President Trump's cabinet

[sharkman]

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Right or left, most people only care about their own "side" and ignore a lot of the crap their own "side" does.  All the garbage Harper did? The silence from the right on this board was deafening.  So please spare us this nonsense, neither righties or lefties have any ethical high ground.

 

 

My simple point is, if one is uncapable of criticizing the likes of Van Jones, and a crew of tax cheats, then one's opinions have little integrity, say what you want about Harper.

Edited November 15, 2016 by sharkman

[Derek 2.0]

4 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Please cite where a cleaner has Top Secret clearance.  That's just dumb Derek.

 

Here's the FAQ for internships and fellowships

 

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Regional Finalists are required to submit comprehensive background information, as Fellows must be qualified to pass a top secret security clearance. Once this information is submitted, background investigations will commence.

 

 

 

 

 

What is dumb is someone thinking one can work inside the White House without a top secret security clearance......

Edited November 15, 2016 by Derek 2.0

[DogOnPorch]

3 hours ago, kimmy said:

He said he'd protect them from being shot by Muslim radicals, but he didn't promise to protect them Christian radicals like Mike Pence. I once again mention my observation that right-wingers seem to only care about gay rights when it presents the opportunity to slam Muslims... it looks like you're doing your level best to become Exhibit A on that front.

Trump might genuinely have no issue with gay people. In fact I suspect he probably doesn't.   On the other hand, he made America's biggest bigot Mike Pence his running-mate, and appointed a Family Research Council mook to chair his "domestic policy" team, so that's not very promising.

Trump's latest opinion on the subject is that gay marriage is "a done deal", which I'm sure has Mike Pence shaking with rage.

 -k

 

So Mike Pence will be attacking the gay community? What forms do you feel the attacks will take? Baseball bat or something softer?

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, Derek 2.0 said:

So what? They'd need it to enter the West Wing of the White House.....secretaries, cleaners and stewards get the same. 

 

1 hour ago, Derek 2.0 said:

What is dumb is someone thinking one can work inside the White House without a top secret security clearance......

 

There are three categories of security clearance for those working around the President.  What is known as Yankee White clearance category 1 is the highest level, and that would be for the the top decision makers especially around matters concerning national security. Category 2 would be for the general staff, including support function like cooks and cleaners. Category 3 is for those that participate in events, like honour guards, etc. but not full time.

I expect that Trump's children should as a minimum have Yankee White category 2, they are trusted advisors and will be likely be spending considerable time at the Whitehouse (non-escorted). I personally have no problem with them getting category 1 clearance, I think that really depends on what, if any, jobs they are assigned. The focus on top secret is meaningless, there are over a million Americans with that level of clearance. Much as I despise Donald Trump, to suggest that the Trump [adult] children should not receive top secret level clearance is ridiculous, assuming they pass the required vetting.

What some people fail to realize, is that having an security clearance does not automatically give you access to all information. There is still the "need to know" requirement that must be passed for access to any specific piece of information, and that is up to the disclosure officer in the originating department. All classified information is compartmentalized, and just having a security clearance does not allow you unrestricted access. Your clearance is simply a indication to the disclosure officer that you have been properly vetted to a certain classification level. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by ?Impact

[Derek 2.0]

10 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

There are three categories of security clearance for those working around the President.

Yes......I know.

 

12 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Yankee White clearance category 1 is the highest level

 

No it isn't.....Yankee White is a DoD grade, and wouldn't apply to civilian White House staff

15 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Category 2 would be for the general staff, including support function like cooks and cleaners.

 

No, category 2 is for military support staff, like cooks and stewards (only military personal, namely USN, are allowed to handle the President's food)

 

18 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Category 3 is for those that participate in events, like honour guards, etc. but not full time.

 

Again, for military groups, like the Marine drill team or the 3rd Infantry Regiment.......not civilian White House staff.

 

20 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I expect that Trump's children should as a minimum have Yankee White category 2, they are trusted advisors and will be likely be spending considerable time at the Whitehouse (non-escorted). I personally have no problem with them getting category 1 clearance, I think that really depends on what, if any, jobs they are assigned. 

 

His children won't get any of said clearances as they're not military personal, nor employed by the Pentagon...........They would receive a standard top secret clearance, just like all the other employees in the West Wing, conducted by the (new) NBIB.......anything beyond that, for both military and civilian workers, goes into the domain of compartmented clearance and special access programs, which includes everything form intelligence ways & means and of course the nukes.....and if cleaners, secretaries etc have to work in areas with such information (White House situation room, CIA, NSA, parts of the FBI, Pentagon etc), in which they could come in contact with it, they to have to have an equal or greater level of security clearance as the information they could be exposed to............

 

The only people with such access, minus a clearance, are elected officials (President, Vice President, Senators and Congressmen etc) or those that went through a conformation process (Cabinet, Supreme Court justices, heads of agencies etc).

 

 

[?Impact]

2 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

No it isn't.....Yankee White is a DoD grade, and wouldn't apply to civilian White House staff

I suggest you read DOD #5210.87, pay close attention to section E3.1.2 & E3.1.3

[DogOnPorch]

Zzzzzzzz....of course his kids are going to have WH clearance.

[Derek 2.0]

10 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I suggest you read DOD #5210.87, pay close attention to section E3.1.2 & E3.1.3

I suggest you stop wasting my time and figure out what WHMO means 

[?Impact]

11 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

I suggest you stop wasting my time and figure out what WHMO means 

I stand corrected, only those who report to DoD have the Yankee White clearance, although they can be both military and civilian personnel. I don't know if Cristeta Comerford works for the DoD, do you have any reference?

