Immigration of religious fanatics

[Argus]

34 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Government pension only applies to a small percentage of Canadians, as obviously you are not trying to imply CPP with your fat, warm, and comfortable characterization.

Almost everyone in this country is fat, warm and comfortable compared to third world people in refugee camps. How many of the hand wringing liberals sacrifice much to send money overseas to help them?

[Argus]

33 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Then we agree. You can't paint all Muslims the same. No problem. 

You can, however, show that most Muslims from third world countries have an ingrained, religiously inspired cultural hatred for Jews, gays and women. Which is why we should be screening them for those values.

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

That is a lot of synagogues, but I thought there were only on the order of 10,000 Jews living in Iran.

Look up Theresienstadt.

10 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Since '79, the Jewish population of Iran has decreased significantly. As I understand it now, that population has stabilized and is even beginning to slowly grow. Of course most of them might belong to a synagogue, unlike the normal population in Canada were only a small percentage attend a place of worship. While not insignificant, it is a very small percentage of world Jewish population. 80% of the worlds Jews live in Israel and the US. Canada has a large population, but still less than 3% or about 400,000.

Because the Jews have largely been driven out of most of the Muslim countries of the middle east. And the hatred of Israel by Muslims, including by Iran, is entirely due to the religion of the people living there. Trying to pretend Muslims, as a group don't hate Jews is simply a sign of one's dishonesty. We can track the rise of violent antisemitism in Europe today by the rise of the Muslim population of countries like France and Britain and Sweden.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Argus

[Canadianjim]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

You can, however, show that most Muslims from third world countries have an ingrained, religiously inspired cultural hatred for Jews, gays and women. Which is why we should be screening them for those values.

I don't agree at all. You have no evidence of that. However I do. Most religious extremist are not interested in living in a secular society. Those that want the  primitive lifestyle stay where they can get it? Would you move to a communist society if you were a capitalist? Answer is no. Religious extremists don't want to live in Canada. They want to live in an extremist religious nation.

[Argus]

Just now, Canadianjim said:

I don't agree at all. You have no evidence of that.

I have already provided it.

[Canadianjim]

11 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

That is a lot of synagogues, but I thought there were only on the order of 10,000 Jews living in Iran. Since '79, the Jewish population of Iran has decreased significantly. As I understand it now, that population has stabilized and is even beginning to slowly grow. Of course most of them might belong to a synagogue, unlike the normal population in Canada were only a small percentage attend a place of worship. While not insignificant, it is a very small percentage of world Jewish population. 80% of the worlds Jews live in Israel and the US. Canada has a large population, but still less than 3% or about 400,000.

There are many more . i just gave you tehran. But it doesn't matter if it was only 2. Why would 2 synagogues be in a nation that wants to exterminate Jews?. It simply exposes your claim that Iran wants to exterminate Jews. You better be careful what propaganda you  buy in to.

[Canadianjim]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

I have already provided it.

I haven't seen any proof.

[?Impact]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

Look up Theresienstadt.

Not sure I follow. What does a NAZI concentration camp in occupied Czechoslovakia have to do with post '79 Iran? 

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

You can, however, show that most Muslims from third world countries have an ingrained, religiously inspired cultural hatred for Jews, gays and women. Which is why we should be screening them for those values.

This is funny coming from you, comsidering that many Muslim nations have women in high political office, but when women here attain political office, or even recognition, you start snivelling about how they aren't 'deserving', and some guy somewhere was deprived of his just due.   

[dialamah]

4 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

I haven't seen any proof.

@Canadianjim, He's talking about Pew Research, which has surveyed social attitudes of Muslims.  Argus thinks that if a Muslim believes homosexuality is against God's law, their next action will be to throw them off a roof.   In Argus-world, Muslims are unable to resist killing people they disapprove of.   Any example of Muslims behaving otherwise is dismissed as being an anomoly.

Nice that someone else sees how this type of rhetoric is just the same kind of stuff that leads to gas ovens.   Not that I think that can happen in Canada, but all my life I wondered how people could actually let that happen.  Now I'm seeing.

[Canadianjim]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

@Canadianjim, He's talking about Pew Research, which has surveyed social attitudes of Muslims.  Argus thinks that if a Muslim believes homosexuality is against God's law, their next action will be to throw them off a roof.   In Argus-world, Muslims are unable to resist killing people they disapprove of.   Any example of Muslims behaving otherwise is dismissed as being an anomoly.

Nice that someone else sees how this type of rhetoric is just the same kind of stuff that leads to gas ovens.   Not that I think that can happen in Canada, but all my life I wondered how people could actually let that happen.  Now I'm seeing.

There's an old saying. He that controls the  question controls the  answer.

[Omni]

1 hour ago, Canadianjim said:

By the way what are the Muslim opinions that well know about women ? Because i have seen muslims societies where women can't leave the home and are veiled. I have also seen muslims societies where women are doctors and don't wear a veil . So what are you referring to when you say well known? 

And so have I, even within a single country, namely Afghanistan. Go to Kabul and women are walking down the street bare faced on their way from their tenure as a university professor. Move a hundred miles away and you will see veiled women. Go for the short flight to Dubai for a night and you will be sitting at teh bar chatting with locals, both sexes, sipping a glass of wine. And some of the nicest hotels I have ever seen. I doubt Argus has travelled much or his mind might be not quite so closed. And I'm letting him off easy with that description. 

