Monsef said she wanted to keep Iran trip 'hush-hush'

[Smallc]

She shouldn't have to step down unless she's found to have done something wrong - hell, we should at least wait until she's accused of it.

[eyeball]

On 11/2/2016 at 6:09 AM, PIK said:

 

This is a serious affair going on...

The concern being raised over this is ridiculous...it's on par with fears over creepy clown masks.  It's amazing how tightly wound up some people insist on being. 

I wonder how many old stock Canadians are descended from similarly tangled roots of conflicted often failed regions?

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 2016-10-29 at 0:10 PM, msj said:

We  Don't know.  

I also doubt it's a crime to keep on the low that she visited her former refugee homelands. Especially if she disclosed the trip as was necessary in any filings she was required to make. 

We live in a country where we have too many people like you: quick to judgement and damn the facts. 

Thats a far bigger issue for me than whether or not she was in a country or two.

Uhm the only way I'm "judging her" is that she's surrounded by secrets and I find this a bit suspicious.  Some of her doing, some probably not.

The person I really am judging is her mother, who is a liar, and seems highly likely she lied on her application for permanent residence, who should be investigated, and if shown she did lie should be treated as anyone who committed such a crime, namely being stripped of her Canadian Citizenship and deported back to her country of origin unless her life would be at significant risk from doing so.

[Moonlight Graham]

35 minutes ago, Smallc said:

She shouldn't have to step down unless she's found to have done something wrong - hell, we should at least wait until she's accused of it.

Agreed.

[andromeda]

55 minutes ago, Smallc said:

She shouldn't have to step down unless she's found to have done something wrong - hell, we should at least wait until she's accused of it.

monsef is under investigation for possible citizenship fraud which puts into question her eligibility to serve as  cabinet minister as well as a sitting mp.   the nature of the investigation demands she at least step down as minister seeing that it's an office of higher trust.   in my opinion this would be the appropriate thing to do.

[Smallc]

Actually I was unaware of that - I think she should step down pending the results. 

[andromeda]

11 minutes ago, Smallc said:

Actually I was unaware of that - I think she should step down pending the results. 

does it serve monsef well,  the government, or the people of Canada ......  with her operating as minister with a big black cloud hanging over her head?

[Smallc]

I already agreed with you

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, andromeda said:

does it serve monsef well,  the government, or the people of Canada ......  with her operating as minister with a big black cloud hanging over her head?

How is anyone served well by getting this uptight over a little greyish cloud that apparently passed by when she was a little girl?

[andromeda]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How is anyone served well by getting this uptight over a little greyish cloud that apparently passed by when she was a little girl?

i'm not uptight over anything.   I just think that laws which apply to ordinary Canadians or would be Canadians should apply to cabinet ministers as well.

[Michael Hardner]

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Actually I was unaware of that

The problem with this thread is that the real story was buried in the middle of the thread, between a conspiracy theory and an at-best-unclear OP.

 

Let's all learn from this.

[drummindiver]

On Wednesday, November 02, 2016 at 10:38 AM, msj said:

But but but a new born/child/kid should know their birthplace. 

They should just feel it! 

Like a Jedi or something. 

My gawd these forums are growing tiresome with all the stupidity.  

Your boy sent a 4 year old out of country for same thing. Libs are getting tiresome with their stupidity.

[drummindiver]

On Thursday, November 03, 2016 at 0:55 PM, PIK said:

What I have been reading she knew before she said she did. That is why she needs to stepped down until a investigation is done. And if it is just a mistake and she did not lie, she gets her job back.

Wrong. The Liberal government has been deporting 40 to 60 ppl per month for same issue (but oh those evil conservatives)  Why shold ahe get a pass because she's a Lib?

[drummindiver]

On 11/3/2016 at 5:37 PM, eyeball said:

How is anyone served well by getting this uptight over a little greyish cloud that apparently passed by when she was a little 

On 11/3/2016 at 9:11 PM, Michael Hardner said:

The problem with this thread is that the real story was buried in the middle of the thread, between a conspiracy theory and an at-best-unclear OP.

 

Let's all learn from this.

The real story is that a sitting member of parliament is in Canada illegally with her family.  The secretive trips to Iran were probably to see family, so clearly she needed these trips to be hush hush to maintain her lies.  ThE only thing we need to learn is that the Libs will deport a 4 year old but not one of their own for the same crime. Nepatism  alive and well in the Liberal party. 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Charles Anthony
fixed mal-formed quotes

[eyeball]

Of course if she had a beard at the time that would change everything.

[overthere]

What is very puzzling is why Monsef simply does not state the truth about where she was born, when she learned that fact, and details of her journeys to Iran.   The chances are very high that all will be forgiven, since the worst thing is the immigration fraud was not of her doing- at least not initially.   It seems pretty clear she has been lying, and that her mother filed a fraudulent application.  This might put her mother in jeopardy, but that is outside her control unless ..... she does or has done something to interfere with that from her position as a Cabinet MInister.

 

Or is there something worse lurking, and why isn't the PM insisting on full and complete public disclosure of all facts?.

 

 

[msj]

36 minutes ago, overthere said:

What is very puzzling is why Monsef simply does not state the truth about where she was born, when she learned that fact, and ....

She made a statement already: "In recent days, my mother told me for the first time that my sisters and I were in fact born in Mashhad, Iran, approximately 200 kilometres from the Afghan border...."

So she has already spoken the truth and that quote is reported from September 22, 2016.

Why do people like you lie about stuff like this?

Edited November 5, 2016 by msj

[Smallc]

Because, Trudeau!

[drummindiver]

6 hours ago, msj said:

She made a statement already: "In recent days, my mother told me for the first time that my sisters and I were in fact born in Mashhad, Iran, approximately 200 kilometres from the Afghan border...."

So she has already spoken the truth and that quote is reported from September 22, 2016.

Why do people like you lie about stuff like

And according to Canadian law she should be sent back to Iran. Or does law of the land only count agai st conservatives?

[drummindiver]

5 hours ago, Smallc said:

Because, Trudeau!

Because law!

[drummindiver]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course if she had a beard at the time that would change everything.

Strawman.

[eyeball]

Strawgirl you mean, just a little one.

[WestCoastRunner]

On 2016-11-03 at 6:11 PM, Michael Hardner said:

The problem with this thread is that the real story was buried in the middle of the thread, between a conspiracy theory and an at-best-unclear OP.

 

Let's all learn from this.

Since the mod and some fellow posters agree that this is an at-best-unclear OP can we clean up the OPs before they take on a stupid momentum? 

[Michael Hardner]

We sometimes do that, but there are a lot of factors at play - such as whether the thread was replied to, the general direction of the thread.  More learning for all of us, I guess.

[PIK]

Also read statements by people that knew her and they say they knew about it a long time ago. Someone is lying and she needs too step down.