eyeball Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 I don't see anything wrong with your statement but some consider even what you say here as "anti semitism" which is absurd... The fact you can't see what's wrong with GH's statement probably means you're anti-semitic too. Sorry...I don't make the rules around here. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kactus Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) The fact you can't see what's wrong with GH's statement probably means you're anti-semitic too. Sorry...I don't make the rules around here. Why is it anti semitic to agree with GH's statement that not all jews are zionists? Edited May 15, 2016 by kactus
eyeball Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 I haven't got a clue myself, you'd have to go ask the people who make up the rules around this stuff. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 Why is it anti semitic to agree with GH's statement that not all jews are zionists? Eyeball was being a bit sarcastic in his statement.
DogOnPorch Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 Of course, you all do realize this whole Jews control the banks, media, government is straight out of the phony 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'....an antisemitic book released via the Tsar's secret police to promote hatred of Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion Still promoted to this day... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Not all Zionist are Jews. And not all Jews are Zionists. Otherwise we are simply throwing out blanket statements that makes one look like an idiot. What do you call a Zionist? Technically anyone who believes in a Jewish state is a Zionist. Virtually all Jews believe in a Jewish state. The only real exceptions are fanatics. Needless to say, all Jew haters hate the Jewish state. Edited May 15, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 What do you call a Zionist? Technically anyone who believes in a Jewish state is a Zionist. Virtually all Jews believe in a Jewish state. The only real exceptions are fanatics. Needless to say, all Jew haters hate the Jewish state. One can be a Zionist without being Jewish. Zionism is a political and religious movement to re-establish Israel. Interesting tit for tat from thousands of years ago when Jews were driven out by driving others out, which is creating more conflict and the cycle begins again. But come on Argus I am sure you and others can make even more blanket statements.
marcus Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) What do you call a Zionist? Technically anyone who believes in a Jewish state is a Zionist. Virtually all Jews believe in a Jewish state. The only real exceptions are fanatics. Needless to say, all Jew haters hate the Jewish state. I will tell you why you are wrong. Personally, it is not about a Jewish State existing. It is about how this Jewish Nation was established and continues to expand its borders. If an ideology advocates for the rights of hundreds of thousands of people to be taken away in favour of another group, then I am against that ideology. No ideology should trump anyone's rights. Whether it's Zionism, Wahabism or any other ideology. Edited May 15, 2016 by marcus "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
kactus Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 I haven't got a clue myself, you'd have to go ask the people who make up the rules around this stuff. Indeed
Big Guy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Posted May 15, 2016 So Zionist Netanyahu has put another nation into his Anti-semitic column; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/netanyahu-slams-france-vote-al-aqsa-mosque-160515133818611.html So France is the latest nation "picking on" Israel just because Israel continues to absorb Palestinian lands, practice apartheid and continues towards the final solution. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 One can be a Zionist without being Jewish. Zionism is a political and religious movement to re-establish Israel. Interesting tit for tat from thousands of years ago when Jews were driven out by driving others out, which is creating more conflict and the cycle begins again. But come on Argus I am sure you and others can make even more blanket statements. You just basically confirmed what I said. If you are against Zionism, then you're against there being a Jewish state. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 Yet another Jews are horrible people thread, as if we didn't already have enough of them. I think what marcus is saying here is that Zionists appear to be the problem. He is not saying anything about the ordinary jew who is caught up just as much in this zionist nest of lies and corruption of America and against the American people, and which includes the rest of the world. There are many jews out there who are anti-zionist. Are they being anti-jew? What is it with people who always seem to think and believe that anytime someone brings up Israel or zionism,and questions their existance they must be anti-jew? Can you explain this to me?
