Our new Syrian refugee immigrants.

Smallc · October 3, 2016

Canadians, except for the central Canada elites like Trudeau, have always believed immigrants should assimilate and become like the rest of us, rather than clinging to their old world ways. That's particularly so given so many of those ways are primitive, if not actually medieval.

No one expects people to keep things that don't agree with our laws or constitutional protections. We don't have a study that says people think they should drop all cultural aspects and become 'Canadian' (whatever that might happen to be). We have a study with a very leading question.

And 'that isn't happening here' YET. Although I have long predicted that if the Liberals have their way and change our style of electing MPs one of the first new parties elected to parliament will be an anti-immigrant party.

As one of the most immigrant heavy countries, you would have expect it to have happened here by now.

Argus · October 3, 2016

No one expects people to keep things that don't agree with our laws or constitutional protections.

What they don't want people to keep are things that don't agree with our cultural values.

As one of the most immigrant heavy countries, you would have expect it to have happened here by now.

Our system makes it almost impossible for candidates not affiliated with one of the major parties to get elected. And people know that. But it wouldn't be hard to garner 5% support for an anti-immigration party. In fact, if you have the right leader and phrase the message right you could probably up that by a considerable margin, perhaps doubling or tripling it. And as it gains more notice, as long as it has a disciplined message which is not avowedly racist (Le Pen disavowed her own father and kicked him out of the party), it could grow further. They'd have to keep the crazies out, of course, and make their case on economic, and not just cultural/social grounds, but there would be a lot of support for such a party.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Argus

Smallc · October 3, 2016

What they don't want people to keep are things that don't agree with our cultural values.

We're back to your nebulous values again.

Our system makes it almost impossible for candidates not affiliated with one of the major parties to get elected. And people know that. But it wouldn't be hard to garner 5% support for an anti-immigration party. In fact, if you have the right leader and phrase the message right you could probably up that by a considerable margin, perhaps doubling or tripling it. And as it gains more notice, as long as it has a disciplined message which is not avowedly racist (Le Pen disavowed her own father and kicked him out of the party), it could grow further. They'd have to keep the crazies out, of course, and make their case on economic, and not just cultural/social grounds, but there would be a lot of support for such a party.

You can get 5% of people to do almost anything.

Argus · October 3, 2016

We're back to your nebulous values again.

Most Canadians seem to have no problem understanding what I mean.

You can get 5% of people to do almost anything.

Dismiss it as you will. I'm sure the French socialists dismissed it too.

Smallc · October 3, 2016

Most Canadians seem to have no problem understanding what I mean.

Convenient claim, since it's impossible to prove or quantify.

Dismiss it as you will. I'm sure the French socialists dismissed it too.

This isn't France.

bush_cheney2004 · October 3, 2016

...The survey questions are vague and leading. Most Canadians would agree that immigrants should learn to speak one of our official languages. By putting language into the question with culture, you lead the result.

Apparently the official language "racism" is part of the problem. Not only is it a divisive issue for Canadians, it is also used to shame immigrants.

cybercoma · October 3, 2016

So their degrees are all kept at the school? Nobody has one hanging in their office?

Apparently you've never had to have a degree verified. Sealed records from an institution are required for verification. Your paper copy is not enough depending on the position. Medical doctors and engineers literally have people's lives on the line. An easily forgeable piece of paper you get at an encaenia is usually not good enough. Especially with foreign credentials where curriculum has to be verified as well.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Michael Hardner
spelling corrected

Smoke · October 3, 2016

Apparently you've never had to have a degree verified. Sealed records from an institution are required for verification. Your paper copy is not enough depending on the position. Medical doctors and engineers literally have people's lives on the line. An easily forgeable piece of paper you get at an encaenia is usually not good enough. Especially with foreign credentials where curriculum has to be verified as well.

Nope....never had to have a degree verified as I have been successful enough to be quite happy....without a degree!!! For the most part, they have to re-qualify under Canadian standards anyway. We once had a Mexican that worked for us, but could not legally stamp a drawing....even tho' he was a qualified Mexican engineer (that didn't lose his degree in a leveled building). That was back in '93....maybe things have changed since then.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Smoke

Smoke · October 3, 2016

We're back to your nebulous values again.

You can get 5% of people to do almost anything.

Thanks for making Argus' point.

?Impact · October 4, 2016

We once had a Mexican that worked for us, but could not legally stamp a drawing

Yes, there are a lot of talented people without the necessary accreditation working in many industries. With engineering, obviously someone will need to oversee what they are doing for a certain level of projects. Hopefully those who do stamp the work have actually seen it and are not rubber stamping, like that mall a few years ago that the roof top parking caved into. For some professions however, the accreditation is mandatory (e.g. medicine).

taxme · October 8, 2016

On ‎10‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 3:37 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Apparently the official language "racism" is part of the problem. Not only is it a divisive issue for Canadians, it is also used to shame immigrants.

