Big Guy Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 The USA has just revealed that they have assassinated the leader of the Taliban by an American drone in Pakistan: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/taliban-leader-killed-drone-strike-160521204020111.html The Taliban are currently involved in peace talks with the puppet government of Afghanistan to reach some kind of solution. The USA has decided to enter a sovereign nation (Pakistan) without permission, to assassinate a person who is considered to be the leader of a group who is in the middle of negotiating a resolution to a war that the USA started. So if Obama, representing one of the nations at the negotiating table, was on a trip to .... lets say Canada, and a Taliban suicide bomber took him out on parliament hill, would that be OK? I mean what is fair for one should be fair for the other. Should it not? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) I don't know. Do the Taliban think it's fair? Edited May 23, 2016 by Charles Anthony delete [Opening Post] Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 "Do as I say, not as I do" -America The Palestinians assassinated RFK... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 The U.S. Senate Select Committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (the Church Committee) reported in 1975 that it had found "concrete evidence of at least eight plots involving the CIA to assassinate Fidel Castro from 1960 to 1965."[18] Wiki Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 No big deal.....Canada did the same thing to Haiti...several times. Permission ? Canada don't need no steenkin' permission. A very Canadian coup in Haiti ...Canada sent “a team of JTF2 [Joint Task Force 2] commandos to Haiti four days before the coup” (American Forces Press Service, March 14, 2004). They “took control of the Port-au-Prince airport on…February 29, 2004…. About 30 Canadian special forces soldiers secured the airport and two sharpshooters [were] positioned on top of the control tower.” (AFP, March 2, 2004) https://tonyseed.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/a-very-canadian-coup-in-haiti-top-10-ways-canada-aided-the-2004-coup-and-its-reign-of-terror/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 No big deal.....Canada did the same thing to Haiti...several times. Permission ? Canada don't need no steenkin' permission. not again! Not that ole' chestnut of yours... again! Notwithstanding your reference has nothing to do with this thread about 'fairness in assassinations', your accounts of that Haiti situation are always ones that have you ignoring/deflecting the lead planning/operations roles the U.S. took in the government overthrow. considering the U.S., without a trial, will kill an American citizen abroad, should there be any surprise that it would kill the leader of a group actively engaged in negotiating war resolution. . Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 I'd really need to know the status of the "peace talks" at the time (not what the US says was a the status) before I could make any judgement. As for US sending drone strikes into Pakistan, it's an act of war and counter to THE most very basic and fundamental international law. Then again, the US is basically at de facto war with Pakistan anyways. The ISI, Bin Laden, habouring the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and now this? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Topaz Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 I'd say the US is a pro when comes to this how many of their own Presidents have they killed and as for Canada, I only know of Thomas D'arcy McGee back in 1868. God only knows how many the CIA have taken out since the WW2 and they were busy during the 1960's. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 Pretty sure the CIA didn't do the Lincoln assassination. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 Pretty sure the CIA didn't do the Lincoln assassination. yabut... what about the CIA plots to assassinate Cuban President Fidel Castro... and the CIA's... "rumoured", at least, cover-up surrounding the assassination of U.S. President Kennedy and/or, at most, the direct or indirect involvement in that assassination? More documents to be declassified in 2017 - stay tuned. . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) yabut... what about the CIA plots to assassinate Cuban President Fidel Castro... and the CIA's... "rumoured", at least, cover-up surrounding the assassination of U.S. President Kennedy and/or, at most, the direct or indirect involvement in that assassination? More documents to be declassified in 2017 - stay tuned. . Before George Bush Sr took over the CIA, the place was full of cowboys. The most nefarious thing the early CIA got involved with was the South Vietnamese Phoenix Program...effective...but so was the SS. Edited May 23, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 Before George Bush Sr took over the CIA, the place was full of cowboys. The most nefarious thing the early CIA got involved with was the South Vietnamese Phoenix Program...effective...but so was the SS. so... just those early CIA cowboys then - gotcha! Same cowboys that "took out the Shah of Iran" and set the Middle-East on a path towards radical Fundamentalist Islam... those cowboys? . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 so... just those early CIA cowboys then - gotcha! Same cowboys that "took out the Shah of Iran" and set the Middle-East on a path towards radical Fundamentalist Islam... those cowboys? . Nobody 'took out' the Shah of Iran. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 As well, it wasn't the CIA that set Islam on a radical path. That was its founder, Mohammad. In modern times it would be al-Banna...Qutb...al-Husseini...al-Qassam... etc. But, your soft bigotry is noted. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 ya ya... we could resurrect older threads for some fun but... that CIA coup that did establish the Shah, also set in place the framework for the eventual Iranian Revolution and the, as I said, taking out of the Shah of Iran and setting the Middle-East on a path towards radical Fundamentalist Islam. But I do relish your want to put that all off to just, "an early bunch of CIA cowboys"! . Quote
eyeball Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 It set off the GWOT which will also come to be known as WW3. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 ya ya... we could resurrect older threads for some fun but... that CIA coup that did establish the Shah, also set in place the framework for the eventual Iranian Revolution and the, as I said, taking out of the Shah of Iran and setting the Middle-East on a path towards radical Fundamentalist Islam. But I do relish your want to put that all off to just, "an early bunch of CIA cowboys"! . It didn't 'establish the Shah'. The Shah had been on the throne since 1941...no gaps. What you can't accept is Iranians involved in an Iranian coup. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 It set off the GWOT which will also come to be known as WW3. Don't forget to include all the other "blowback", and other terms learned from American media, true or not. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted May 23, 2016 Report Posted May 23, 2016 A cold blooded pathological scum was taken out. Fair? Yah tell that to the thousands of innocent civilians he ordered tortured, mutilated, raped, murdered. What a pathetic whiny thread. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Posted May 23, 2016 ... What a pathetic whiny thread. The first 19 comments were not. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted May 24, 2016 Report Posted May 24, 2016 Before George Bush Sr took over the CIA, the place was full of cowboys. The most nefarious thing the early CIA got involved with was the South Vietnamese Phoenix Program...effective...but so was the SS. Are you making a comparison between the CIA and the SS as being kind of the same? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2016 Report Posted May 24, 2016 Are you making a comparison between the CIA and the SS as being kind of the same? Instead of staring around blankly, why not look-up the Phoenix Program? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 24, 2016 Report Posted May 24, 2016 Instead of staring around blankly, why not look-up the Phoenix Program? Is that a yes? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2016 Report Posted May 24, 2016 Is that a yes? GH stares around blankly.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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