useful link - mass shootings

[Guest]

Ah, so now Hispanic lives don't matter either.

That's useful to know.

Not to Statistics Canada or the US Centre for Disease control, obviously. What bastards!

[Shady]

Ah, so now Hispanic lives don't matter either.

That's useful to know.

Nice try. It just makes the population comparisons more apt.

[eyeball]

Not to Statistics Canada or the US Centre for Disease control, obviously. What bastards!

So you figure it was actually these institution's that data-baked this pretty little graphic together?

Political Calculations.

... it's one of those web sites where you'll lose yourself for about 3 hours because of all the cool and different things you can calculate based on some models he's programmed...

Welcome to the blogosphere's toolchest! Here, unlike other blogs dedicated to analyzing current events, we create easy-to-use, simple tools to do the math related to them so you can get in on the action too!

Hey now anyone can be a bastard.

Figures lie and liars figure.

Edited April 29, 2016 by eyeball

[Bob Macadoo]

Nice try. It just makes the population comparisons more apt.

Why?

[bush_cheney2004]

...Hey now anyone can be a bastard.

Yep....but still far more "civilized" to be stabbed or beaten to death than to die in a "mass shooting".

[eyeball]

Where's the empirical data for that?

[bush_cheney2004]

Where's the empirical data for that?

At the Queen of Canada's "Arms and Armour" museum.

[bush_cheney2004]

"Mass shooting" math is even more compelling....a drop in the bucket:

To put things in perspective: Guns kill about 33,000 people a year in the United States. Two-thirds of those deaths are suicides; about 11,000 are homicides.

By the most expansive definition, mass shootings have taken 462 lives this year so far (2015).....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/07/mass-shootings-are-distracting-from-the-real-danger-of-guns-in-america/

[eyeball]

Loved your WP article's headline;

Mass shootings are distracting from the real danger of guns in America

Point being there is a real danger from guns. An awareness that has been recognized if not subject to being glossed over or spotlighted one way or another. The way media reports stuff is certainly a factor in the front and centeredness of mass shootings because they simply bleed more.

[waldo]

Empirical data says it is normal and inevitable, just as stabbings and beatings are in Canada given firearms restrictions.

minus the U.S. Black and Hispanic population... with a graph put together by some blogger! Who could make this shyte up! Clearly, your googlies were firing on all cylinders! Well done.

#Black&HispanicLivesAreSpuriousData

#BloggersBloggingStuff

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[waldo]

I would certainly agree that after confiscation, incidents dropped.

so odd your insistence in using the word 'confiscation'... just cause that follows the drumbeat used by the NRA in it's attacks on the Australian gun control measures! Confiscation presumes upon seizure, appropriation - that's not what occurred in Australia where a fair buy-back program was available to residents who owned guns that were re-classified by the Australian government as prohibited weapons. Interestingly, the funds to pay for the buy-backs were raised by the government through a one-off tax measure... and the most positive results are there for you to fret about in that graph I supplied. And, in keeping with this thread OP on mass-shootings, that's exactly what spurred the Australian Conservative government action - that 1996 mass shooting that killed 35 persons.

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[bush_cheney2004]

...Point being there is a real danger from guns. An awareness that has been recognized if not subject to being glossed over or spotlighted one way or another. The way media reports stuff is certainly a factor in the front and centeredness of mass shootings because they simply bleed more.

Hey...this OP is about "mass shootings"....Canada'a appetite for American entertainment is insatiable...so give them what they want.

[cybercoma]

Mass shooting are entertainment to you? That's one of the most scummy things anyone has ever uttered on these forums.

Hey...this OP is about "mass shootings"....Canada'a appetite for American entertainment is insatiable...so give them what they want.

[waldo]

Mass shooting are entertainment to you? That's one of the most scummy things anyone has ever uttered on these forums.

he is consistent though! Another ploy often used by the guy is to downplay a targeted segment relative to the overall... earlier in this thread calling the mass shooting numbers a, 'drop in the bucket', relative to total firearms related deaths. Then there's always his standby move (earlier in this thread, as well) where he trots forward with a deflection to stabbing deaths in Canada... emphasizing that, in his view, death by stabbing is much more brutal than death by firearm! Qualified death... clearly Americans are much more humane in their firearms killing!

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[cybercoma]

It's not even worth engaging with such a sick worldview, where someone calls mass murder "entertainment."

[bush_cheney2004]

It's not even worth engaging with such a sick worldview, where someone calls mass murder "entertainment."

Always worth it see the Canadian smug meter get pegged out again....next "mass murder" coming to an American cable news channel soon !

[Hal 9000]

We'll (or americans, I suppose) never know how to deal with gun violence unless the stats can be broken down to gender, race, age, location, gang shooting, domestics etc etc.

Until then, it's nothing but hysteria directed at every gun owner.

[Hal 9000]

Empirical data says it is normal and inevitable, just as stabbings and beatings are in Canada given firearms restrictions.

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Hmmm, I guess white people strangle at about the same rate regardless of country. Edited May 1, 2016 by Charles Anthony
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[cybercoma]

Always worth it see the Canadian smug meter get pegged out again....next "mass murder" coming to an American cable news channel soon !

Common decency isn't smug. But it's good to see you recognize how disgusting your comment was.

[bush_cheney2004]

Common decency isn't smug. But it's good to see you recognize how disgusting your comment was.

I only recognize facts and reality, not repeated sanctimonious smugness. Speaking of OECD facts:

The U.S.’ index of 0.12 per 5,000,000 places it behind Norway (recall the Anders Breivik massacre), Finland, Slovakia, Israel, and Switzerland – at half the ratio.

Another thing one might note: The top 5 countries for mass shootings per capita all have “restrictive” gun policies.

According to the OECD’s latest version of the Rampage Shooting Index, a pair of deadly shootings in Switzerland in early 2013 pushed the U.S. out of the top five OECD nations for the most per capita fatalities, but the U.S. continues to have the most rampage shooting deaths (one reason could be its size – The U.S. population accounts for 25 percent of the OECD total). However, the U.S. saw a drop in mass shooting deaths from 93 in 2012 to 68 in 2013.

https://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/348197-paris-attack-claim-mass-shootings/

[cybercoma]

Just more entertainment for you? Maybe you can post more ammosexual porn to get your rocks off. Oh Nevermind, they banned embedding images.

Edited May 1, 2016 by cybercoma

[bush_cheney2004]

More mass shootings death rates per capita.....so uncivilized !!!

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

[Guest]

More mass shootings death rates per capita.....so uncivilized !!!

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http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

There's that mediterranean diet again...

Edited May 1, 2016 by Charles Anthony
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[waldo]

There's that mediterranean diet again...

uhhh... my eyeballin' says there's only 3 Mediterranean countries in that list of 18 countries

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[waldo]

More mass shootings death rates per capita.....so uncivilized !!!

now why would your linked prolific pro-gunner analyst choose a straight population per capita... instead of one aligned to the actual (estimated) number of guns within a country? I've taken the liberty of dropping in a lil' representative tally to that end for the same 18 countries (per the Swiss based Small Arms Survey... guns per 100 residents). So, again... USA!, USA!, USA!

(notwithstanding that somewhat dodgy approach that includes outlier data skews where countries like Norway, Switzerland, Finland... have but 1 or 2 mass shootings in total as compared to the U.S.' 133 over the same period).

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