BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 unlike you...I actually get to vote. Now, seeing how anyone on the planet with a half a working brain cell doesn't dispute this, you are being deliberately inflammatory (aka trolling). Your comment is irrelevant to the topic and in violation of the forum. Who knows though, maybe once again it'll be my comment which points out your trolling that gets deleted. We all know how 'lefty' the mod team is..... <Rolls eyes.> Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Interesting. I think both Trump and Clinton look much younger than Sanders even though they're all close in age. I think that's why nobody mentions the age of the former, yet the latter is constantly being questioned for his age. In fairness to Sanders, Trump and Clinton also have lots of money, which clearly can make someone appear more "youthful".........with that, watch Trump/Clinton during live speaking events, at times, they both appear to be reaching for their next words and sometimes "scattered"....contrasted with Sanders, that appears very natural and comfortable, and rarely seems lost for words.......it could be an indication of their "age" or Sanders decades long experience as an elected official......... If Sanders discloses personal health information, and has a clear bill of health, I see no reason why being a few years older than some of the other candidates should mater. Quote
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 In fairness to Sanders, Trump and Clinton also have lots of money, which clearly can make someone appear more "youthful".........with that, watch Trump/Clinton during live speaking events, at times, they both appear to be reaching for their next words and sometimes "scattered"....contrasted with Sanders, that appears very natural and comfortable, and rarely seems lost for words.......it could be an indication of their "age" or Sanders decades long experience as an elected official......... If Sanders discloses personal health information, and has a clear bill of health, I see no reason why being a few years older than some of the other candidates should mater. Me neither, I don't see the big deal. I was responding to Big Guy who think Sanders is too old. I love everything you say above, Derek, but I don't agree about money buying their younger appearance of Clinton and Trump. I highly doubt Sanders is the type to fight the aging process even if he had lots of money. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
On Guard for Thee Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Me neither, I don't see the big deal. I was responding to Big Guy who think Sanders is too old. I love everything you say above, Derek, but I don't agree about money buying their younger appearance of Clinton and Trump. I highly doubt Sanders is the type to fight the aging process even if he had lots of money. Yeah I don't see Sanders going for a tummy tuck, or skinning a racoon to cover over his bald spot. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Me neither, I don't see the big deal. I was responding to Big Guy who think Sanders is too old. I love everything you say above, Derek, but I don't agree about money buying their younger appearance of Clinton and Trump. I highly doubt Sanders is the type to fight the aging process even if he had lots of money. I read, somewhere, that Sanders still jogs and swims.......by looks alone, IMHO, Sanders appears more healthy than Trump. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Age and/or health have been an issue for several Republican candidates (Reagan, Dole, McCain, etc.) in past elections. During the general election, campaign strategists can exploit this directly and indirectly to voting demographics. Accordingly, Rubio may be an advantage for the GOP if either Sanders or Clinton are on the Democrat ticket, for age and other reasons. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Age and/or health have been an issue for several Republican candidates (Reagan, Dole, McCain, etc.) in past elections. During the general election, campaign strategists can exploit this directly and indirectly to voting demographics. Accordingly, Rubio may be an advantage for the GOP if either Sanders or Clinton are on the Democrat ticket, for age and other reasons. Oh I know, but then Reagan was able to respond to his critics quite well......despite his age. Quote
kimmy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Much of her and Bill's speaking fees go to their charitable foundation. And there is no reason she should have to twiddle her thumbs just because she is wealthy. She is also raising the bar for speaking fees for women which is still way behind men's fees. Kudos to her on that. Hillary has raised the bar for women in lots of areas, and I certainly respect her for that... but I still don't believe she's anything except another spokesman for the status quo. As with Condoleeza Rice, I can respect her achievements while not necessarily supporting her politics. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 The most shocking statistic to come from Iowa: How badly Sanders beat Clinton among young voters. How bad? Almost as bad as Obama beat Romney among black voters. Among voters under 30, Sanders beat Clinton 84-14. He also won by 21 points among voters 30-44. Conversely, among voters 45-64, Clinton won by 23 points. Among voters 65 and older, Clinton won by 43 points. Hilary should spend some time thinking about why she's been so thoroughly trounced among young voters. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 They don't trust her. Period. There's nothing she can do now to gain their trust either and frankly she probably doesn't care if she has it or not. I mean, did we all forget about Whitewater suddenly? Quote
Bonam Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 The most shocking statistic to come from Iowa: How badly Sanders beat Clinton among young voters. How bad? Almost as bad as Obama beat Romney among black voters. Among voters under 30, Sanders beat Clinton 84-14. He also won by 21 points among voters 30-44. Conversely, among voters 45-64, Clinton won by 23 points. Among voters 65 and older, Clinton won by 43 points. Hilary should spend some time thinking about why she's been so thoroughly trounced among young voters. -k They don't trust her. Period. There's nothing she can do now to gain their trust either and frankly she probably doesn't care if she has it or not. I mean, did we all forget about Whitewater suddenly? I think it has less to do with Hillary and more to do with Bernie. He's gone viral. Every day on facebook I see 10+ posts from random friends of friends about Sanders. Never anything about Hillary... no attacks on her or anything, just no one cares. Quote
sharkman Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 As slimy as Clinton is, I don't think Cruz is any better. Sending out voter violation documents, spreading the rumor that Carson(who is fighting for the same voting block as Cruz) is dropping out of the race. What a slime ball. Quote
