Bonam Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Ongoing updates here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/ Interesting times! It seems a faction within the Turkish military has attempted to seize power and the outcome is as yet uncertain. Quote
scribblet Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 You beat me to it, I'm looking at the Telegraph now... According to the President it's an act encouraged by the "parallel structure" - his shorthand for followers of Fethullah Gulen, a U.S.-based Muslim cleric who he has repeatedly accused of attempting to foment an uprising among his followers in the judiciary and the military. Turkey is secular although Erdogan is a hard liner so it's hard to determine who wants what... the U.S. has a base and military equipment there and Turkey was negotiating to become part of the E.U..... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
-TSS- Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Either this is delightful news or a step into a bloody civil war. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Things not looking great for the coup leaders right now. The police are siding with Erdogan. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
scribblet Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Just read that Ergodan is seeking asylum in Germany... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
kactus Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Turkey's collaboration with ISIS was not a good news to bolster its position against it''s own kurds....This is good news in light of Turkey being a Nato member and at doorstep of european union.... Quote
Rue Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Slow down. There's no Turkish military coups. The thread starter has it all wrong. Edited July 15, 2016 by Rue Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Reports of Erdogan flying to Germany. You'd think he would need to deny that promptly if it wasn't true. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Rue Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Bonam I did not mean to insult you. I meant the Telepgraph has it wrong. Quote
Rue Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) No why would he deny something false if he did that he gives it credence. You don't deny false stories you ignore them. Slow down already. Edited July 15, 2016 by Rue Quote
Bonam Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Posted July 15, 2016 Bonam I did not mean to insult you. I meant the Telepgraph has it wrong. No offense taken. Do you have a link to an alternative explanation of what is going on? Quote
Argus Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 There are certainly a lot of reasons for the Turkish military to take command. To start with, they are the guardians of the secular state, tasked with that by Ataturk. Erdogan has been pulling in the other direction since the first got elected, trying to make Turkey more Islamist. Add in his corruption, his repeated violation of the constitution, his kangaroo courts and crushing of freedom of speech and press, and then just for spice, his restarting the war with the kurds, costing hundreds of lives, just so he could discredit the secular kuridish political party which had been gaining support. If this fails, according to commentators, and I agree, Erdogan will become even more authoritarian, cracking down on dissent even further, and crushing any hope of an eventual democracy in Turkey. It might well fail. The coup plotters obviously failed at what should have been their first task, which was arresting or killing Erdogan. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-TSS- Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Erdogan is one of the men whose fault it is why we in Europe are so screwed up. The other scapegoats are our own spineless leaders and the oligarchy and kleptocracy of the EU. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Report of an F-16 fighter loyal to Erdogan shooting down a helicopter. The coup may be 5 years too late. Edited July 15, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Argus Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 Report of an F-16 fighter loyal to Erdogan shooting down a helicopter. The coup may be 5 years too late. Yes, he's had time to fire all the military generals and replace them with croneys. They, in turn, have promoted people loyal to the Islamist government. They should have turned on him when he did that years ago. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-TSS- Posted July 15, 2016 Report Posted July 15, 2016 I would imagine that in a cosmopolitan city such as Istanbul there would be no support for islamist regime. This night could really be good news or terribly bad news depending on whether the coup has succeeded or if there is a start of a civil war in Turkey. Quote
kactus Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 I think this was orchastrated by Erdogan. If anything this will make him more authoritarian in future.... Quote
scribblet Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 I doubt that, According to an official the coup has been repelled https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 The Turks voted for Erdogan, unfortunately. He seems to be what a large number of them want. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 These plotters may not have been secular. For Europe, stability and secure borders are the top priorities. They need Erdogan right now. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Big Guy Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 Successful coups usually follow a recipe: 1. Arrest (kill) head of state. 2. Arrest members of government. 3. Take over media to make sure that coup propaganda and only coup propaganda is released. 4. Establish a new leader or spokesman who now speaks for the country. Not sure this one is following the recipe. It probably will not work. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Archduke al-Qaddafi Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 Well there actually is one civilized, stable, peaceful Moslem country..... oh wait Quote
?Impact Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 I would imagine that in a cosmopolitan city such as Istanbul there would be no support for islamist regime. What about Tehran? Quote
Rue Posted July 16, 2016 Report Posted July 16, 2016 No offense taken. Do you have a link to an alternative explanation of what is going on? Not yet and I know you were following the news with the rest of us. The story is unfolding. Give it a day or two. The damn press throws out bs in the heat of it. Doesn' look like a true coups but maybe a faction of angry soldiers maybe over his flip flop over Syria? Ask me tomorrow but I bet you have better answers and will know as much as me tomorrow. Sorry though I just meant everyone slow down in a nice way. It sounded know it all. I meant it in a hang on hang on the stories seem to be changing as they come in. I also doubt it was a US military spokesman who said Erdogan was seeking asylum in Germany. That sounds like a bogus planted story to embarrass him. What we do know is Obama is pro Erdogan and he's still in control of the US military and they aren't helping a coups. If some soldiers broke away they probably are anti Syrian and can't stand his flip flop. Just a guess Bonam just a guess. Lol wait until I call Bibi. Quote
Bonam Posted July 16, 2016 Author Report Posted July 16, 2016 Successful coups usually follow a recipe: 1. Arrest (kill) head of state. 2. Arrest members of government. 3. Take over media to make sure that coup propaganda and only coup propaganda is released. 4. Establish a new leader or spokesman who now speaks for the country. Not sure this one is following the recipe. It probably will not work. Yep, sounds like the coup is failing. Quote
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