[Derek 2.0]

22 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

although they can be both military and civilian personnel.

 

Yes, I know, I said as much.

 

23 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I don't know if Cristeta Comerford works for the DoD, do you have any reference?

 

The head chef would be a civilian appointment, with her staff (assigned to the Presidential Food Service) being military, from chefs, to tasters, to stewards. None the less, both civilian and military alike will be required the same level of clearance.............just like other White House (unelected or not confirmed)  staff, including the Trump children.

[kimmy]

9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

So Mike Pence will be attacking the gay community? What forms do you feel the attacks will take? Baseball bat or something softer?

Laws and rhetoric are always the weapon of choice for his ilk.

 -k

[Topaz]

Who ever is the head of Home Security or the Attorney General, should arrest Geo. Sorsos, because he is completely responsible for what happen during and after the election and he also has had his hand in certain spots in of the world  and caused unrest.    

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[DogOnPorch]

46 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Laws and rhetoric are always the weapon of choice for his ilk.

 -k

 

So you're worried about gay-rights. Understandable as I am, too.

Do you feel Hillary had a better plan for the gay community? Mass Islamic immigration and such? I do not. So it comes to a choice between two outcomes. One outcome involves death....or fear of death. Shot on a dance floor...or some other place.

The other involves something a bit less lethal.

[bush_cheney2004]

Steve Bannon is OK by me...he served his country as a surface warfare naval officer on the USS Paul F. Foster (DD-964), one of the first Spruance class destroyers.

[Argus]

21 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

" Several articles have estimated his IQ at around 156, which would make him smarter than 99.98% of the population."

Trump is so smart, he made you think he's stupid.

Intelligence is not wisdom. Trump is stupid because he proposes stupid, simplistic policies, believes nonsense with little evidence, and acts like an undisciplined, emotional child.

Besides, the estimate you refer to was based on his graduating Wharton school of business. Thing is he attended Fordham and transferred to Pennsylvania state. He was accepted at Wharton principally because the guy interviewing him was a friend of his brother, and he did not get an MBA, which is what Wharton is famous for.He didn't. He wasn't a noticeably good student, either.

Nothing about his speech, his vocabulary, his actions, or behavior or his ability to think on his feet shows a high IQ

Edited November 15, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

14 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

The only people with such access, minus a clearance, are elected officials (President, Vice President, Senators and Congressmen etc) or those that went through a conformation process (Cabinet, Supreme Court justices, heads of agencies etc).

Unless, of course, the president says "Give it to them".

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Intelligence is not wisdom. Trump is stupid because he proposes stupid, simplistic policies, believes nonsense with little evidence, and acts like an undisciplined, emotional child.

 

Well, that sounds a lot like the current prime minister of Canada.   He also pouts and lashes out when he doesn't get his way.

Trump should at least get as much leash before ever taking office.

Edited November 15, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[kimmy]

11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

So you're worried about gay-rights. Understandable as I am, too.

Trying to deflect attention away from a guy like Pence being in Trump's inner circle is an odd way of showing your concern.

11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Do you feel Hillary had a better plan for the gay community? Mass Islamic immigration and such?

Your theory that Hillary had a secret plan to bring millions of Muslims to conquer America for the caliphate is sheer lunacy and not worth further discussion.

11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 So it comes to a choice between two outcomes. One outcome involves death....or fear of death. Shot on a dance floor...or some other place.

The other involves something a bit less lethal.

The election is over and there is no longer a choice between two outcomes. What is now relevant is that the President-Elect has brought well-known bigots into his inner circle.

I'm sure gay people in America will be relieved to know that the government doesn't want to shoot them, however.

"Don't Worry, We Ain't Fixin' To Shoot Ya!" would be a catchy name for the new anti-gay bill just tabled in Texas!

 -k

[DogOnPorch]

I respect your decision to support Hillary over Trump.

The next few years will be hard, I suppose...for you.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, kimmy said:

I'm sure gay people in America will be relieved to know that the government doesn't want to shoot them, however.

 

Harder to do that when Obama/Clinton bigots want to curtail gun rights.   Good thing those bigots lost the election.   Even gays will get to keep their guns.

[?Impact]

Curtail what? Having people on the no-fly list being able to purchase as many guns and ammunition they want?

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Curtail what? Having people on the no-fly list being able to purchase as many guns and ammunition they want?

 

Yes...it is their right to do so.  Can't take away an enumerated right without due process don'tcha know.   No-fly lists don't meet that standard.

[kimmy]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

I respect your decision to support Hillary over Trump.

The next few years will be hard, I suppose...for you.

I'll be fine. Canadian, remember?  My US travels will probably be limited to our friendly blue-state neighbors to the direct south. It's Americans living in red states I'm more concerned for.

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Harder to do that when Obama/Clinton bigots want to curtail gun rights.   Good thing those bigots lost the election.   Even gays will get to keep their guns.

Yes, thank goodness that freedom-loving patriot Omar Mateen was able to own assault weapons despite being on multiple terror watch-lists.

 -k

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes...it is their right to do so.  Can't take away an enumerated right without due process don'tcha know.   No-fly lists don't meet that standard.

I'm an NFA member...perhaps kimmy and Derek are, too.

City slickers...

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Yes, thank goodness that freedom-loving patriot Omar Mateen was able to own assault weapons despite being on multiple terror watch-lists.

 

Indeed....those who are afraid of constitutional rights can move to Canada.   Guns today...guns tomorrow...guns forever !

How else would we stop liberal zombies crazy about Trump and Bannon ?

Edited November 16, 2016 by bush_cheney2004