I am fed up with hearing the word racism. Every time someone has something to say about immigration or people of colour one instantly is labelled a racist. A great word to be used for trying to shut a conversation or debate down. This is one reason why immigration is never brought up for discussion. No one once to be called a racist, and so the topic is shut down. This needs to stop. Immigration is a topic that needs to be discussed and debated or Canada will not be Canada anymore as we once knew it. New immigrants are already taking advantage of our good will and are being allowed to push their traditions and cultures on host Canadians. Canada needs to remain Canada, and not become and start to look like the rest of the world. Works for me.

Altai · October 8, 2016

UN countries dont have such an option not to accept refugees but big part of refugees are stuck in Turkiye and a few other countries. We should send them to all over the World.

taxme · October 11, 2016

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎08 at 0:07 PM, Altai said:

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎08 at 0:07 PM, Altai said:

UN countries dont have such an option not to accept refugees but big part of refugees are stuck in Turkiye and a few other countries. We should send them to all over the World.

UN countries dont have such an option not to accept refugees but big part of refugees are stuck in Turkiye and a few other countries. We should send them to all over the World.

Nonsense. The United States and Israel do what they want to do, and could careless what the UN says. Canada can do the same. I am Canadian and I refuse to accept any more refugees to come to Canada. I am broke, and I do not want to pay for them anymore. Take that UN.

Altai · October 11, 2016

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Nonsense. The United States and Israel do what they want to do, and could careless what the UN says. Canada can do the same. I am Canadian and I refuse to accept any more refugees to come to Canada. I am broke, and I do not want to pay for them anymore. Take that UN.

According to international agreements, you HAVE TO accept refugees. There are about 4-5 million refugees at least and they should be distributed to all UN countries fairly based on their financial powers. So big part of these refugees should be sent to EU and Northern America. Canada is not a weak country, its a strong British colony and you are able to take tens of thousands of refugees. We dont ask you "would you like to take some more refugees ?", you HAVE TO accept them. This is an agreement between our countries.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Altai

Argus · October 11, 2016

56 minutes ago, Altai said:

According to international agreements, you HAVE TO accept refugees. There are about 4-5 million refugees at least and they should be distributed to all UN countries fairly based on their financial powers. So big part of these refugees should be sent to EU and Northern America. Canada is not a weak country, its a strong British colony and you are able to take tens of thousands of refugees. We dont ask you "would you like to take some more refugees ?", you HAVE TO accept them. This is an agreement between our countries.

That's simply nonsense. Lots of countries never take refugees. China for one. India for another. Russia doesn't take refugees, neither does Japan.

The best place for refugees from a civil war is in the immediate area, so they can return home when it ends. No one is going to accept millions of war refugees from halfway around the world.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Argus

taxme · October 12, 2016

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎11 at 2:13 PM, Altai said:

According to international agreements, you HAVE TO accept refugees. There are about 4-5 million refugees at least and they should be distributed to all UN countries fairly based on their financial powers. So big part of these refugees should be sent to EU and Northern America. Canada is not a weak country, its a strong British colony and you are able to take tens of thousands of refugees. We dont ask you "would you like to take some more refugees ?", you HAVE TO accept them. This is an agreement between our countries.

I don't care what treaty Canada signed with the UN. No one ever asked me, a taxpayer, if I was in favor of bringing in tens of thousands of refugees. If Canadians don't want any refugees to come to Canada then they should no be allowed to come in. This is a case of where dictator politicians keep telling Canadians how things will be done in this country. It is not the Canadians fault for the refugee mess out there. If people cannot afford to have children then stop having them.

Maybe it is time for these countries with the millions of refugees waiting to invade some country should start to have less children. That would be a good start to slow down the numbers of refugees in the world. A common sense and logical approach to the refugee problems around the world. Dumping approx. 50,000 Syrian refugees on Canadians should be considered a crime against the Canadian taxpayer's in Canada whom are being forced to have to blow their tax dollars on refugees who should not be here. It's interesting as to why most of the worlds refugees are being dumped on Caucasian countries like those in Europe and North America. I see a conspiracy going on here. My belief of course.

BC_chick · October 14, 2016

On 10/12/2016 at 4:03 PM, taxme said:

This is a case of where dictator politicians keep telling Canadians how things will be done in this country.

That 'dictator' won a majority government even though the number of refugees was openly part of his platform.

taxme · October 16, 2016

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎14 at 2:08 AM, BC_chick said:

That 'dictator' won a majority government even though the number of refugees was openly part of his platform.

Harper doesn't make up the rules for Canada or Canadians. The globalist elite do that. Harper is just there to carry out the programs and the agendas for the ruling globalist elite. If Canadians think that they control their country and their own destiny then they better start to do a little more reading and researching to find out that this is not the case. Dictators do control Canadian politics.

taxme · December 10, 2016

On 5/19/2016 at 3:24 PM, taxme said:

A Syrian family is about to move from a Surrey hotel where they have been living since they arrived in Canada a month ago(no doubt paid for by the Canadian taxpayer)into a house. The father has been disabled since birth. His arms and legs did not fully develop. He have a 7 year old daughter that is blind. The family will receive $1400. a month from the Federal government(Canadian taxpayer).

