Rue Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Wanh! Trump refuses to engage in needless wars any longer, and chase Middle Eastern Dominoes, what a dick! Derp. Edited by me...got too personal with Y....Needless wars...no...terrorism containment is not needless. He's not a dick Putin cut it off years ago. Its precisely because he is dickless he has abandon the US people and the world in being the no.1 force against terrorism and turning the US into a state that abandons its closest allies in the war against terrorism. I would noit expect you to dismiss Middle East terrorism as a "needless war". You live in a sheltered world where you take your security for granted and think terrorism goes away if you give it a less threatening name like "needless war". Poof its no longer a problem for you let other people get massacred its not your problem. Good for you.No I challenge you, me, everyone not to see terrorism as a needless thing to battle. Edited October 8, 2019 by Rue Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Again, chicken or egg. It did reveal evidence of Obstruction of Justice but a DOJ opinion says he can't be indicted. So as you say, Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law can't apply when you can't even charge him of a crime. So the solution would be impeachment. The question remains, why not wait until next year to remove him from office via election? I would argue when there's evidence Trump is using the power of his office to target political rivals, which is something dictators do. You need to say enough is enough and add some oversight to such behaviour. There was no evidence of obstruction of justice. There was no justice that was obstructed, and no proof that was his intention to obstruct, just mind reading based on Trump shooting his mouth off, none of which ever came to fruition. The solution is not impeachment, the solution is to find evidence and then impeach, stop putting the cart before the horse. Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rue said: Needless wars...now you are an expert on ISIS and Middle East terrorism and think its useless to do anything about it. Got it. He's not a dick Putin cut it off years ago. Its precisely because he is dickless he has abandon the US people and the world in being the no.1 force against terrorism and turning the US into a state that abandons its closest allies in the war against terrorism. I would expect you to dismiss Middle East terrorism as a "needless war". You live in a sheltered world where you take your security for granted and think terrorism goes away I you call it a needless war. Poof its no longer a problem for you. Good for you. Must be nice to live in such a bubble you don't understand what Kurds face or what the implications are if the US abandons its role in the Middle East counter-balancing terror. If Obama did this, you'd applaud him for getting out of a needless war, but because Trump did it, Orange Man Bad, therefore it's the wrong call. Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: There was no evidence of obstruction of justice. There was no justice that was obstructed, and proof that was his intention to obstruct, just mind reading based on Trump shooting his mouth off. The solution is not impeachment, the solution is to find evidence and then impeach, stop putting the cart before the horse. The inquiry is to find evidence. The first shoe to drop is to start an impeachment inquiry where there's more teeth to the investigation than before where Trump and his associates were just ignoring subpoenas. Articles of impeachment have not been drawn yet. Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: If Obama did this, you'd applaud him for getting out of a needless war, but because Trump did it, Orange Man Bad, therefore it's the wrong call. And Republican would criticize him for abandoning an ally. Like they did to Trump yesterday. This move in Syria shows that no American ally should feel that Trump has their back. 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: The inquiry is to find evidence. The first shoe to drop is to start an impeachment inquiry where there's more teeth to the investigation than before where Trump and his associates were just ignoring subpoenas. Articles of impeachment have not been drawn yet. They've been searching for years, they have nothing, or they would have found it already. Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: They've been searching for years, they have nothing, or they would have found it already. Well this Whistleblower thing just fell in their lap two weeks ago sooooo. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: And Republican would criticize him for abandoning an ally. Like they did to Trump yesterday. This move in Syria shows that no American ally should feel that Trump has their back. Republicans who think chasing Middle Eastern Dominoes are a good idea are the very people you'd be decrying if Obama did it and they criticized it. Because they attack Trump you do a complete 180 though, clown. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: Well this Whistleblower thing just fell in their lap two weeks ago sooooo. That's another nothing burger. A bigger nothing burger than the previous ones I might add. You grasp at shorter and shorter straws every time. Quote
Rue Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: There was no evidence of obstruction of justice. There was no justice that was obstructed, and proof that was his intention to obstruct, just mind reading based on Trump shooting his mouth off. The solution is not impeachment, the solution is to find evidence and then impeach, stop putting the cart before the horse. I agree that proper legal processes must be followed. The very purpose of an impeachment process in the House of Representatives is to provide the equivalency of a Grand Jury process in the US or a preliminary hearing in Canada before a trial. The Senate can not be asked to try Trump unless there is sufficient evidence to go to trial which is what the impeachment process is supposed to ascertain. It would at this point be hard to believe any trial if it got to the Senate would find Trump guilty of anything if it requires a 2/3rd vote since the Senate is majority Republican and Republicans other than Mitt Romney at this point won't speak out and say a damn thing. Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Republicans who think chasing Middle Eastern Dominoes are a good idea are the very people you'd be decrying if Obama did it and they criticized it. Because they attack Trump you do a complete 180 though, clown. You don't know my opinion of Obama's foreign policy. The Kurd's are an example of Muslims that are actually progressive in gender equality and the things we in the West should embrace. 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Rue said: I agree that proper legal processes must be followed. The very purpose of an impeachment process in the House of Representatives is to provide the equivalency of a Grand Jury process in the US or a preliminary hearing in Canada before a trial. The Senate can not be asked to try Trump unless there is sufficient evidence to go to trial which is what the impeachment process is supposed to ascertain. It would at this point be hard to believe any trial if it got to the Senate would find Trump guilty of anything if it requires a 2/3rd vote since the Senate is majority Republican and Republicans other than Mitt Romney at this point won't speak out and say a damn thing. If the Democrats impeach with no evidence, they are hanging themselves, if they impeach with shitty evidence, they are also hanging themselves. Without a smoking gun, this isn't going to be Nixon all over again. Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: That's another nothing burger. A bigger nothing burger than the previous ones I might add. You grasp at shorter and shorter straws every time. Shorter? Trump is losing his shit over this Inquiry. Not exactly acting like an innocent man. Quote
