Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[Hal 9000]

All one needs to do is look at the populations of muslims in other countries, then look at what is going on in those countries relative to the population. It's as simple as connecting the dots. In every western country (or community), when the muslim population goes to 5%, that's when the trouble starts.

Argus is only wrong about timeline, we'll be at 5% sooner than he thinks.

[Smallc]

We're already above 5% in many big cities. Be afraid - be very afraid.

[?Impact]

Lock your door, and hide your children, the Muslims are coming.

[Machjo]

Canadian-values questionnaire:

1. Do you believe that a woman should have the right to have an abortion?

2. Do you morally support same-sex marriage?

3. Do you think prostitution should be legalized?

We can only imagine what kind of crazy questions could be asked in a Canadian-values questionnaire. No thanks.

[Machjo]

How would vetting have prevented Russell Williams from immigrating to Canada?

[Machjo]

Exactly what are Canadian values, and who gets to decide on them. Can we deport the home grown right wing nutcases that flunk the test?

What do we do about those with only Canadian Citizenship?

I was thinking that we could carve out an uninhabited part of Canada, make it a protectorate of Canada, and ship them there?

[Hal 9000]

Lock your door, and hide your children, the Muslims are coming.

I wonder if they still laugh at jokes like that in France or Germany. "put on those chastity belts girls it's New Years Eve - haha!"

[Smallc]

I wonder if they still laugh at jokes like that in France or Germany.

The Muslim population in Toronto is up to 8% - it must be total mayhem there.

[Machjo]

I don't think you have to dig too deep into ones that are controversial. Just stick to the ones that there is near unanimous agreement on in Canada. I.e. all men and women are considered equal under the law and have equal rights in all aspects of life, freedom of speech (even offensive speech, but not hate speech) must be protected, separation of religion from the state, etc.

What you're describing there is a knowledge-test of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Universal values, not Canadian values.

Canadian values are those that are unique to Canada, like official bilingualism or the separate school system.

[Hal 9000]

The Muslim population in Toronto is up to 8% - it must be total mayhem there.

Not mayhem yet, but how many terrorist plots (that we know of) have be thwarted in the Toronto area.

[Smallc]

A lot of gang shootings too - crime happens.

[Machjo]

Why would it never work? Half of these people don't even know their beliefs, like executing apostates, or beating women is wrong.

And we wouldn't be asking direct questions. You can be a lot more subtle in personality tests than that. Employers use them to assess suitability all the time.

And those tests aren't necessarily accurate.

[Machjo]

Because the first thing the government is going to do is announce this change and talk about it on the news. After that there will be a whole pile of stories about how it works.

Almost nobody is going to be stupid enough to fail the test. A lot of these people have already filled out countless forms and waited years.

Like I said the idea is too stupid to even consider.

They'll include the questions and correct answers in the citizenship study guide.

[Machjo]

Obviously we're all being silly.

Back to serious. Anyone who isn't Canadian by birth should face deportation if convicted of a crime. No appeal.

A Canadian man marries a foreigner. They have a child. He cheats on her and she learns about it while they were walking along a riverside path. Witnesses witness her slap him. One happened to be a police officer so he immidiately arrests her for assault.

She should now be deported?

[Machjo]

apparently such a determination is done by asking many indirect questions. Certainly never up front, direct questions. There is also the other problem that official 'Canadian' values would have to be kept secret and not advertised for fear of the immigrant merely answering by rote.

Secret Canadian values. LOL

[Guest]

A Canadian man marries a foreigner. They have a child. He cheats on her and she learns about it while they were walking along a riverside path. Witnesses witness her slap him. One happened to be a police officer so he immidiately arrests her for assault.

She should now be deported?

You missed a bunch of posts. The issue of the care I take with my posts has been dealt with.

[Argus]

You are kidding, right? The Dailymail as a credible source.

Why don't you just admit that if it doesn't come from Al Jazeera you don't believe it's credible?

[Argus]

Please show that this is an actual problem on the scale you say it is.

It's not a big problem. It's going to become one, however, if the number of Muslims grows and their backward social views remain unchallenged.

We're already above 5% in many big cities. Be afraid - be very afraid.

I'll ask you the same question. Please show me which countries in the world have 10% Muslims and have no religious violence coming from that community.

[Argus]

A lot of gang shootings too - crime happens.

In Ottawa the gang shootings are all coming from the Muslim community, as a matter of fact. We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

[dialamah]

Why don't you just admit that if it doesn't come from Al Jazeera you don't believe it's credible?

I rarely read Al Jazeera.

[Peter F]

In Ottawa the gang shootings are all coming from the Muslim community, as a matter of fact. We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

Cite?

[The_Squid]

We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

I call bullshit. That's simply untrue.

[Smallc]

In Ottawa the gang shootings are all coming from the Muslim community, as a matter of fact. We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

In Toronto, it's mostly coming from the Caribbean community, from what I understand.

And a bad year with 11 murders so far for a city of 1M is pretty much the envy of the world, unless you happen to be from Quebec.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Smallc

[SpankyMcFarland]

In Ottawa the gang shootings are all coming from the Muslim community, as a matter of fact. We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

Some are 'involved' as victims:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/homicide-overbrook-stabbing-1.3459610

Is the person accused here a Muslim?

Regarding Ottawa gang shootings, are the perpetrators or victims randomly distributed across the Muslim community? Do we have Afghan, Indonesian or Bosnian stories or something more specific? I am hearing about Somali issues in Ottawa quite a bit now.

[jacee]

In Ottawa the gang shootings are all coming from the Muslim community, as a matter of fact. We've had 11 murders this year and every one has involved Muslims.

Argus you've been asked to provide links to back up your claim.

Or is this just a bald-faced lie?

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