Because it's 2016

[Smallc]

I voted Indie. But at least one person now admits to voting for this POS.

I'm very happy with my vote. When the campaign started, I planned to vote Conservative. I'm glad I didn't.

You seem to have changed your story now.

[msj]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/trudeau-nl-church-fogo-1.3510985

The Catholic church doesn't allow women to be priests or any church leadership position. Clearly a mysoginistic viewpoint. The churches hid pedophile priests to avoid prosecution. Clearly, this church supports women being 2nd class citizens and is pro-pedophile.

Where were all you people when he attended services there?

Oh dear, now you've done it.

They are going to call Trudeau a pedophile now!

[Argus]

Even the British are commenting on Trudeau's hypocrisy.

Former Wall Street Journal reporter and author Asra Nomani said: “Right now we have these political leaders — ironically, politically liberal leaders — who are just putting blinders on their eyes about their values.

“That’s the big differential for liberals, they fancy themselves as honouring the women’s body and yet the segregation by its very definition hyper-sexualises women’s bodies.

“That’s the great irony.”

She added she felt Mr Trudeau and other politicians who support gender equality should refuse invitations from gender-segregated places of worship including mosques.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710592/Canada-prime-minister-Justin-Trudeau-feminist-mosque-segregated

[Smallc]

The British? All of them?

[msj]

No there actually isn't. The opinion is coming from you and the other progressives defending Trudeau. The facts are coming from the other side. You have NO facts.

Here are two. First, there are mosques where women are segregated from men, boys from girls. There are mosques where this is not done.

Second, Trudeau chose the first kind of mosque, praised them rather than condemning, and ignored the second kind of mosque.

These are the main facts in this discussion.

It is your insinuations which are opinion rather than fact.

Sure, they are based on facts but it is clearly hyperbole to go on and on about Trudeau being some kind of misogynist because he visited a Mosque that segregates.

When Trudeau segregates his cabinet and brings in a new doorway for female MP's to enter the House and brings in anti-abortion legislation then I will believe he has gone over to the religious nut side.

Until then, not buying it.

A visit does not condone anything.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh dear, now you've done it.

They are going to call Trudeau a pedophile now!

What is he doing at a mosque whose rhetoric is: murder all the Jews in the next Holocaust???

These are Canadian values? Genocide?

[msj]

If anything look at the attention this is raising.

Maybe Trudeau is trickier than we give him credit for.

After all, even the British (all of THE BRITISH!) are talking about him.

Edited September 14, 2016 by msj

[DogOnPorch]

If anything look at the attention this is raising.

Maybe Trudeau is trickier than we give him credit for.

After all, even the British (all of THE BRITISH!) are talking about him.

He said the mosque's values are our values.

[msj]

What is he doing at a mosque whose rhetoric is: murder all the Jews in the next Holocaust???

These are Canadian values? Genocide?

Was he present at that sermon?

He said the mosque's values are our values.

And you take him literally? Really?

Edited September 14, 2016 by msj

[DogOnPorch]

Was he present at that sermon?

And you take him literally? Really?

More excuses.

[msj]

He said the mosque's values are our values.

According to the statement on the pm.gc.ca website he says this:

“Today, Muslims in Canada and around the world will gather to celebrate Eid al-Adha, which marks the end of the Hajj.

“Eid al-Adha is an opportunity for prayer, forgiveness, and celebration. Friends and family will gather to attend morning prayers, share a celebratory meal, exchange greetings and gifts, reflect on lessons of sacrifice, and show compassion to those in need.

“It is on days like today that we are reminded of the values that bring all Canadians together – those of peace, empathy, family, and friendship.

“Today also serves as an opportunity for us all to recognize the invaluable contributions of our thriving Muslim community that enrich our national fabric each and every day. No matter our faith, culture, or country, we are reminded that our diversity is Canada’s greatest strength.

“On behalf of our family, Sophie and I extend our best wishes to Muslims in Canada and around the world who are celebrating Eid al-Adha, and congratulate those performing the Hajj this year.

“Eid Mubarak!”

So, forgive me for missing the part where he said that "Canadians want to kill the Jews, oh, yes, we really do want them dead, pronto!" [For some reason I hear a John Oliver British accent when I read this quote]

Edited September 14, 2016 by msj

[msj]

To be fair, I suppose Trudeau may have muttered that under his breath and it never made the official statement release.

[DogOnPorch]

According to the statement on the pm.gc.ca website he says this:

So, forgive me for missing the part where he said that "Canadians want to kill the Jews, oh, yes, we really do want them dead, pronto!" [For some reason I hear a John Oliver British accent when I read this quote]

You're free to excuse al-Qawadari's Antisemitism. JT visited his mosque...attends their Islamic Spirit Revivals...claims we share values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArtiAI52d9M

[msj]

Also, to be fair, given our history one could argue that genocide is a Canadian value but that is a topic for another thread.