taxme Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 It's no secret that Western politics, especially when it comes to foreign policy, is heavily influenced by Zionist bankrollers. Throughout this thread, I will add more information on the Zionist lobby's grip over Canadian and European politics as well. This control is certainly true when it comes to the U.S. There are countless Israeli/Zionist lobby groups and agenda driven, so-called think tanks, backed by billionaires (Like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban) who are using their billions to control who gets to be a politician and what kind of ideas are acceptable to be discussed when it comes to foreign policy. (Update, Van Hollen has won 53% of the votes) At the moment, there is an interesting senate race happening in Maryland. LINK TO PHOTO This is the brave face of the real American people shaking the foundation of the rich and powerful Zionist hold on the US politics -- Congresswoman Donna Edwards is running for the US Senate in Maryland and she has dared to defy the power of the Israeli Fifth Column inside the US --AIPAC and its supporters --over her conscience and politics --as a result Haim Saban --the rich Zionist bosom buddy of Hillary Clinton who joined force with George and his wife Amal Clooney to raise even more millions for her --has just allotted 100,000 dollars for a last minute blitz to defeat Ms Edwards in her race against a garden variety white man and of course devout pro-Israel candidate Chris Van Hollen -- The phenomenon now gathering around Bernie Sanders is much deeper and much wider and it has reached a critical mass that can no longer be purchased, silenced, intimidated, or corrupted by rich Zionists like Haim Saban or certified idiots like George Clooney --this grassroots foundation of a far more progressive politics informs the BDS movement and there is very little that Hillary Clinton, Haim Saban, or the New York Times can do to change that demographic fact in order to sustain in power the racist apartheid settler colony of Israel and enable it to continue to steal the rest of Palestine, murder more Palestinians, and systematically destabilize the Arab and Muslim world -- To learn how the Israeli lobby and Haim Saban in particular are ganging up against Congresswoman Edwards go here: mondoweiss.net/2016/04/donna-edwardss-campaign-unsettles-the-israel-lobby-inside-the-democratic-party/ To learn more specifically about Haim Saban's determination to defeat Congresswoman Edwards go here: https://theintercept.com/2016/04/25/pro-israel-billionaire-haim-saban-drops-100000-against-donna-edwards-in-maryland-senate-race/ To learn more about Congresswoman Edwards' own extraordinary story go here: http://www.thenation.com/article/weve-had-1-black-woman-senator-in-227-years-donna-edwards-is-running-to-change-that/ Well done. Good post. It is long overdue for zionism to be questioned and challenged and debated in America and around the world. The zionists have a lot to answer for for their nasty involvement in world affairs for decades. And although the American people have been giving zionist Israel billions of their tax dollars every year, they still hate America. They seem to hate everybody, and will only like(use)people whom they can manipulate to speak for them. But let them say something anti-Israel, and poof, they are history. The zionists have no loyalty to anyone but themselves.
taxme Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 Well, if "Zionists" are the bad Jews...who are the good Jews? So many questions... Norman Finklestein is one.Brother Nathaniel(ex jew)is another. Even though one may not like David Duke, he is a good source of information, and one to listen to on the power and influence on the world by the zionists. It never hurts to try and get the other side of the story. Like the old saying goes "to know one side of the story, is to know nothing at all". So true today. The people are only getting one side of the story.
DogOnPorch Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Brother Nathanial...well, he's hardly wingnut crazy at all. Your guy, eh? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 David Duke...lol. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Listening to you two reminds me of that poli-sci mandala of two opposites travelling away from each until they've met around the other side. Edited May 19, 2016 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) I think what marcus is saying here is that Zionists appear to be the problem. He is not saying anything about the ordinary jew who is caught up just as much in this zionist nest of lies and corruption of America and against the American people, and which includes the rest of the world. There are many jews out there who are anti-zionist. Are they being anti-jew? What is it with people who always seem to think and believe that anytime someone brings up Israel or zionism,and questions their existance they must be anti-jew? Can you explain this to me? Let me make this clear. You invented the words ordinary Jew. For me those words are testament and evidence of anti semitic stereotyping, insulting and baiting of all Jews. You stereotype me and all Jews into two categories. One are bad Jews, i.e., anyone who disagrees with you, the other good Jews, those you think agree with you. Your need to stereotype we Jews and define us in good and bad categories and use fake made up labels such as "ordinary Jew " spouting off in presumptuous, patronizing terms how we feel and think is testament to the fact that you come on this thread to negatively stereotype Jews with ridiculous names and labels that are necessarily hateful and call upon people to hate Jews you deem bad. You hate Jews and use the pretext of saying they disagree with you, to justify hating them-no more no less and that makes you a blatant. anti semitic hate monger in my opinion. I repeat again, you are nothing but an anti semitic bigot using Zionism as your pretext to express your hatred of Jews and its past transparent. You are in no position to tell me or any Jew which one of us is good or bad. You are not Josef Mengele choosing which Jews live and which ones die which is what in fact you do with this miserable division of Jews into good and bad categories. You are engaging in precisely the hateful anti Semitism that enabled 6 million Jews to be killed. You write using terms that write off millions of Jews as bad, why because you don't agree with them... Where do you get off judging me as a bad Jew because I don't agree with you....where do you get off appointing yourself arbitrator of Jews let alone presuming to tell me or any Jew what an ordinary Jew is. You know nothing about me or any Jews. You reek of bigoted stereotypes and assumptions of Jews that y ou use to justify expressing hated for certain Jews. You words necessarily both justify and incite hated of Jews. You presume to talk down and insult me and all Jews telling us who you find to your liking and your anti semitic patronizing hateful diatribe I challenge directly for what it is. Edited May 19, 2016 by Rue
taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Let me make this clear. You invented the words ordinary Jew. For me those words are testament and evidence of anti semitic stereotyping, insulting and baiting of all Jews. You stereotype me and all Jews into two categories. One are bad Jews, i.e., anyone who disagrees with you, the other good Jews, those you think agree with you. Your need to stereotype we Jews and define us in good and bad categories and use fake made up labels such as "ordinary Jew " spouting off in presumptuous, patronizing terms how we feel and think is testament to the fact that you come on this thread to negatively stereotype Jews with ridiculous names and labels that are necessarily hateful and call upon people to hate Jews you deem bad. You hate Jews and use the pretext of saying they disagree with you, to justify hating them-no more no less and that makes you a blatant. anti semitic hate monger in my opinion. I repeat again, you are nothing but an anti semitic bigot using Zionism as your pretext to express your hatred of Jews and its past transparent. You are in no position to tell me or any Jew which one of us is good or bad. You are not Josef Mengele choosing which Jews live and which ones die which is what in fact you do with this miserable division of Jews into good and bad categories. You are engaging in precisely the hateful anti Semitism that enabled 6 million Jews to be killed. You write using terms that write off millions of Jews as bad, why because you don't agree with them... Where do you get off judging me as a bad Jew because I don't agree with you....where do you get off appointing yourself arbitrator of Jews let alone presuming to tell me or any Jew what an ordinary Jew is. You know nothing about me or any Jews. You reek of bigoted stereotypes and assumptions of Jews that y ou use to justify expressing hated for certain Jews. You words necessarily both justify and incite hated of Jews. You presume to talk down and insult me and all Jews telling us who you find to your liking and your anti semitic patronizing hateful diatribe I challenge directly for what it is. First of all, the word ordinary was not invented by me. The word is used in many instances, and does not have to be considered nasty sounding. To me you have just proven to me that you are intolerant of others opinions and points of view, and that anything that has to do with Judaism or Israel must never be questioned or challenged. Today it would appear as though they have become taboo and sacred cow subjects that must never be allowed to be discussed or debated. How dare you accuse me of being anti-semitic because I dare to question or challenge anything that may have to do with Israel or Judaism. I find you to be someone who is very intolerant of others view points and opinions that you do not agree with. And what makes you think that you are an expert, and oh so knowledgeable and know all that there is to know about Judaism anyway? I am a non-Jew and I certainly don't try to make it appear as though I know all about the attitudes and behaviours of non-Jews. I am even willing to admit that non-Jews are not all perfect. Can you say the same thing about Jews also? And I can also accept opinions and points of views of others who do attack non-Jews. We call it freedom of speech. I am afraid that you are going to have to accept the fact that others will and should be allowed to express their opinion and points of view about anything or anyone without being accused of being, in this case, anti-semitic. Over to you. Edited May 19, 2016 by taxme
DogOnPorch Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 I suppose if one wants to see Israel eliminated and its population evicted or worse in favor of the very antisemitic Palestinian Cause...then yes....one might just be a goose-steppin' you know what. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Brother Nathanial...well, he's hardly wingnut crazy at all. Your guy, eh? No, he is not my guy, ok. I just find him quite interesting to listen too. One must admit that the guy appears to know what he is talking about. Can you find anything that he says that you disagree with or may be fiction? Go ahead.
taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 I suppose if one wants to see Israel eliminated and its population evicted or worse in favor of the very antisemitic Palestinian Cause...then yes....one might just be a goose-steppin' you know what. The question I would like you to reply too is does anyone have the right to question or challenge anything that has to do with Israel or Judaism without having to put up with being labelled antisemitic? Short, sweet and simple.
taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 David Duke...lol. Hey, the man appears to know what he is talking about. Don't you like that in a person? A person who says it as he sees it?
taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Of course, you all do realize this whole Jews control the banks, media, government is straight out of the phony 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'....an antisemitic book released via the Tsar's secret police to promote hatred of Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion Still promoted to this day... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm All Chairman/woman of the Federal Reserve have been pretty much Jewish? Can you explain this to me as to why this is so? Jews pretty much own all the big media outfits in America. Can you explain this also? Edited May 19, 2016 by taxme
DogOnPorch Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 All Chairman/woman of the Federal Reserve have been pretty much Jewish? Can you explain this to me as to why this is so? Jews pretty much own all the big media outfits in America. Can you explain this also? Yeah...you're one of those David Duke fans. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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