One floor up is another family of Syrians The woman is 104 years old. Her son 63. His wife and daughter are full time care givers and look after five of their daughters, two are mentally ill, and are unable to look after themselves. They all need a translator. A services director for Immigrant Services Society of BC said it's important to remember that refugees are selected on vulnerability rather than employable or has skill sets. Just how many more of these refugees are unemployable, and are handicapped where they will obviously become a burden on the taxpayer and our medical and social services, and are allowed to be brought in?

So, this is how refugees are picked? Have a handicap and you are welcome. It is no wonder Canada is broke and has become a sucker nation for the rest of the worlds refugees and poor. Of what benefit are refugees to like those mentioned above good for Canada if they are handicapped and cannot work? They are a drain on the Canadian public purse. If one cannot contribute to Canada then they should not be allowed in. Tough love.

Canadians have to speak up and speak out and say enough already and enough of this foolishness must stop. We have to build some back bone and start using some common sense and logic, and dump this emotionalism and foolishness that is being perpetrated on Canada and Canadians by lawyers,politicians and special-interest groups who tend to make lots of money from this immigration/refugee scam. Canadians cannot continue to be the worlds keepers for all the refugees and poor out there. There are millions.

Source: Some of my information came from the Canadian Immigration Hotline.

So, the liberal government has told us that soon they will be passing off the refugees to the provincial governments who will have to take responsibility for and look after the new Syrian refugees. Well, isn't that just sweet. They bring them in, and then dump them off on the provinces. As if the provinces(taxpayer's)have millions to blow on these refugees. And from the Canadian news report, apparently 67% of those refugees are getting their food from the food banks, and around 18% have found jobs. The rest I assume are still on welfare. It's the same old, same old. Take from the Canadians and give it to the rest of the world. Your tax dollars once again at work, folks. Now get back to work so you can afford to take care of the rest of the world, sucker.

Omni · December 10, 2016

1 hour ago, taxme said:

So, the liberal government has told us that soon they will be passing off the refugees to the provincial governments who will have to take responsibility for and look after the new Syrian refugees. Well, isn't that just sweet. They bring them in, and then dump them off on the provinces. As if the provinces(taxpayer's)have millions to blow on these refugees. And from the Canadian news report, apparently 67% of those refugees are getting their food from the food banks, and around 18% have found jobs. The rest I assume are still on welfare. It's the same old, same old. Take from the Canadians and give it to the rest of the world. Your tax dollars once again at work, folks. Now get back to work so you can afford to take care of the rest of the world, sucker.

Canada is broke? How will we ever pay for those new airplanes?

Argus · December 10, 2016

8 hours ago, Omni said:

Canada is broke? How will we ever pay for those new airplanes?

You seem to be unable to differentiate between necessary expenses, like SAR aircraft, and unneeded, unnecessary charity towards foreigners.

Omni · December 10, 2016

3 hours ago, Argus said:

You seem to be unable to differentiate between necessary expenses, like SAR aircraft, and unneeded, unnecessary charity towards foreigners.

Go take a walk down a street in Aleppo and get back to us on how "unnecessary" helping foreigners is.

Argus · December 10, 2016

48 minutes ago, Omni said:

Go take a walk down a street in Aleppo and get back to us on how "unnecessary" helping foreigners is.

It's sad what those people are doing to each other. It's equally sad what people are doing to each other in so many other parts of the world. If we ever have money left over from helping our own people I'd be more than willing to contribute to some sort of relief fund. You know, today's paper said Ottawa ran out of available Paramedics 22 times in the last two weeks. The billions we're spending on Syrians would be far better spent on health care services for Canadians. Canadians are dying because money they pay in taxes is going to foreigners instead of to health care to help them.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Argus

Omni · December 10, 2016

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

It's sad what those people are doing to each other. It's equally sad what people are doing to each other in so many other parts of the world. If we ever have money left over from helping our own people I'd be more than willing to contribute to some sort of relief fund. You know, today's paper said Ottawa ran out of available Paramedics 22 times in the last two weeks. The billions were spending on Syrians would be far better spent on health care services for Canadians.

Billions? It might add up to one (1) over five years. And "doing to each other"? I don't think it's Syrian aircraft bombing Aleppo.

Argus · December 10, 2016

24 minutes ago, Omni said:

Billions? It might add up to one (1) over five years. And "doing to each other"? I don't think it's Syrian aircraft bombing Aleppo.

Oh please. It costs about $50,000 to process each refugee claim to begin with. We took in 40,000 this year, which is $2 billion. In addition, we have to pay for their food, clothing, shelter, health care and education. And we'll have to do it for twice as many next year since they'll be letting in another 40-50,000. In addition, the cost of caring for the elderly immigrants we let in was estimated at $2 billion per year. Trudeau grandly doubled the numbers coming in, so there's another $4 billion per year.