DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) And I will preempt it all with Mufti for you. The Grand Mufti al-Husseini was the founder of the Palestinian Cause who wanted to get his own country that... a] was free of Jews being a HUGE antisemite. b] was free of Hashemites whom al-Husseini called 'carpetbaggers' after the US Civil War pariahs. c] was in control of Jerusalem (al-Aqsa)...he paid for all that gold on the Dome...saw himself related to Muhammad. Doing Big Mo's sacred work... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini Yasser Ararfat was his nephew. Edited May 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 The Arabs started each of the Arab-Israeli Wars. Do you feel Israel is now larger than ever and still growing? Yes Israel will get bigger. Unless there is a reversal on the settlements, that is an eventuality.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 The Grand Mufti al-Husseini was the founder of the Palestinian Caus Bullshit. The Palestinians found common cause against having a bunch of ungrateful refugees dumped on them. Europeans who refused to assimilate and insisted on imposing their values on their hosts instead. That's something you and your ilk relate to on a daily basis when whining about it happening here. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Yes Israel will get bigger. Unless there is a reversal on the settlements, that is an eventuality. Maybe in the short term. For a people with such a long view of history they seem oblivious to the long reach of time ahead of them. Failing some fiction like scientific breakthroughs that turn things around 180 degrees our world is clearly heading towards an ecological and economic collapse and interregnum that will last several generations at least. Israel's technological edge will not last at which point they'll be left with nothing to defend themselves with but the same things being used against them. Israel's situation is as inherently precarious as it is unsustainable. Edited May 21, 2016 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Yes Israel will get bigger. Unless there is a reversal on the settlements, that is an eventuality. This is why you are not to be taken seriously, GH. Is Israel still controlling the Sinai? What happened? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Bullshit. The Palestinians found common cause against having a bunch of ungrateful refugees dumped on them. Europeans who refused to assimilate and insisted on imposing their values on their hosts instead. That's something you and your ilk relate to on a daily basis when whining about it happening here. Pure fantasy on your part. Jews bought their land. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Stolen land. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Stolen land. Just doesn't have the same "moral" ring coming from a "North American". Edited May 21, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 That's why it's coming from an Earthling. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 My question was very clear. Are your history skills too lacking to answer? If so, what the heck are you doing commenting in the first place? My question - that you are evading and resorting to personal insults - was: "Are you saying that Israel insists that the West Bank and Gaza be included in the Jewish state? Yes or no?" Argus accused me of opposing a Jewish state. He seems to be avoiding addressing this too. I'm simply asking for clarification ... what are the boundaries of that Jewish state? "From the river to the sea"? I'm opposed to that. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 I guess too lacking to respond. No clue, huh? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Stolen land. Nope...the Sultan owned the land. Going broke due to Ottoman Imperialism in the Crimea is what made him want that Jew-real estate money. The Zionists were willing to pay his cutthroat prices. Arabs were allowed to buy land...few did (the Mufti being an exception) as it meant paying taxes and serving in the Ottoman Army. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) I guess too lacking to respond. No clue, huh? I guess you don't want to admit that Israel intends that its Jewish state will extend 'from the river to the sea' ... without the Arabs in it. Resorting to personal attacks to evade the truth, huh? . Edited May 21, 2016 by jacee
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) I guess you don't want to admit that Israel intends that its Jewish state will extend 'from the river to the sea' ... without the Arabs in it. Resorting to personal attacks to evade the truth, huh? . It's not a personal attack. Your history is lacking. You don't know what happened in 1948, 1967...or 1973. Simple as that. You rationalize your ignorance on the subject by making up stuff about Jewish aggression, etc...when in reality, the Arabs started all this. You could look this up yourself and learn what really happened...but that takes effort...and you already have the answers. Edited May 21, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 That's why it's coming from an Earthling. Zionists are "Earthlings" too....just a different address in a tougher neighbourhood. Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 It's not a personal attack. Your history is lacking. You don't know what happened in 1948, 1967...or 1973. Simple as that. You rationalize your ignorance on the subject by making up stuff about Jewish aggression, etc...when in reality, the Arabs started all this. You could look this up yourself and learn what really happened...but that takes effort...and you already have the answers. " Israel intends that its Jewish state will extend 'from the river to the sea' ... without the Arabs in it." Is that your answer? How can any rational person say whether or not they support the Jewish state, when we're not told whether Israel intends to dispose of the Arabs occupying the West Bank and Gaza? It's absolute nonsense that we are insulted here, called anti-semites ... for asking 'what are we being asked to support?' Are we being asked to support a genocidal campaign against Palestinians in the pursuit of the Jewish state? Because that's the only way there can be a Jewish state 'from the river to the sea'. Simple question. And failure to answer makes the answer very clear. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Some folks ARE antisemitic. It used to be far less fashionable but with all the BDS and talk of 'Zionists', its easier to disguise and one has plenty of company. That being said...the Arabs still attacked first and chose to follow a Nazi on the run for his activities during the Holocaust. The British & French, unwilling to upset the entire Muslim world by arresting al-Husseini post WW2 (just to make Tito happy), allowed him to operate with impunity against the Jews. The British even assisted the Mufti by putting Jews into concentration camps in Cyprus. The Brits were running out the clock before the UN took over the issue...and it showed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_internment_camps As for 'From the River to the Sea': that's your battle cry...not Israel's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vclfnckG3t4 Edited May 21, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 I think what marcus is saying here is that Zionists appear to be the problem. He is not saying anything about the ordinary jew who is caught up just as much in this zionist nest of lies and corruption of America and against the American people, and which includes the rest of the world. There are many jews out there who are anti-zionist. Are they being anti-jew? What is it with people who always seem to think and believe that anytime someone brings up Israel or zionism,and questions their existance they must be anti-jew? Can you explain this to me? Sorry, but aren't you the guy who calls the likes of Paul Fromm, Doug Collins and Doug Christie "Patriots"? Maybe I think people complaining about Zionism are anti-Semites for a reason, eh? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Well done. Good post. It is long overdue for zionism to be questioned and challenged and debated in America and around the world. Zionism means the establishment of and support for a Jewish state. Why do you believe this notion needs to be challenged and questioned 70 years after the establishment of such a state? Do you have a solution... a final solution, perhaps, as to what to do with these inconvenient Jews? The zionists have a lot to answer for for their nasty involvement in world affairs for decades. You mean Jews, don't you. The zionists have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. You mean Jews, right. You should man up and just say Jews. Edited May 21, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 No, he is not my guy, ok. I just find him quite interesting to listen too. One must admit that the guy appears to know what he is talking about. No, one must not, actually. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 No, one must not, actually. Brother Nathanial is the sort of fellow that you're pretty sure uses tin-foil to prevent those Zeta Waves from corrupting his precious bodily fluids. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Some folks ARE antisemitic. It used to be far less fashionable but with all the BDS and talk of 'Zionists', its easier to disguise and one has plenty of company.Yes I know that some people - David Duke fans - are generally and virulently antisemitic. However, trying to silence all criticism of Israel with accusations doesn't allow the conversations - eg the question of Israel's borders. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Yes I know that some people - David Duke fans - are generally and virulently antisemitic. However, trying to silence all criticism of Israel with accusations doesn't allow the conversations - eg the question of Israel's borders. . As mentioned, you do not have a CLUE how the borders got the way they have...so you're not one to be listened to re: their origin or future. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 As mentioned, you do not have a CLUE how the borders got the way they have...so you're not one to be listened to re: their origin or future. It's the constant expansion via settlements and pressure on Gaza that is disturbing and makes it impossible for me to say 'I support a Jewish state' when I don't know the limits of that state. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) It's the constant expansion via settlements and pressure on Gaza that is disturbing and makes it impossible for me to say 'I support a Jewish state' when I don't know the limits of that state. . Really? What is the problem with Jews living in the future state of Palestine? Edited May 22, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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