bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Topaz said: Of course ALL countries that have the ability spy, do it to each other and at times one country may ask another country to spy on someone within that country because in some countries its illegal to spy on your own. So that being said... does any one really think Britain would say Yeah, we spied on Trump.... no country would admit that. Agreed...no competent intelligence agency is going to openly admit to such things...that's why it is called...SPYING. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I have no problem with that as long as it includes an admission that allies do spy on the U.S. and interfere in its elections. Hell, we caught a Canadian illegal voting in the election ! Prove it first. Oh wait, that's not what you do. So you caught a Canadian trying to vote in your election. Glad you got him but call out the Marines for gods sake. No doubt we have had the odd stray American and others trying to vote illegally voting in our elections. Don't know how you could avoid it. Quote Nonsense...it is how Trump got elected. Yes he did. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Topaz said: Of course ALL countries that have the ability spy, do it to each other and at times one country may ask another country to spy on someone within that country because in some countries its illegal to spy on your own. So that being said... does any one really think Britain would say Yeah, we spied on Trump.... no country would admit that. You don't know any of that but just keep making stuff up you can't prove. 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Prove it first. Oh wait, that's not what you do. So you caught a Canadian trying to vote in your election. Glad you got him but call out the Marines for gods sake. No doubt we have had the odd stray American and others trying to vote illegally voting in our elections. Don't know how you could avoid it. Prove it....isn't that what you posted ? We did catch a Canadian illegal voting in NY....SHE has been doing it for years. Quote Yes he did. So why would he change the strategy now ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Prove it....isn't that what you posted ? We did catch a Canadian illegal voting in NY....SHE has been doing it for years. Poor phrasing on my part. Prove your allies have spied on and interfered in your elections. I don't dispute that you caught a Canadian voting illegally. I will take your word for it without checking. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Wilber said: Poor phrasing on my part. Prove your allies have spied on and interfered in your elections. I don't dispute that you caught a Canadian voting illegally. I will take your word for it without checking. If I could prove it...I would be dead by now. Here is an example of why it's difficult to prove in real time: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111 The Canadian illegal has already been arrested and charged: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/cheektowaga-woman-arrested-charged-voter-fraud Edited March 17, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If I could prove it...I would be dead by now. Here is an example of why it's difficult to prove in real time: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111 The Canadian illegal has already been arrested and charged: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/cheektowaga-woman-arrested-charged-voter-fraud So it is OK to say things you can't prove and present them as facts. You and I are complete opposites, that's for sure. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kimmy Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Topaz said: On the news, it was pointed out when Flynn was outed, it was done by the feds and they didn't have to get an warrant because they were spying on the Russian Ambassador, their down fall was when an American is discover within the spying, they must take the American out because its illegal to spy on American within the country and then someone sent the info to CNN, who announced. Someone will be going to jail. They had plenty of cause to spy on Flynn. It would have been trivially easy for them to get a warrant to spy on him. He was working for Russian companies and lobbying for the Turkish government while he still had top-level security clearance with the Department of Defense. You can be 100% certain that they were spying on Flynn. It's not a scandal that they were spying on him. It would be a scandal if they weren't. The FISA court would have approved this warrant without thinking twice. Flynn could end up in prison or in front of a firing squad. Why was Trump so insistent on having this guy in his administration?? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Topaz said: Kimmy, have u been watching American news channels for the last year? IF u have , u must know its been bias against Trump. As a Canadian, I'm emotionally connected to the results of the election and I feel all channels should share the pros and the cons of the news topic but that not being done. Now s far as the wiretapping or whatever u want to call it.. Trump is waiting for some documents. You can't blame media bias for words that come straight out of Trump's own mouth or straight from his Twitter account. I quoted from Trump's interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News. Fox News is so far up Trump's ass that Sean Hannity can taste what Donald ate for breakfast, and yet Trump went on Tucker's show and said that yes, he knows that Trumpcare is a big tax-cut for the rich and will have a bad impact on the working-class people who voted for him. You can watch the words come straight out of Trump's mouth if you click my link and watch the video. Every analyst who has studied Trumpcare agrees that it is going to cause millions of people to lose their health insurance. That's not just "left wing media", that's also hospitals and health insurance companies and advocacy groups. Trump's plans for big military spending aren't "media bias" either. They're in the new budget. His comments on the subject are a matter of public record. Trump's big supporters here, like Betsy and DogOnPorch will tell you that yes, Trump wants to boost military spending. They're proud of it. Trump's supporters think it's great that he wants to buy more aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons. That's not the media talking, that's Trump's biggest fans talking. If you disagree with anything I've posted, feel free to tell me where you think I'm wrong. I'm happy to discuss anything I've said. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 23 minutes ago, Wilber said: So it is OK to say things you can't prove and present them as facts. You and I are complete opposites, that's for sure. I already provided the facts...a Canadian illegal was arrested and charged for voting in many U.S. elections. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, kimmy said: Why was Trump so insistent on having this guy in his administration?? It's a fair question. I will try to provide the answer for you- In 2012, Flynn got the biggest promotion available to a military intelligence guy: director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Pentagon’s in-house intelligence agency. President Obama personally appointed Flynn to the job, and tasked him with reforming the agency. http://www.vox.com/2016/7/9/12129202/michael-flynn-vice-president-donald-trump Seems this Flynn guy has been advising presidents for a while. Quote