[DogOnPorch]

Also, to be fair, given our history one could argue that genocide is a Canadian value but that is a topic for another thread.

More BS.

[msj]

You're free to excuse al-Qawadari's Antisemitism. JT visited his mosque...attends their Islamic Spirit Revivals...claims we share values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArtiAI52d9M

So now you are going back to 2015?

You think that Trudeau supports antisemitism based on his support of RIS?

Really? You have anything ... tangible to support this view?

And by this I don't mean Trudeau breathing the same air as people who hold repugnant views.

I mean direct statements from him indicating he is antisemitic.

[msj]

You're free to excuse al-Qawadari's Antisemitism

I have not excused his antisemitism at all.

Actually, I don't think I have talked about that because this thread is about Trudeau and how he is somehow supposed to be some kind of pro-Muslim (but the crazy orthodox kind not the moderate kind) who despises Jews.

Put up the evidence such as direct actions and words and perhaps my mind can be changed.

All I see is a politician doing the usual "building bridges" type of thing.

I'm sure he also does that with Jews too.

Well, when he is not trying to gas them.... maybe that's Trudeau's ploy! He is trying to lull Jews into a trap!

We need Admiral Ackbar to sound the warning!

Wait a minute - "Ackbar?" Sounds like "Akbar" to me.

As in "Allahu Akbar."

It is a trap!

---

For the record - that "Wait a minute" part is to be read with a Homer Simpson like voice.

Edited September 14, 2016 by msj

[cybercoma]

So those attending a Nazi Rally aren't Nazis?

This is the rhetoric of said mosque you defend...

Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption ... The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them.... Allah Willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.

---Imam al-Qaradawi

Which one?

Trudeau is a Nazi, now? Your hyperbole doesn't even deserve a response.

[cybercoma]

So, forgive me for missing the part where he said that "Canadians want to kill the Jews, oh, yes, we really do want them dead, pronto!" [For some reason I hear a John Oliver British accent when I read this quote]

You're talking to the poster who claims the girl, who was shot in the face by a Taliban extremist, ​is funding terrorism in Palestine. I'm sorry but at what point should we step back and realize that his arguments are completely irrational and not worth addressing?​

[Argus]

It is your insinuations which are opinion rather than fact.

Sure, they are based on facts but it is clearly hyperbole to go on and on about Trudeau being some kind of misogynist because he visited a Mosque that segregates.

I've never claimed or even suggested Trudeau is a misogynist. I think he's shallow, callow and blissfully ignorant of his own hypocrisy when he talks up women's equality but then bestows official approval of gender segregation.

Maybe Trudeau is trickier than we give him credit for.

He'd have to be.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

I have not excused his antisemitism at all.

Not explicitly. But like Trudeau you apparently feel that it's simply unacceptable to criticize a brown man, particularly a Muslim, for anything he feels or says or wants or does.

Only white people are bigots. For the rest, progressives simply turn their heads away and whistle as they pretend it never happened.

[Boges]

Trudeau is a Nazi, now? Your hyperbole doesn't even deserve a response.

No but the head of that Mosque seems to be supportive of the Holocaust. Not exactly a Canadian value and something Canadians should celebrate.

[DogOnPorch]

No but the head of that Mosque seems to be supportive of the Holocaust. Not exactly a Canadian value and something Canadians should celebrate.

Seems to be?

[Michael Hardner]

A lot of personal comments happened a few pages ago - which isn't going to stop me from warning on them here.

Please stop, thank you.

[msj]

Not explicitly. But like Trudeau you apparently feel that it's simply unacceptable to criticize a brown man, particularly a Muslim, for anything he feels or says or wants or does.

Only white people are bigots. For the rest, progressives simply turn their heads away and whistle as they pretend it never happened.

How would you know how I feel?

I am not talking about the "brown man" because I do not think he is all that relevant here.

Yes, I know he holds repugnant ideas - ideas that I disagree with and I am sure Trudeau disagrees with too. Which I have already stated many times in this very thread.

But Trudeau was not stating that Canadians share every value with every single person in that Mosque.

Nor was he saying that Canadians share every value with only the leadership of that Mosque.

He was saying that Canadians and Muslims share many values etc etc I have already linked to the official statement that spells it out in detail.

This thread is about Trudeau and certain people like you and DOP who think that because he happens to state a few words to build bridges with this community and because he is in the same space and breaths the same air as people who hold some bad ideas that this somehow means that Trudeau believes those same ideas and is somehow celebrating them.

He doesn't. He ain't.

Stick to the statement where Trudeau states: It is on days like today that we are reminded of the values that bring all Canadians together – those of peace, empathy, family, and friendship.

I think many Muslims value peace, empathy, family and friendship. Other Canadians also value those too.

How is this statement controversial?