WestCanMan Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Trudeau apologizes for something that our ancestors did 102 years ago. The apologies for lying to all the 18-25 yr old job seekers, the cut-from-the-budget tax cuts etc ( https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/), the deficit fiasco, and to the people who will still be paying for it 102 years from now will have to wait. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/komagata-maru-justin-trudeau-to-apologize-for-1914-incident-1.3530362 Kim-Jong-Un would be proud of the theatrics. Edited April 12, 2016 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Trudeau apologizes for something that our ancestors did 102 years ago. About time to and it's actually Canada that's apologizing. Trudeau is just the messenger and as Harper proved a messenger boy just won't do. Harper apologizes in B.C. for 1914 Komagata Maru incident But as soon as he left the stage members of the Sikh community rushed to the podium denouncing the apology and said they wanted it made on the floor of the House of Commons. "The apology was unacceptable," said Jaswinder Singh Toor, president of The Descendants of Komagatamaru Society. It's clear that an apology given by a PM from the floor of the House of Commons is an apology from all of Canada. In the apology given to Canada's indigenous people for residential school abuse for example Stephen Harper said; To the approximately 80,000 living former students, and all family members and communities, the Government of Canada now recognizes that it was wrong to forcibly remove children from their homes and we apologize for having done this. We now recognize that it was wrong to separate children from rich and vibrant cultures and traditions that it created a void in many lives and communities, and we apologize for having done this. We now recognize that, in separating children from their families, we undermined the ability of many to adequately parent their own children and sowed the seeds for generations to follow, and we apologize for having done this. We now recognize that, far too often, these institutions gave rise to abuse or neglect and were inadequately controlled, and we apologize for failing to protect you. Not only did you suffer these abuses as children, but as you became parents, you were powerless to protect your own children from suffering the same experience, and for this we are sorry Statement of apology to former students of Indian Residential Schools You'll note that Harper clearly didn't say I apologize and you'll note the same thing when Trudeau speaks for Canada and we all apologize for the Komagata Maru incident. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
waldo Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Kim-Jong-Un would be proud of the theatrics. yes, your OP theatrics are definitely, as you say, Kim Jong-un approved! You went an awfully long (failed) way for some kind of linkage... although it's not really clear whether you're for or against Canada formally offering a HOC situated apology for the Komagata Maru events. . Quote
Big Guy Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 An apology is far cheaper than reparations. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 An apology is far cheaper than reparations. An apology usually precedes reparations, as it's an admission of wrongdoing. Quote
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) An apology usually precedes reparations, as it's an admission of wrongdoing. No problem with an apology but reparations for who? All these people have been dead for decades. Most of their kids are probably dead as well. Edited April 12, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 No problem with an apology but reparations for who? Maybe no one this time. I was just pointing out that it's not an either or situation. Quote
dre Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 No problem with an apology but reparations for who? All these people have been dead for decades. Most of their kids are probably dead as well. That doesn't necessarily matter from a financial/legal perspective. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Maybe no one this time. I was just pointing out that it's not an either or situation. I agree but unfortunately one seems to follow the other. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 That doesn't necessarily matter from a financial/legal perspective. It should. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Why do we need to apologize for not taking in foreigners we didn't want to take in? Do we not have the right to decide who is to come and live here, and when and how and why? Edited April 12, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Aside from human beings they were also British subjects and about as foreign as anyone else who'd come here hoping for a better life. Why did we need to take Argus' ancestors in? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Aside from human beings they were also British subjects.... Oh...well bust my buttons....why didn't they say so in the first place...that's a horse of a different colour...come on in !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Oh...well bust my buttons....why didn't they say so in the first place...that's a horse of a different colour...come on in !! Back then it was, British subjects were supposed to be able to travel anywhere in the Commonwealth and Empire unrestricted. Britain didn't put restrictions on immigrants from Commonwealth countries until 1962. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 It should. Is there an official Canadian or Commonwealth statute of limitations on the righting of wrongs? According to much of the conventional wisdom on display around here we're still holding Islam responsible for what it did to us 1500 years ago. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Back then it was, British subjects were supposed to be able to travel anywhere in the Commonwealth and Empire unrestricted. Britain didn't put restrictions on immigrants from Commonwealth countries until 1962. Roger that...that's what makes it so laughable today. "Excuse me my good man...perhaps you don't understand...I am a British subject". British subject....Empire....Queen....and now an apology for not following rules of the racist, imperialist Commonwealth. Can't make this stuff up. Edited April 12, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Roger that...that's what makes it so laughable today. "Excuse me my good man...perhaps you don't understand...I am a British subject". British subject....Empire....Queen....and now an apology for not following rules of the racist, imperialist Commonwealth. Can't make this stuff up. The rule of the day was everyone in the Empire and Commonwealth was a British Subject who had special status inside the Commonwealth regardless of race. That didn't change for Britain until they had to start putting limits on immigration. The first couple of times I went to the UK there were two lines in the immigration hall. Commonwealth passports and others. There are still two but now they are EU passports and others. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 The rule of the day was everyone in the Empire and Commonwealth was a British Subject who had special status inside the Commonwealth regardless of race. That didn't change for Britain until they had to start putting limits on immigration. The first couple of times I went to the UK there were two lines in the immigration hall. Commonwealth passports and others. There are still two but now they are EU passports and others. Yes...that is certainly the history of the matter. Fast forward to today and it purely political theatre that the present Canadian government would apologize for a departure from that racist/imperialist immigration system. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Yes...that is certainly the history of the matter. Fast forward to today and it purely political theatre that the present Canadian government would apologize for a departure from that racist/imperialist immigration system. Why not, it was a Canadian government that refused them entry, not Westminster. The racist policy behind this event was a Canadian policy, not British. Edited April 12, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Why not, it was a Canadian government that refused them entry, not Westminster. Because the foundation and scope of the entire imperialist empire was racist and corrupted to begin with. The British Empire was dismantled long ago, for lots of reasons. Not getting admitted into another member of that "club" is adorably naive today, as is this apology, which is surely political pandering by The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Yes by all means let's flash forward to now. Economic apartheid is every bit as grotesque and inhumane as racial apartheid given the globalised borderless world in which money and corporations move virtually unhindered. Humans are still people too don't forget. Edited April 12, 2016 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Wilber Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Because the foundation and scope of the entire imperialist empire was racist and corrupted to begin with. The British Empire was dismantled long ago, for lots of reasons. Not getting admitted into another member of that "club" is adorably naive today, as is this apology, which is surely political pandering by The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau.The apology is for a policy and action that was racist and discriminatory even back then. Those people would have been admitted into to Britain without a problem. Certainly there was racism in the British Empire but I find it ironic that an American is preaching on racism when that empire was actually much less racist that the USA at that time. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire 32 years before the US and it didn't take a war to do it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 The apology is for a policy and action that was racist and discriminatory even back then. Those people would have been admitted into to Britain without a problem. Certainly there was racism in the British Empire but I find it ironic that an American is preaching on racism when that empire was actually much less racist that the USA at that time. Loyalist thinking...the very notion of "Empire" is prima facie racist on the global scale that it was. Apologizing for not following imperialist rules is laughable then...and even more so today. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire 32 years before the US and it didn't take a war to do it. So when will Canada apologize to those people not admitted as slaves before slavery was abolished ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Have the British ever apologized for sending the Exodus 1947 back? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
overthere Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Is there an official Canadian or Commonwealth statute of limitations on the righting of wrongs? According to much of the conventional wisdom on display around here we're still holding Islam responsible for what it did to us 1500 years ago. That is a particularly awkward analogy since neither Islam or 'us' existed 1500 years ago. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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