Immigration of religious fanatics

[Canadianjim]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, it started with centuries of distrust and intolerance for Jews among a fairly unsophisticated people. That was what Hitler built on. The conditions will never be like that in Canada barring a massive breakdown in civilization. And no one is saying untruths about Muslims. Do you deny that the overwhelming sentiment among Muslims in the countries we import immigrants from is extremely hostile to both Jews and gays? Do you deny it's deeply intolerant of liberal moral values and of female equality? No one is making up stuff about Muslims here.

The lies about Muslims are already happening. The equivalency of mis information is identical. Why would a people of any religion support ethnic cleansing? You think bombing Gaza and horrific atrocities means their complaints are because they are muslims. Well guess what Palestinian Christians have the same view. I truly don't understand you people. A western nation invades a nation based  flawed intelligence or  lies. (you choose) They don't just drop bombs on thousands of people , killing their children and mothers, but they open a torture facility. My God. Have you thought what you would do if you saw abu graighb pictures of Canadians being tortured that way? What would you do? I know what I would do and then people like you would call me a terrorist.

[Argus]

9 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

The lies about Muslims are already happening. The equivalency of mis information is identical. Why would a people of any religion support ethnic cleansing? You think bombing Gaza and horrific atrocities means their complaints are because they are muslims. Well guess what Palestinian Christians have the same view. I truly don't understand you people. A western nation invades a nation based  flawed intelligence or  lies. (you choose) They don't just drop bombs on thousands of people , killing their children and mothers, but they open a torture facility. My God. Have you thought what you would do if you saw abu graighb pictures of Canadians being tortured that way? What would you do? I know what I would do and then people like you would call me a terrorist.

It is clear you have no interest in discussing the immigration of religious fanatics but instead are wedded to your zealous anti-Israeli beliefs. Take them to one of the several hundred I hate Israel topics or I'll report your attempted threadjacking to the moderators.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Argus

[Canadianjim]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

It is clear you have no interest in discussing the immigration of religious fanatics but instead are wedded to your zealous anti-Israeli beliefs. Take them to another thread or I'll report your attempted threadjacking to the moderators.

That is true. I don't tolerate religious fanatics. I tolerate people in dire need from war torn areas destabilized by western influence. People who have no where to turn. I have learned from history. Canada and The united states both have a shameful past of turning away boats filled with Jewish refugees . I don't intend to repeat history.

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[PIK]

Sorry but Islam is nor compatible with any other religion. They need to pull themselves out of the 10th century.

[Canadianjim]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Sorry but Islam is nor compatible with any other religion. They need to pull themselves out of the 10th century.

I am sorry but you are uninformed. Your computer  was designed with algorithms in mind, an Arab Muslims invention not to mention Algebra.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Canadianjim

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

I am sorry but you are uninformed. Your computer  was designed with algorithms in mind, an Arab Muslims invention not to mention Algebra.

 

Next Up: Islam discovers America in 1491.

[Canadianjim]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Next Up: Islam discovers America in 1491.

Deflection=weakness

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

Deflection=weakness

Islam appeared responsible for the so-called "Golden Age" due to their enjoying the fruits of their CONQUESTS...appropriated by force from Islam's victims at sword point.

Edited December 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[Canadianjim]

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Islam appeared responsible for the so-called "Golden Age" due to their enjoying the fruits of their CONQUESTS...appropriated by force from Islam's victims at sword point.

Lol... you don't know much about history do you? OMG too funny.,

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

That is true. I don't tolerate religious fanatics. I tolerate people in dire need from war torn areas destabilized by western influence. People who have no where to turn. I have learned from history. Canada and The united states both have a shameful past of turning away boats filled with Jewish refugees . I don't intend to repeat history.

Your self-righteousness notwithstanding, Canada and the US have a better record of taking in refugees than most of the rest of the world. Nor is the middle east mess the responsibility of the West. We did not inspire religious fanaticism, the Saudis did. We did not inspire the Arab Spring. That was the Tunisians. And for a man who says he doesn't tolerate religious fanaticism you seem strangely eager to import the same religious fanatics who are causing the upheaval in the middle east.

