Because it's 2016

[msj]

Would JT go to a church that preaches similar things as say the WBC? Would we support it?

Depends on the context.

I have no problem with it because I think it is appropriate for our elected officials to meet with voters of all kinds of beliefs even if they are offensive to our own.

[DogOnPorch]

Depends on the context.

I have no problem with it because I think it is appropriate for our elected officials to meet with voters of all kinds of beliefs even if they are offensive to our own.

[msj]

I can go to church...anywhere...and listen to the pastor/priest rail-on about murdering all the Jews?

Where?

Not if it's Himmler's church.

You can hear priests rail against lots of people they are not a friend to.

As I have already stated: spend some time with the Friendly Atheist and you will see videos for yourself (although BC_2004 warning - these are US content).

[Boges]

Depends on the context.

I have no problem with it because I think it is appropriate for our elected officials to meet with voters of all kinds of beliefs even if they are offensive to our own.

Just to be clear, if the WBC opened up a chapter in Canada, you'd support the sitting PM visiting that church.

[DogOnPorch]

You can hear priests rail against lots of people they are not a friend to.

As I have already stated: spend some time with the Friendly Atheist and you will see videos for yourself (although BC_2004 warning - these are US content).

Where?

Just to be clear, if the WBC opened up a chapter in Canada, you'd support the sitting PM visiting that church.

That's what the poster wrote.

[DogOnPorch]

Gay rights...women's rights...human rights...all trumped by Islam.

JT supports Islam over Human Rights.

[DogOnPorch]

And if you voted for the man...so do you.

[msj]

So you think Trudeau is going to implement Sharia in Canada?

This is going to be like Obama: after 8 years and we still do not see a mosque on every corner in the US, nor the confiscation of guns etc etc.

Although I hear if Hillary wins there will be a Mexican taco truck on each corner.

Edited September 14, 2016 by msj

[msj]

And if you voted for the man...so do you.

Earth to DOP, Earth to DOP, that is not how chronological time works....

[Guest]

Then he should have demanded they not have been segregated. Or would that have been intolerant?

Should he demand a female priest/pastor at a Catholic or Lutheran church or would that be intolerant?

I think it makes more sense for a PM to lead by example rather than to ostracize various Christian and Islamic communities. Promoting positive secular, humanist values that lead to a demand for change from within a community will yield more positive results than an attempt to force values on a specific group.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Guest

[DogOnPorch]

So you think Trudeau is going to implement Sharia in Canada?

This is going to be like Obama: after 8 years and we still do not see a mosque on every corner in the US, nor the confiscation of guns etc etc.

Although I hear if Hillary wins there will be a Mexican taco truck on each corner.

JT went to a mosque run by Yusuf al-Qaradawi. A man who regularly calls for the death/murder of Jews, homosexuals and anybody else considered Islam's enemies.

JT treated his own female MPs as second class citizens to not offend said mosque.

Earth to DOP, Earth to DOP, that is not how chronological time works....

You do now.

[msj]

I think change will come sort of like the quiet revolution in Quebec in the 1960's.

One day mosques will find that the young are not coming because they have embraced secular values.

Even those who do show up will be more secular than the previous generation.

So, meh.

[Boges]

Should he demand a female priest/pastor at a Catholic or Lutheran church or would that be intolerant?

I think it makes more sense for a PM to lead by example rather than to ostracize various Christian and Islamic communities. Promoting positive secular, humanist values that leads to a demand for change from within a community will yield more positive results than an attempt to force values on a specific group.

I don't think attending such religious services and complying to their practices promotes secular values at all.

[DogOnPorch]

Eid represents Canadian values according to Trudeau. Does it?

[Boges]

I think change will come sort of like the quiet revolution in Quebec in the 1960's.

One day mosques will find that the young are not coming because they have embraced secular values.

Even those who do show up will be more secular than the previous generation.

So, meh.

