Accommodating male/female segregation for Muslims?

[DogOnPorch]

No...lol...Muslim men. We've all heard about the mass sexual assaults by Muslim men and such here in Canada.

[Altai]

No...lol...Muslim men. We've all heard about the mass sexual assaults by Muslim men and such here in Canada.

No Muslim men would do such things. The last time about thousands of criminal complaints were made to police in Germany during New year evening were proven by camera records that these complaints were fake to blame it on Syrian refugees.

A verse from Quran wants men not to even look at a foreign women with care.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Altai

[TimG]

The last time about thousands of criminal complaints were made to police in Germany during New year evening were proven by camera records that these complaints were fake to blame it on Syrian refugees.

A false statement. One or two of the complaints turned out to be false. The vast majority were true examples of Muslim men preying on German women. Now you can argue these men are ignoring the message in the Quran but you can't argue the incidents did not occur. Edited September 2, 2016 by TimG

[Altai]

A false statement. One or two of the complaints turned out to be false. The vast majority were true examples of Muslim men preying on German women. Now you can argue these men are ignoring the message in the Quran but you can't argue the incidents did not occur.

About 1700 of them turned to be false. They are not able to prove it and police mostly detained people who were never been in the place in that night where so called incident were occurred. Its told by head of the German police union that they could not find any of attackers.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160106/cologne-police-cant-work-this-way-minister

Edited September 2, 2016 by Altai

[TimG]

Its told by head of the German police union that they could not find any of attackers.

Except not being able to find the attackers does not mean the complaints were false. It is simply absurd to suggest that so many people would lie, not to mention the fact that many of the incidents were caught on camera it just was not possible to identify the perpetrators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year.

Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, "It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good.

It is a mystery why you are are so much denial.

I guess it is just a matter a time before you claim the holocaust never occurred.

Edited September 2, 2016 by TimG

[Altai]

Except not being able to find the attackers does not mean the complaints were false. It is simply absurd to suggest that so many people would lie, not to mention the fact that many of the incidents were caught on camera it just was not possible to identify the perpetrators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year.

It is a mystery why you are are so much denial.

I guess it is just a matter a time before you claim the holocaust never occurred.

The truth could be "denied". Lies could be "rejected". I reject the lies. I am rejecting soo much because your govts. are lying soo much. Okay then, there were thousands of Canadians in Turkiye attacked women in new year night, but sorry I cant prove it and this does not mean it was not occurred.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Altai

[TimG]

Okay then, there were thousands of Canadians in Turkiye attacked women in new year night, but sorry I cant prove it and this does not mean it was not occurred.

Where are the hundreds of independent witnesses claiming it occurred? Where is the video evidence showing that attacks occurred by some assailants even if they could not be identified? Where are the actual arrests of people fitting the alleged profile?

Yes there is a lot of misinformation out there and it is reasonable to be skeptical of some claims. But there are also many circumstances where there is sufficient independent evidence to conclude the claims are basically correct.

Edited September 2, 2016 by TimG

[dialamah]

No...lol...Muslim men. We've all heard about the mass sexual assaults by Muslim men and such here in Canada.

No Muslim men would do such things. The last time about thousands of criminal complaints were made to police in Germany during New year evening were proven by camera records that these complaints were fake to blame it on Syrian refugees.

A verse from Quran wants men not to even look at a foreign women with care.

A false statement. One or two of the complaints turned out to be false. The vast majority were true examples of Muslim men preying on German women. Now you can argue these men are ignoring the message in the Quran but you can't argue the incidents did not occur.

I expect the truth is somewhere in the middle of all the media hype. I don't doubt that our media is slanted, and that Altai's media is slanted.

In any case, there are sexual assaults on women in Canada every single day. Whether one is assaulted in a crowd on New Years, or at a party on Campus, or in your own kitchen, it's wrong. Acting as if it's 'more' wrong because might be Syrian refugees and/or Muslims is ridiculous.

[TimG]

Acting as if it's 'more' wrong because might be Syrian refugees and/or Muslims is ridiculous.

Who said it is "more" wrong. The only ones engaging in those kinds of relativism are progressives like the Swedish politician who claimed that sexual assault by immigrants who are too ignorant to know any better is not as bad as sexual assault by "Swedes".