[Argus]

26 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Not sure I follow. What does a NAZI concentration camp in occupied Czechoslovakia have to do with post '79 Iran? 

The Nazis tried to pretend how friendly they were towards Jews there. Similarly, the Iranians and their allies try to make a big deal about there still being a few thousand old Jews in Iran. They have no power or wealth and they don't ever say anything against the government. But Iran lets them stay as an example of how munificent they are. Meanwhile they threaten Israel, threaten to destroy them, muse about using nuclear weapons because even if many Muslims die in the response, well, there are a lot o Muslims. They also continually commit acts of war against Israel by sending arms and advisors and money to terrorist groups which attack Israel.

But don't worry, they don't do it because they hate Jews! It's because they're so outraged that Israel isn't respecting human rights!

Iran, one of the world's biggest executioner states, where torture is routine...

[Omni]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

And yet again a non-answer.

Yet again a non sequitur.

[drummindiver]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No, the most contemptible comment was where you accused me of supporting pedophiles.

No they want us to stop supporting dictators and interfering in their region.  Bin Laden explained all this to America before 9/11. 

I compared America to a perverted priest and condemned both their crimes.  As for Muslims and condemnation, remember when our troops were in Afghanistan and they became aware of Muslims we where aligned with raping little kids? Apparently our troops could actually hear the kids screaming and we ordered them to do nothing - to not interfere - is the irony of that in the context of this discussion at all apparent to you or are you oblivious to it?

It's not a game. Of course nobody likes this. And no that's not my NWO at all.

As you say,  show me where I said that. You can't.  I can however show where you think it ok to fjy airplanes into buildings full of people.

You see the irony of your buddy Bin Laden condemning dicratorships, right?.

I won't comment on the rape anecdote. We can all agree horrific.

Sharia law clearly is your hoped for end game. Evil Empire crashing down.

 

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

And so have I, even within a single country, namely Afghanistan. Go to Kabul and women are walking down the street bare faced on their way from their tenure as a university professor.

I love the flexible standards of liberals. Hey, if some women are allowed to show their faces, then it's all good! Life is great for women in Afghanistan! I bet you even pretend you're a feminist, too. At least to yourself.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

24 minutes ago, dialamah said:

@Canadianjim, He's talking about Pew Research, which has surveyed social attitudes of Muslims.  Argus thinks that if a Muslim believes homosexuality is against God's law, their next action will be to throw them off a roof.

Can you provide me a list of gay pride events in Muslim countries, please?

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

I love the flexible standards of liberals. Hey, if a woman is allowed to show her face, then it's all good! I bet you even pretend you're a feminist, too. At least to yourself.

As much as I fear the narrow minded thinking of xenophobes. We have all seen how horrible that can turn out. Details have already been covered so I won't remind you.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Omni said:

As much as I fear the narrow minded thinking of xenophobes. We have all seen how horrible that can turn out. Details have already been covered so I won't remind you.

I fear the narrow minded thinking of xenophobes too.  It's one of the reasons I get involved in threads about religion. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

Well land theft is rarely viewed favourably.

Neither is bloody murder, but I don't blame all Muslims when some of them carry it out. 

Anyway, if you believe that about the Jews, what's your opinion of the Homosexuality data?

Edited December 21, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[Canadianjim]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

I love the flexible standards of liberals. Hey, if some women are allowed to show their faces, then it's all good! Life is great for women in Afghanistan! I bet you even pretend you're a feminist, too. At least to yourself.

Maybe you should start with the  mormons and them marrying 13 year old girls? Or is that acceptable to you?

[Canadianjim]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Neither is bloody murder, but I don't blame all Muslims when some of them carry it out. 

Anyway, if you believe that about the Jews, what's your opinion of the Homosexuality data?

Homosexuality? I know most conservatives disapprove of it.

[Canadianjim]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

The Nazis tried to pretend how friendly they were towards Jews there. Similarly, the Iranians and their allies try to make a big deal about there still being a few thousand old Jews in Iran. They have no power or wealth and they don't ever say anything against the government. But Iran lets them stay as an example of how munificent they are. Meanwhile they threaten Israel, threaten to destroy them, muse about using nuclear weapons because even if many Muslims die in the response, well, there are a lot o Muslims. They also continually commit acts of war against Israel by sending arms and advisors and money to terrorist groups which attack Israel.

But don't worry, they don't do it because they hate Jews! It's because they're so outraged that Israel isn't respecting human rights!

Iran, one of the world's biggest executioner states, where torture is routine...

When Netanayu visited the  republican congress  a few years ago  he was warning how Iran wanted to wipe Israel off the  map. But of course that meant to right wingers he wants to exterminate all the  Jews. He also mentioned in passing Khomeni was tweeting his hate. Most people missed that. You probably did to. But i didn't miss it. So I looked up Khomeni's tweets. He tweeted out a 9 point plan for the  Israel/palestinan problem. Guess what?. It has nothing to do with exterminating Jews. Go look it up yourself. The 9 point plan. It's even in the israeli newspapers.  Now you might not like the plan. You may disagree with it. But at least it may stop you from lying about. The propaganda you people have been assuming was somehow fact is inexcusable. Now I just gave you the information that you need to prove your misconceptions were false. Go ahead google the plan. Now ask your self. What else don't you know that you think you know?

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Homosexuality? I know most conservatives disapprove of it.

Not the orientation. The data. 

[Canadianjim]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Not the orientation. The data. 

I haven't seen the data you are referring to.