Isn't there evidence that first generation Muslims are becoming more radicalized?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540895/Young-British-Muslims-getting-more-radical.html

Edited September 14, 2016 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

I think change will come sort of like the quiet revolution in Quebec in the 1960's.

One day mosques will find that the young are not coming because they have embraced secular values.

Even those who do show up will be more secular than the previous generation.

So, meh.

Is that your theory?

Islam has existed since the 7th century AD as a violent misogynistic doctrine...but you feel it will spontaneously become pro-Western in Canada...eh?

[Guest]

I don't think attending such religious services and complying to their practices promotes secular values at all.

What effect will ostracizing religious communities have on his ability to promote humanist values? Will the youth of a particular group be more or less likely to follow the example of leaders they see as an enemy of their community?

[DogOnPorch]

Isn't there evidence that first generation Muslims are becoming more radicalized?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540895/Young-British-Muslims-getting-more-radical.html

Yes....more than Dad...not less.

What effect will ostracizing religious communities have on his ability to promote humanist values? Will the youth of a particular group be more or less likely to follow the example of leaders they see as an enemy of their community?

There are at least 57 countries where they can beat women and slaughter sheep in peace.

[Boges]

What effect will ostracizing religious communities have on his ability to promote humanist values? Will the youth of a particular group be more or less likely to follow the example of leaders they see as an enemy of their community?

Not attending a service of one of the more radicalized versions of that faith doesn't really ostracize the entire faith.

[Guest]

There are at least 57 countries where they can beat women and slaughter sheep in peace.

Canadian women were only permitted to vote 100 years ago, or less depending on the province. I suspect it would have taken longer, or not happened at all under a theocracy, Christian or otherwise. There are ups and downs but the world has been trending towards a safer, more ethical, less violent place. We have to continue to promote humanist values wherever we can. Even on this forum we have an example of a Muslim who has been taught to interpret the Quran in ways more compatible with modern ethical standards. That's how reformation and secularization happens.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Guest

[Boges]

Canadian women were only permitted to vote 100 years ago, or less depending on the province. I suspect it would have taken longer, or not happened at all under a theocracy, Christian or otherwise. There are ups and downs but the world has been trending towards a safer, more ethical, less violent place. We have to continue to promote humanist values wherever we can. Even on this forum we have an example of a Muslim who has been taught ways to interpret the Quran in ways more compatible with modern ethical standards. That's how reformation and secularization happens.

But JT did none of that in his meeting with this church. In fact he affirmed the idea that the "sisters" had to sit on the balcony.

Why couldn't he have found a more moderate Mosque where some of those values are being practiced? Or was this just vote pandering and not a movement for actual change?

[Guest]

Not attending a service of one of the more radicalized versions of that faith doesn't really ostracize the entire faith.

....

Why couldn't he have found a more moderate Mosque where some of those values are being practiced? Or was this just vote pandering and not a movement for actual change?

Bringing powerful females into a more moderate community makes less of a statement or example. Fundamentalist type communities can only thrive when blinders are put on the worldview of their youth. The more glimpses of modern, strong Canadian women or examples of men who treat women as equals, that youth being raised in fundamentalist religious communities can see, the better.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Guest

[Boges]

Bringing powerful females into a more moderate community makes less of a statement or example. Fundamentalist type communities can only thrive when blinders are put on the worldview of their youth. The more glimpses of modern, strong Canadian women that youth being raised in fundamentalist religious communities can see, the better.

And treating those "powerful females" as second class citizens negates all that. It shows fundamentalists that the PM has no problem with how they conduct their business/faith. But I guess it buys votes.

[Big Guy]

Another tedious Muslims bad Christians good thread. If denying segregation between women and men during religious service then devout Jews and Quakers would be jailed. And allowing a religion to practice symbolic cannibalism during their services ??? that has to be stopped!! - Hear that you Catholics?

Yet the bigots bleat on.

[Boges]

If denying segregation between women and men during religious service then devout Jews and Quakers would be jailed.

Who's saying these Muslims should be jailed? Your hyperbole kind of negates your argument.