I was only reacting to the outright denial of the incident.

Edited September 2, 2016 by TimG

[CITIZEN_2015]

The German incident on New year's Eve angered me a lot and somehow I can believe that there were mostly committed by Middle Eastern newcomers. I have seen with my own eyes Lebanese young men going into crowded bars and purposely touching women. It is part of their Middle Eastern culture for most but not all and I think that segregation of sexes is responsible for this behavior as I think they didn't have the courage or experience to approach a girl nicely and ask her for dance.. Btw, they were Christian Lebanese not muslims. And yes there were a few more Lebanese who were not doing this. Do you ban everyone from Lebanon or Middle East. Not fair to those who behave civilized.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Acting as if it's 'more' wrong because might be Syrian refugees and/or Muslims is ridiculous.

No it i monstrous because these damn people had no where to go and were dying or in danger and German people welcomed them with open arms and housed and fed them and that was how they paid back the generosity by assaulting defenseless innocent girls who opened the door on them. German police must locate those responsible and deport them back to the war zone they don't deserve it.

[dialamah]

No it i monstrous because these damn people had no where to go and were dying or in danger and German people welcomed them with open arms and housed and fed them and that was how they paid back the generosity by assaulting defenseless innocent girls who opened the door on them. German police must locate those responsible and deport them back to the war zone they don't deserve it.

Yeah, generally speaking people can be assholes. I agree it's monstrous what they did. But then again, when 4 or 5 boys get together to rape a passed out high-school girl, is it less objectionable because they were born and raised in the same country as the girl they raped? I don't see how anyone can define one as less (or more) morally bankrupt than the other.

[DogOnPorch]

Did these young men co-ordinate with other young men across America to conduct mass rape?

Did men other than Muslim men join-in on the New Years Eve sexual assault-fest across Germany?

[Altai]

Where are the hundreds of independent witnesses claiming it occurred? Where is the video evidence showing that attacks occurred by some assailants even if they could not be identified? Where are the actual arrests of people fitting the alleged profile?

Yes there is a lot of misinformation out there and it is reasonable to be skeptical of some claims. But there are also many circumstances where there is sufficient independent evidence to conclude the claims are basically correct.

Does not mean we cant do that. If we want, we can prepare such a scenario but you need to understand that we are not similar to you. False flags is the profession of Western countries, not ours.

[dialamah]

Did these young men co-ordinate with other young men across America to conduct mass rape?

Did men other than Muslim men join-in on the New Years Eve sexual assault-fest across Germany?

Did you read the article? Why are you trying to excuse their actions?

[DogOnPorch]

Did you read the article? Why are you trying to excuse their actions?

Did these young men co-ordinate with other young men across America to conduct mass rape? Well...did they?

Did men other than Muslim men join-in on the New Years Eve sexual assault-fest across Germany? Well...did any?

[Argus]

I see, sexual segregation is prestigious in your mind.

You continue to willfully ignore the difference between private, selective segregation and segregation imposed from above for religious reasons. Why?

[Argus]

Does not mean we cant do that. If we want, we can prepare such a scenario but you need to understand that we are not similar to you. False flags is the profession of Western countries, not ours.

A lot of people think your government was responsible for the initial bombings - against kurds in Turkey, which it then used as an excuse to bomb kurds in Iraq and ten restart its war with the Kurds. Reason, Erdogan had lost his parliamentary majority, in large part because of the popularity of a secular Kurdish political party. So he wanted to make people angry at the Kurds to vote for him again. This was successful and he got his majority back and is now changing the constitution to give himself more power.

[Argus]

No Muslim men would do such things.

Really? Seems to happen an awful lot in Egypt, not to mention Syria and Iraq.

To say no Muslim man, or no Turkish man, or no American man or no Christian man would do 'such things' is absurd. There is no population in the world made up of perfect people. Muslim men commit rape all the time, just as Christian men do. And anyway, your religion permits the rape of infidel captives. Muhammad and his people took sex slaves from those they conquered. Including his nine year old 'wife'.

