America under President Trump

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

There can be no other reason to withold aid. Your imagination is next level bad.

What other reason is there? 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Also, how these Trump stories go. He's justified doing what he did because the "Biden's" are corrupt. Even thought there's no evidence they did anything corrupt. 

He ironically said that if a Republican did what Hunter Biden did, they'd get the electric chair. You mean like his children?!?!?!?!

Clinton used Ukraine to get dirt on Trump. Turnabout is fair play.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Clinton used Ukraine to spy on Trump. Turnabout is fair play.

Is Clinton POTUS? 

It's OK to withhold Aide to a country unless the make up a charge against a political opponent. . . because Hillary? 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Boges said:

What other reason is there? 

Any number of reasons. The fact that you can only think of one, means you exactly nothing about US-Ukranian relations.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Is Clinton POTUS? 

Being POTUS or not is irrelevant. It's not illegal either way. Doing opposition research is not illegal, it's protected free speech, whether you are POTUS or not.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Any number of reasons. The fact that you can only think of one, means you exactly nothing about US-Ukranian relations.

Well name a few. And why hasn't Trump used those reasons as instead of just saying it's The "Biden's" are corrupt. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Being POTUS or not is irrelevant. It's not illegal either way. Opposition research is not illegal, it's protected free speech.

So that's what this is. Opposition research.

Imagine if Obama said to Putin. We'll lift all Sanctions if you give us the PeePee tape. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Boges said:

Well name a few. And why hasn't Trump used those reasons as instead of just saying it's The "Biden's" are corrupt. 

Because those reasons don't focus the story on Biden's weaknesses, duh.

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Because those reasons don't focus the story on Biden's weaknesses, duh.

What weakness? There's no actual evidence Hunter Biden did anything wrong. He did business in Ukraine. 

Trump's son's do business abroad all the time. 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Boges said:

So that's what this is. Opposition research. 

Without a provable quid pro quo, there is nothing illegal about it. In order for their to be a quid pro quo, Ukraine would have had to follow his suggestion and ask for something in return, and since they never even did the first part, that pipe dream is dead in the water.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

What weakness? There's no actual evidence Hunter Biden did anything wrong. He did business in Ukraine. 

Trump's son's do business abroad all the time. 

Not for a company that is being investigated they didn't. It's bad optics for Biden, even if his son did nothing wrong, the spin is effective.

Politicians don't care about hypocrisy, especially if it not being a hypocrite gets in the way scoring political points against your opposition, then they gladly indulge in it with much enthusiasm.

Welcome to politics.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

 

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Without a provable quid pro quo, there is nothing illegal about it. In order for their to be a quid pro quo, Ukraine would have had to follow his suggestion and ask for something in return, and since they never even did the first part, that pipe dream is dead in the water.

Illegal and/or Corrupt, that's why we'd have a Congressional investigation. 

What's illegal is refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint. Which is why Trump should be impeached if they don't turn over such complaint. 

Which brings us to the start of this debate. Circle of Life complete. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Illegal and/or Corrupt, that's why we'd have a Congressional investigation. 

What's illegal is refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint. Which is why Trump should be impeached if they don't turn over such complaint. 

Which brings us to the start of this debate. Circle of Life complete. 

The dude isn't a whistleblower, so it's not a whistleblower complaint. The guy didn't even hear the conversation, and the information he received was not related to doing his job.

Obvious fake whistleblower is obvious.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The dude isn't a whistleblower, so it's not a whistleblower complaint. The guy didn't even hear the conversation, and the information he received was not related to doing his job.

So the IG is corrupt then? I thought Trump only appointed the best people. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

So the IG is corrupt then? I thought Trump only appointed the best people. 

The IG is wrong. You are attempting to move the goaloposts, with this best people remark. If the best attack you have on Trump is that he picked the wrong IG, then you don't have a lot on him, very clearly.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

The IG is wrong. You are attempting to move the goaloposts, with this best people remark.

That's a convenient excuse. I suppose we'll have to have an investigation as to why he's wrong. 