Argus Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Odd that a grandson of Cuban refugees would hold animosity towards the Castro regime.......none the less, Rubio's contention (along with most in the GOP) over Obama's Cuban policies is that he sidestepped the legal process of going through Congress and not receiving any human rights concessions from the Castro regime in exchange for lessening the sanctions. Their stance is utterly hypocritical and designed entirely for domestic political consumption. It is against the better interests of the United States, and a source of irritation towards the US throughout Latin America. It hasn't made any sense in decades. Those who embrace clearly failed policies are just as clearly not leaders of substance. Edited February 6, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 The most shocking statistic to come from Iowa: How badly Sanders beat Clinton among young voters. How bad? Almost as bad as Obama beat Romney among black voters. Among voters under 30, Sanders beat Clinton 84-14. He also won by 21 points among voters 30-44. Conversely, among voters 45-64, Clinton won by 23 points. Among voters 65 and older, Clinton won by 43 points. Hilary should spend some time thinking about why she's been so thoroughly trounced among young voters. -k Promising free college tuition probably helped. Sanders' positions, what I've seen of them, are filled with the same dreamy-eyed and totally unrealistic initiatives which young people have always liked. Even if by a miracle he got elected to office he has zero chance of doing much about most of what he talks about. He can't overturn Citizens United, and his belief in nationalizing major industries is ludicrous. A 90% top tax rate simply wouldn't work in this day and age either. And while I'm not an extreme free trader his protectionist stance is also likely to be disastrous. It all sounds good if you're young and stupid, though. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 I have no issues with Christie either, he reminds me of a Soprano character, but I think he has too much baggage, in addition, his perceived relationship with Obama would alienate him with Southern Republicans.....Attorney General perhaps? His perceived relationship? You mean his willingness to work with the enemy? The US government can't function without cooperation and compromise. Their constitution was designed to prevent a majority from running roughshod over everyone else. If there's no cooperation or compromise (both four letter words to Cruz and his ilk) then nothing gets done. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 If Sanders discloses personal health information, and has a clear bill of health, I see no reason why being a few years older than some of the other candidates should mater. We force Senators and judges to retire at 75 because after that their memories and faculties start to fade pretty strongly. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kimmy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Promising free college tuition probably helped. Sanders' positions, what I've seen of them, are filled with the same dreamy-eyed and totally unrealistic initiatives which young people have always liked. Even if by a miracle he got elected to office he has zero chance of doing much about most of what he talks about. He can't overturn Citizens United, and his belief in nationalizing major industries is ludicrous. A 90% top tax rate simply wouldn't work in this day and age either. And while I'm not an extreme free trader his protectionist stance is also likely to be disastrous. It all sounds good if you're young and stupid, though. Free college tuition probably helped a lot, but his support includes people well past college age too. I think his larger appeal is to people who are dissatisfied with vast and quickly broadening inequality, "too big to fail", "too big to jail", and in general people who saw what a gigantic flop "Hope and Change" was on bringing either "hope" or "change". -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Seems to be a bit of a controversy brewing. Iowa officials claim that Sanders probably won, but because of the absurdity of the Dems caucus rules, no one can really be sure. Quote
Shady Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Promising free college tuition probably helped. Sanders' positions, what I've seen of them, are filled with the same dreamy-eyed and totally unrealistic initiatives which young people have always liked. Even if by a miracle he got elected to office he has zero chance of doing much about most of what he talks about. He can't overturn Citizens United, and his belief in nationalizing major industries is ludicrous. A 90% top tax rate simply wouldn't work in this day and age either. And while I'm not an extreme free trader his protectionist stance is also likely to be disastrous. It all sounds good if you're young and stupid, though. He likes to offer pretty much free everything to everyone. But the media rarely questions him on how it all would be paid for. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Their stance is utterly hypocritical and designed entirely for domestic political consumption. It is against the better interests of the United States, and a source of irritation towards the US throughout Latin America. It hasn't made any sense in decades. Those who embrace clearly failed policies are just as clearly not leaders of substance. How is it hypocritical for the United States being opposed to a regime ~90 miles offshore from their country? Edited February 6, 2016 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 We force Senators and judges to retire at 75 because after that their memories and faculties start to fade pretty strongly. So? Some of the richest men in the United States (Soros, Koch, Buffett and Murdoch), men that will influence heavily on the election, well still being very much active in their own companies, are in their 80s. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 His perceived relationship? You mean his willingness to work with the enemy? The US government can't function without cooperation and compromise. Their constitution was designed to prevent a majority from running roughshod over everyone else. If there's no cooperation or compromise (both four letter words to Cruz and his ilk) then nothing gets done. Perception and reality are two different things........Christie doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in winning the nomination. Quote
BC_chick Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 We force Senators and judges to retire at 75 because after that their memories and faculties start to fade pretty strongly. That's a dumb rule given today's life expectancy. If anything after 75 judges and senators should be subject to cognitive testing and only be asked to retire if they fail. There are many 80 year olds who are still sharp as ever. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Free college tuition probably helped a lot, but his support includes people well past college age too. I think his larger appeal is to people who are dissatisfied with vast and quickly broadening inequality, "too big to fail", "too big to jail", and in general people who saw what a gigantic flop "Hope and Change" was on bringing either "hope" or "change". The point is he's not being the least bit realistic in what he's offering. He's just a more polite Donald Trump, offering ridiculous, pie in the sky solutions which wouldn't work even if he could get them through congress, which he hasn't got a prayer of doing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 How is it hypocritical for the United States being opposed to a regime ~90 miles offshore from their country? It's hypocritical to want to impose drastic economic sanctions on them when some of the US's closest trading partners and friends are worse human rights abusers than the Cubans. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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