As Muhammad's armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives. Allah revealed:

Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html

Edited September 3, 2016 by Argus

[CITIZEN_2015]

the most famous one : ANTI SEMITIC

Now that you mention I was called that too. There is or was a poster called Rue who called me first a Muslim fanatic!!!!! and then in Israel thread called me (and anyone else who condemned criminal actions of Israeli government and military against civilians) as Anti-Semitic!!!!!.

Edited September 3, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Altai]

A lot of people think your government was responsible for the initial bombings - against kurds in Turkey, which it then used as an excuse to bomb kurds in Iraq and ten restart its war with the Kurds. Reason, Erdogan had lost his parliamentary majority, in large part because of the popularity of a secular Kurdish political party. So he wanted to make people angry at the Kurds to vote for him again. This was successful and he got his majority back and is now changing the constitution to give himself more power.

You are brainwashed, anything you talk about my country is wrong. You should stop following your own media. They are causing hatred and enmity between us. This is paranoia with one word. You cant back your claims with evidences. Also I am not interested talk about whether or not a terrorist was right. Its sad that we are going to fight each other in a war in the future because of hostile attitudes of your goverments and you will lose.

[TimG]

You are brainwashed, anything you talk about my country is wrong.

Erdogan is a thug that has been working hard to destroy all of the democratic institutions in Turkey and set himself up as a dictator. He wants to do to Turkey what Putin did to Russia. The only real unknown is whether he is simply lucky that these "opportunities" to consolidate his power keep showing up or if he creates them himself. There is good reason to suspect that the coup attempt itself was instigated by Erdogan so he could completely crush the last remaining elements of democracy in Turkey.

Please don't waste you time calling me "brainwashed". The fact that you can't see what is going on in your own country does not make me "brainwashed". It makes you a dupe.

A little hint: democracy requires an opposition and a free press that say things the government does not like even if these things "insult" the current leadership. If "insulting" Erdogan can get you put in jail then Turkey has no democracy. These are facts that you have already confirmed so you can't really deny them.

[Altai]

Really? Seems to happen an awful lot in Egypt, not to mention Syria and Iraq.

To say no Muslim man, or no Turkish man, or no American man or no Christian man would do 'such things' is absurd. There is no population in the world made up of perfect people. Muslim men commit rape all the time, just as Christian men do. And anyway, your religion permits the rape of infidel captives. Muhammad and his people took sex slaves from those they conquered. Including his nine year old 'wife'.

As Muhammad's armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives. Allah revealed:

Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html

Both verses are wrong translated. The arabic word which is translated as "or" does not mean "or" but it means "so" in the verses.

So verses means that "Muslim man can only be in sexual relationship with their wife, so which they married by mutual agreement."

There is no word in the verses which means "slave" or something similar.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Altai

[Altai]

Erdogan is a thug that has been working hard to destroy all of the democratic institutions in Turkey and set himself up as a dictator. He wants to do to Turkey what Putin did to Russia. The only real unknown is whether he is simply lucky that these "opportunities" to consolidate his power keep showing up or if he creates them himself. There is good reason to suspect that the coup attempt itself was instigated by Erdogan so he could completely crush the last remaining elements of democracy in Turkey.

Please don't waste you time calling me "brainwashed". The fact that you can't see what is going on in your own country does not make me "brainwashed". It makes you a dupe.

A little hint: democracy requires an opposition and a free press that say things the government does not like even if these things "insult" the current leadership. If "insulting" Erdogan can get you put in jail then Turkey has no democracy. These are facts that you have already confirmed so you can't really deny them.

The president is supported by %85 of Turkish people and he is the first president of Turkiye who become president by election. We stopped an army to protect him just a few weeks ago. Can you stand against a tank to protect your country ? Can you understand how we trust him ? Yes the coup attempt was a perfect reason to clean all the traitors. We are one of the top three the World's fastest growing economies since he is a president. This is why your govts are afraid of us and fabricating fake news to wash their own people's brain. Because Turks are coming back and this is really a huge problem for Western countries because they wont be able to act as they wish in ME and in World.

We have much more free media than any other countries. How come you are producing this much of lies about my country ? Do you know how ? Because we have a free media, your media organs are freely acting in my country, they have offices they have TV channels. But I hope it will be banned one day in the future to make false news in my country. Any news agencies who cannot prove their claims should be closed.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Altai

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