 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's a convenient excuse. I suppose we'll have to have an investigation as to why he's wrong. 

 

Go ahead, and that investigation will blow up in your face, just like all your other investigations did. The more witch hunts you start against Trump, based on little to no evidence, the more he wins. With enemies like you, Trump doesn't need friends.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

BTW Trump said he has no problem having the Transcripts released. 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-09-24-2019/index.html

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Go ahead, and that investigation will blow up in your face, just like all your other investigations did. The more witch hunts you start against Trump, based on little to no evidence, the more he wins.

The Mueller investigation has plenty of evidence of crimes. The DOJ opinion of not indicting a sitting president is what kept Trump from being charged with anything.

You think Micheal Cohen wound up in prison doing stuff on his own and not at the direction of Trump? 

Kind of a Catch-22. 

The only remedy is impeachment. The more such obvious corruption piles up, it's hard to not impeach him. 

If not for this, then what? 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

Keep making enemies of swing voters through obvious partisan witch hunts. With enemies like y'all, Trump doesn't need friends, because the Dems are making enemies of swing voters.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

The Mueller investigation has plenty of evidence of a crime. The DOJ opinion of not indicting a sitting president is what kept Trump from being charged with anything.

You think Micheal Cohen wound up in prison doing stuff on his own and not at the direction of Trump. 

Kind of a Catch-22. 

The only remedy is impeachment. The more such obvious corruption piles up, it's hard to not impeach him. 

If not for this, then what? 

Impeach away, that will only make Trump stronger, just like it made Clinton stronger. Those kinds of partisan witch hunts backfire, every time. Americans do not want to impeach Trump, go ahead, piss them off, I'm sure that will hurt Trump, lulz.

Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Impeach away, that will only make Trump stronger, just like it made Clinton stronger. Those kinds of partisan witch hunts backfire, every time. Americans do not want to impeach Trump, go ahead, piss them off, I'm sure that will hurt Trump, lulz.

Which is why he hasn't been impeached yet. Kind of a vicious circle.

But this is an especially egregious example. 

It'll be funny when a Democrat takes office again and the GOP revert to a normal appreciation of what Corruption is. The hypocrisy will be laughable. 

The guys on Pod Save America made a good point this week. And I'm paraphrasing:

Show me the Democrat/Swing voter that was leaning towards voting for a Democrat, but said that standing up to obvious corruption was just too much for them to handle and they decided to stick with Trump. 

That voter doesn't exist. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

Which is why he hasn't been impeached yet. Kind of a vicious circle.

But this is an especially egregious example. 

It'll be funny when a Democrat takes office again and the GOP revert to a normal appreciation of what Corruption is. The hypocrisy will be laughable. 

Both parties do it. When their POTUS is in office they look the other way on almost everything, when the opposition is in the white house they cry bloody murder about almost everything.

Welcome to politics.

This time the Democrats have gone extra hard on the crying bloody murder about everything due to TDS, and that is Trump's greatest strength, triggering the opposition into counter-productive behavior because they naively believe they are winning due to living in a bubble.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

This time the Democrats have gone extra hard on the crying bloody murder about everything due to TDS, and that is Trump's greatest strength, triggering the opposition into counter-productive behavior because they naively believe they are winning due to living in a bubble.

TDS is just a way of hand-waving Trump's crazy behaviour. 

You can accuse any opposition to a political leader as a Derangement Syndrome. 

ODS was strong. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Boges

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Boges said:

There's no need to campaign in those states because they're so partisan.

Hillary would beg to differ lol. 

She barely lifted a finger in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin based on that exact assumption and she lost all of those states by small margins. That was 46 electoral college votes that she let slip away to the other side.

The final tally was 304 - 227 for Trump.

Take 46 from Trump, add 46 to Hillary and it's suddenly 258 for Trump and 273 for Hillary. 

She likes to blame her loss on a million things, but his energy vs her lethargy was the actual difference in the election. She just didn't do enough. She thought CNN could do it all for her.