 

[Argus]

59 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

I am sorry but you are uninformed. Your computer  was designed with algorithms in mind, an Arab Muslims invention not to mention Algebra.

Middle East history is not the subject. Keep to subject or leave.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Your simplistic retorts always revolve around the most unintelligent, uninformed, and ignorant words you can splice together. Do you imagine anyone is impressed by them or you?

Apparently you are.

[Canadianjim]

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

Middle East history is not the subject. Keep to subject or leave.

I am correcting selective history comments.I didn't bring it up.

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

That is a cheap shot from you. If you made an effort to read his posts and what he challenges it has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with extremist beliefs.

The skin colour of the extremist is immaterial.

No extremist or terrorist should be allowed to hide behind the colour of their skin.

Extremists or fundamentalists or terrorists or whatever you want to call such people are a problem.

Their skin colour is not the issue it is their cultural upbringings that clash with Western values that cause the problems.

In the real world people come from all kinds of cultures some compatible with Western values and others who look down upon our culture and want us to change to suit their values.

How would you like to discuss that without you using the skin colour or religious card to give ignorant intolerant people a free pass on being challenged?

Should we ignore the fact the person who just drove the truck into innocent people in Berlin was a refugee from Pakistan and at one point detained?

Now I have no problem with you saying let's be compassionate. Of course not..but to try shut down a discussion as to how we need to safeguard our society from incoming terrorists and extremists does not make someone a racist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I can certainly determine the ever more xenophobic content of his posts and it never seems to change and I disagree with that approach, so I point it out. It tends to worry me much more than does the Syrian refugee situation in Canada. Once upon a time it was the Chinese that were going to wreak havoc on this country. Then it was the Indians. Now it's the Syrians. Who next? The moral panic was proven to unfounded then and I am confident it will be this time as well.  

[Canadianjim]

12 minutes ago, Omni said:

Apparently you are.

 

16 minutes ago, Argus said:

Your self-righteousness notwithstanding, Canada and the US have a better record of taking in refugees than most of the rest of the world. Nor is the middle east mess the responsibility of the West. We did not inspire religious fanaticism, the Saudis did. We did not inspire the Arab Spring. That was the Tunisians. And for a man who says he doesn't tolerate religious fanaticism you seem strangely eager to import the same religious fanatics who are causing the upheaval in the middle east.

 

Most Syrians aren't fanatics. Repeating it won't change the facts. You realize Isis , Iran, Russia ,assad are all attacking Syrians.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

Not to a social justice warrior. To them that's ALL that matters. Nor does he have the integrity to answer me when I suggest he'd have an entirely different attitude if we were bringing in tens of thousands of racists from the US south. But then, those racists would hate Blacks, while the religious fanatics he loves so much only hate Jews. And Jews aren't really very popular among social justice warriors anyway.

Nope. I answered the question by pointing out you were trying to conflate the KKK with Syrian refugees, so the question was faulty to begin with. You just didn't like being refuted. 

[Rue]

9 minutes ago, Omni said:

I can certainly determine the ever more xenophobic content of his posts and it never seems to change and I disagree with that approach, so I point it out. It tends to worry me much more than does the Syrian refugee situation in Canada. Once upon a time it was the Chinese that were going to wreak havoc on this country. Then it was the Indians. Now it's the Syrians. Who next? The moral panic was proven to unfounded then and I am confident it will be this time as well.  

I respect your opinions as I do those of Argus, I will leave it at that and say he's no racist. Is it xenophobic to worry about cultural clash? I think for some yes, for

others no.

I don't see asking questions about cultural clash as being necessarily xenophobic or racist. Like you I look at the overall context of the comments. You see something

I don't with Argus. Let's  leave it at that. I don't like you or he getting attacked needlessly I guess because I enjoy both sides of your opinions since you both write them very well.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2016 by Rue

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

 

Most Syrians aren't fanatics. Repeating it won't change the facts. You realize Isis , Iran, Russia ,assad are all attacking Syrians.

