worse than being tortured to death. Tell me.. There was, as I understand it, one death, probably from suffocation, when a prisoner was hung by his wrists, which was contrary to even local orders. How many people do you think are beaten and tortured to death in Iran every year? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Egypt? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Posted December 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, kactus said: Same fanatics in the west who are oblivious to the fact that actions of a few extremist does not speak on behalf of all nor their religion.... So you got nothing... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Canadianjim said: If you vote for a candidate that's committed egregious crimes you are accountable. If you vote for them after the crimes were committed you are, to some extent. If they committed them in Canada, I imagine they would be in jail and not allowed to run. That said, what if JT wanted to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia? How should a BC person who is very much in favour of that, but who is against the pipeline to Burnaby, vote in the next election? Quote
Canadianjim Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Argus said: There was, as I understand it, one death, probably from suffocation, when a prisoner was hung by his wrists, which was contrary to even local orders. How many people do you think are beaten and tortured to death in Iran every year? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Egypt? Geezuz man. read the reports. Do you really believe the Americans?. Hundreds were killed in abu graighb . Further more you do realize they only released some of the pics.?, They did not release them all by any means. They don't deny it either that most have not been released. Maybe the pics of them pulling out fingernails would make you change your mind . Who knows?. Search the human rights reports and get back to me. Quote
eyeball Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't arm them. Our country does and we're responsible for what our country does. Quote We both have one vote each. Are you suggesting we are equally culpable for Pakistani blasphemy laws? No, I said we're responsible for our country's actions. Are you suggesting we're using different dictionaries and the meanings of the words we're using are not the same? Quote You can't be executed for blasphemy in Canada. Therefore it is not worse. It's better. That's not what I was talking about. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
kactus Posted December 21, 2016 Report Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Argus said: So you got nothing... I have already given you the answer.... We do have our own share of fanatics in the west that have same ambitions as ISIS. When a truck goes off in a market these idiots say I told you so...All moslems are fanatics. They are the same. Same way as ISIS loves to carry out terrorist activitues and say I told you so the west hates all moslems...Get it? Edited December 21, 2016 by kactus Quote
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