Rue Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Republicans who think chasing Middle Eastern Dominoes are a good idea are the very people you'd be decrying if Obama did it and they criticized it. Because they attack Trump you do a complete 180 though, clown. TEdited by me...got to personal in my response to Y...terrorism is not a game of dominoes.You think ISIS and terrorism is about dominoes? That is it? Do you reallu need to have people blow up in your face? Sounds like it. It sounds like unless something impacts on you personally you won't care.No man. Terrorism is not dominoes. Its about innocent people dying and how we have a moral imperative to stop it. No man you do not want to end up like me or others with what we saw. Don't tell me what I experienced was dominoes. It was an obscenity...it was the consequence of people just like you and me who did NOTHING and trivialized what was going on while it escalated to the point it got to. No man body parts are not domino pieces...they once came from people who lived, breathed and just wanted the same things you have. A kidney, an arm, a piece of flesh is not a domino piece, it was once a part of a sentient being no different than you or me. Sorry but that is why I challenge your comment. Edited October 8, 2019 by Rue Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: You don't know my opinion of Obama's foreign policy. The Kurd's are an example of Muslims that are actually progressive in gender equality and the things we in the West should embrace. That doesn't mean America needs to be meddling in their affairs. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boges said: Shorter? Trump is losing his shit over this Inquiry. Not exactly acting like an innocent man. He did that last time to, and back then, you were sure it was proof he was guilty too. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: If the Democrats impeach with no evidence, they are hanging themselves, if they impeach with shitty evidence, they are also hanging themselves. Without a smoking gun, this isn't going to be Nixon all over again. And that's what the inquiry is for. It's fucking two weeks old. And might I add, your smoking gun is not everyone's smoking gun. Quote
Rue Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: Shorter? Trump is losing his shit over this Inquiry. Not exactly acting like an innocent man. Anyone who has had a child knows how Trump is acting. He acts no differently than a child in their terrible 2's having a tantrum. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rue said: Terrorism is not a game of dominoes. You use the language of a sheltered elitist silver spoon. What would it take for you to get out of your bubble. Do you need to have people blow up in your back yard first? Sounds like it. It sounds like unless something impacts on you personally you couldn't give a flying phack. I got it and disagree Have you never heard of the Domino Theory that lead America to charge into Vietnam because otherwise the entire far east would fall to Communism and Vietnam was simply the first domino to fall that would lead to all the others falling, so they had to stop it from falling? Same thing, now apply that to terrorism and the middle east, same idiotic strategy repackaged, same mistaken assumption fueling that idiotic strategy. Repeating the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results is insanity. Terrorists aren't a monolith anymore than the Communists were, and they spend more time fighting each other, than they do fighting America. No need to go chasing dominoes, the Domino Theory was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: And that's what the inquiry is for. It's fucking two weeks old. And might I add, your smoking gun is not everyone's smoking gun. Your smoking gun is not everyone's smoking gun either, Captain Projection. Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Your smoking gun is not everyone's smoking gun either, Captain Projection. You're right we're just two Canadians debating American Politics. It's a brain exercise. Neither of our opinions really matter at all. BC2004 will remind us about that frequently. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Boges said: You're right we're just two Canadians debating American Politics. It's a brain exercise. Neither of our opinions really matter at all. BC2004 will remind us about that frequently. Indeed, neither of our views are representative of the American electorate. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Seriously people you are siding with Republican warmongers just because they are criticizing Trump for not warmongering? Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look? Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Seriously people you are siding with Republican warmongers just because they are criticizing Trump for not warmongering? Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look? I don't think disagreeing with abandoning the Kurds is exactly Warmongering. It's supporting and protecting the one ally that actually represents western values. If ISIS is deemed an existential threat, then supporting the people that oppose them is worthwhile. Trump seems to always bend to the brutal dictator. He's doing Erdoğan's bidding here. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Boges said: I don't think disagreeing with abandoning the Kurds is exactly Warmongering. It's supporting and protecting the one ally that actually represents western values. If ISIS is deemed an existential threat, then supporting the people that oppose them is worthwhile. Trump seems to always bend to the brutal dictator. He's doing Erdoğan's bidding here. ISIS is not an existential threat. Supporting an enemy of an enemy is how you ended up with the Al Qaeda in the first place, blowback is a bitch. Just stay out of the middle east, there is no reason to be meddling there. Many of these Kurdish groups are straight up Communists, if you can't see how supporting them might backfire one day, you don't know much about America's past history of meddling in the Middle East backfiring on them in spectacular fashion. Rule The Waves, Don't Get Off The Boat. Enough of the Proxy wars that drag America down for no good reason. Edited October 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
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