I'm not talking about fanatics as in people blowing themselves up and shouting God is great. I have noticed a certain elasticity in the term among those who defend Muslim immigration. If a religious Christian from Alberta hated Jews and gays and believed women must obey their husband or be beaten you'd have little problem condemning them as a religious fanatic. But it seems to some people unless a Muslim openly supports murder they get marked down as a moderate. I disagree.

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

Nope. I answered the question by pointing out you were trying to conflate the KKK with Syrian refugees, so the question was faulty to begin with. You just didn't like being refuted. 

You weaseled out of answering the question. Why don't you answer this. How can someone believe Christians who hate Jews and gays are horrible people, but Muslims who hate Jews and gays are moderates?

[Canadianjim]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

You weaseled out of answering the question. Why don't you answer this. How can someone believe Christians who hate Jews and gays are horrible people, but Muslims who hate Jews and gays are moderates?

You weaselled out of telling me why you don't want to ban Christians. The German Christians sent 6 million to the ovens. Why do you not want to ban Christians from Canada?

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

You weaseled out of answering the question. Why don't you answer this. How can someone believe Christians who hate Jews and gays are horrible people, but Muslims who hate Jews and gays are moderates?

Once again I didn't weasel out of anything. I called you on your attempt to tar Syrian refugees and the KKK with the same brush. We have a lot of the former already in this country and I haven't heard of them nailing any gays or Jews to a cross and burning it down.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, PIK said:

Sorry but Islam is nor compatible with any other religion. They need to pull themselves out of the 10th century.

They probably would except we keep bombing and dictating them them back into it.  We reap what we sow.

[drummindiver]

On 18/12/2016 at 2:44 PM, eyeball said:

It's unfortunate people feel the need to fly airliners into skyscrapers to combat that but I can certainly understand why they would.

As-Salaam-Alaikumou  You are more off side than many extreme fanatics. Thinking 9/11 was justified is the most contemptable comment to disgrace this forum. 

 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's right, and then the US came along waving its Shining Beacon up high where everyone could see it and...

...what happened then appears to have been edited or washed from people's memories.  I wonder why anyone would want to do that?

You keep blaming the US.  Their choice. Hell,   they want to come here and change it into the hell they came from. 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

No. I'm condemning Americans. That goalpost is cemented into place. You can try to move it, rephrase what I said, redefine what I mean, and interpret it to mean what you want all you like but I will sit here and bicker with you until the moderators come unglued.

Get it through your head here and now I did not excuse Muslims, I condemned Americans. 

 

See how hard it was to reinterpret what I said there?  The lack of ambiguity left you no room for misunderstanding redefining, reinterpreting what I meant.  The only way you could have done so would be to defend pedophilic priests right?

 

 

You are a bigot of  the highest order. America is your boogy man. Also a hypocrite. Condemn a priest but not the Muslim for the same crime. You are an apologist on this forum without equal.

47 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

You weaselled out of telling me why you don't want to ban Christians. The German Christians sent 6 million to the ovens. Why do you not want to ban Christians from Canada?

Incredible leap there.

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They probably would except we keep bombing and dictating them them back into it.  We reap what we sow.

Back to the blame game. 

You know they don't want this, right?  Have you read Sayyid Qutb's Milestones? That's your NWO.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Canadianjim said:

You weaselled out of telling me why you don't want to ban Christians. The German Christians sent 6 million to the ovens. Why do you not want to ban Christians from Canada?

It was a deeply dishonest question. Germans today are extremely Liberal and moderate. Maybe you should answer why you're focused on a people who did horrible thing seventy years ago instead of people doing horrible things now.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Omni said:

Once again I didn't weasel out of anything. I called you on your attempt to tar Syrian refugees and the KKK with the same brush. We have a lot of the former already in this country and I haven't heard of them nailing any gays or Jews to a cross and burning it down.

And yet again a non-answer.