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I already provided the facts...a Canadian illegal was arrested and charged for voting in many U.S. elections. Whatever. I don't know whether any allegations against Trump are true or not and what he does domestically as the President of the US is the business of Americans, but if he wants to be the "leader of the free world" he needs to ditch his obsession with Obama and stop acting like a petulant thin skinned child and start acting the part, or he will be seen as a liability by his allies. If he isn't already. Edited March 18, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wilber said: Whatever. I don't know whether any allegations against Trump are true or not and what he does domestically as the President of the US is the business of Americans, but if he wants to be the "leader of the free world" he needs to ditch his obsession with Obama and stop acting like a petulant thin skinned child, or he will be seen as a liability by his allies. If he isn't already. No he doesn't/isn't...President Trump can do whatever the hell he wants to do short of breaking the law. The world sure as hell isn't going to turn to Justin Trudeau to be the "leader of the free world". Clinton and Obama blamed Bush for their troubles too....big deal. But I do agree with you....the business of Americans is for Americans....not wannabes in the peanut gallery. Canadian illegals shouldn't be voting in U.S. elections...hell...they shouldn't even be in the damn country. Edited March 18, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No he doesn't/isn't...President Trump can do whatever the hell he wants to do short of breaking the law. The world sure as hell isn't going to turn to Justin Trudeau to be the "leader of the free world". Clinton and Obama blamed Bush for their troubles too....big deal. But I do agree with you....the business of Americans is for Americans....not wannabes in the peanut gallery. Canadian illegals shouldn't be voting in U.S. elections...hell...they shouldn't even be in the damn country. Any leader can do what they want short of breaking the law (some can even break it, for awhile) but there are always consequences. Trump isn't special. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Any leader can do what they want short of breaking the law (some can even break it, for awhile) but there are always consequences. Trump isn't special. Precisely my point...why is Trump being held to a different standard ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Why do we have to hold Trump to the same standard when his defenders refuse to concede the most obvious of his many failings? If he wants to go dirty, that is a place the Democrats can excel at. What ever happened to the victor gets the spoils? Where is this morality thing coming from? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Precisely my point...why is Trump being held to a different standard ? They aren't except by Trump supporters. Can and do aren't the same thing. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilber said: They aren't except by Trump supporters. Can and do aren't the same thing. No, same partisan bias existed for previous U.S. presidents. Nothing special 'bout that. Presidents tell lies...so will Trump. It's in the job description. Why would any Trump critics expect otherwise ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 So sad, too bad. He asked for a culture war so he will get it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Wilber Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No, same partisan bias existed for previous U.S. presidents. Nothing special 'bout that. Presidents tell lies...so will Trump. It's in the job description. Why would any Trump critics expect otherwise ? The same partisan bias exists for most leaders, including ours. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
hot enough Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: What ever happened to the victor gets the spoils? Where is this morality thing coming from? That isn't an apt saying, nor is it correct. The test isn't that there are evil Democrats, there are. The test is that Trump maintains a moral standard and the frequent times he hasn't he has and will be called on it. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Nobody has to play fair with him. It's sad, too, because he has said the negative press prevents him from "enjoying" the presidency. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-negative-press-means-he-cant-enjoy-white-house Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: The same partisan bias exists for most leaders, including ours. I didn't even bring lying Trudeau and his Trudette supporters up, but yes...same deal. Trump just does it a lot better, driving the media and their news cycle. Even Canada's CBC bites hard on Trump content. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 If making constant errors and being a laughing stock is 'driving the news cycle' then indeed he's a Mastermind. It doesn't matter, though, as if/when the clock runs out on him and he's turfed we'll hear that it's no biggie because James Buchanan, or Kim Campbell did something similar. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 Right wingers understand the problem Trump is having with certain parts of the media, the parts who can't understand what is meant unless explained to them in the absolute simplest way, who seek to make an issue out of every quotation, comma, question mark. The leftist media seeks to make America under president Trump obsessed with these minutia, by inflating everything to the point of national emergency. Many people though are smarter than this. Eventually fatigue sets in, people know they're being conned by media like CNN. What's amusing is that under president Obama, the GOP was accused of being non-cooperative and biased, to the point the president could not get any work done. Now the Democrats are guilty of the same thing. Quote
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