Donald vs Hillary

[bush_cheney2004]

Disgraced ex-congressman Anthony Weiner keeps on giving to the Clintons.  

It would be funny as hell if his sexting escapades leads to Hillary Clinton's political undoing.

[dre]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

2 hours ago, TimG said:

Well, if you want to talk about her evading the FOI act - that is a different issue (an offense that many in government are guilty of). It has nothing to do with leaking material. The leaks were the accidental consequence of a poor IT solution. You could argue that she should have known better but, as with murder, should have known better (negligent homicide) is different from deliberate intent (first degree murder).

I don't know if it was a poor IT solution. Email is inherently unsecure no matter how you set it up, because the reader always gets a copy. In this case John Podesto's computer seems to have been hacked, and once that happened the data would have escaped no matter what kind of email server was being used.

I tell people at my company all the time... DON'T PUT SENSITIVE INFORMATION IN EMAILS. Not only are emails insecure but you could be forced to turn them over by the courts or the government or the police. This is information governance 101. Don't keep electronic data around for longer than you need it. Have a good tight deletion policy. And have sensitive conversations on the phone or in person.

And the funny thing is... Its the US government that is targeting her about this. And they are probably the most leaky institution in the world. They lose control of tens of millions of documents every year. Clinton's personal email server was probably just as secure as the government servers she was supposed to be using.

In any case its a good lesson for all. Don't say anything in an email that you would not want to be on the front page of a news article tomorrow.

As for the Snowden / Clinton comparison... Clinton is much worse. Snowden was a whistle blower that performed a great service to people. Hillary is just another sloppy, corrupt, stupid politician. It would be a mistake to choose a total abject retard like Trump instead of Clinton over this issue... but even if shes the lesser of two evils shes still gross and dirty. I would rather give Bush or Obama a third term than  have either of them, if I was a yank. And if I had to have a Clinton I would rather have Bill.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by dre

[Argus]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Break classification rules for the public's benefit, and you could be exiled.

Do it for personal benefit, and you could be President.

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) June 1, 2016

Snowden didn't break classification rules accidentally. He did it deliberately, with malice aforethought, and delivered classified intelligence to enemy intelligence agencies.

Is that what you actually think Clinton did? You think that, like Snowden, she was working for the Russians?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Jailed ?  Charged ?  Convicted?  Fined ?   Fired ?   And why focus only on civilians ?    Clinton not only mishandled classified e-mails, she was complicit in destroying forensic data after Congressional subpoena.   The cover up always gets them !

So you say, with ZERO evidence. Everyone knows military people are held to a far different standard than civilians. Hell, you can be jailed for adultery as a member of the military. If that was true in civilian life the entire senior ranks of the Trump party would be in prison.

No civilian has ever been charged for being careless with classified emails, especially when there is no evidence that it actually led to anything happening.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Any IT guy worth their weight knew that Hillary did something unethical, and downright illegal with regards to top secret information flowing through her 'personal' server. Since email is really a new thing, if she gets away with it, so can others.

Oh, now it's Top Secret. Where's you evidence? Email is not a new thing. People have been using it for many, many years. And no one has ever been charged with accidentally sending a classified email in an improper manner.

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Bradley Manning was charged/jailed for the information he leaked to Snowden. Without it, most people would still be saying that government spying on it's own citizens was tin foil hat stuff.  

Bradley Manning deliberately leaked information, and he was a member of the military. Not even remotely similar to a civilian mishandling emails where there isn't even any evidence any of the information got out to anyone.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, TimG said:

Bradley Manning deliberately leaked information knowing it was illegal.

Still waiting for an example of civilians being jailed for accidental release of material due to incompetence.

There isn't even any evidence the information was released. The allegation is merely that it was mishandled.

[?Impact]

I can't believe I am writing this. Donald Trump was absolutely right, there is voter fraud occurring, the election is rigged.

[Argus]

31 minutes ago, dre said:

As for the Snowden / Clinton comparison... Clinton is much worse. Snowden was a whistle blower that performed a great service to people

If by 'people' you mean terrorists, foreign intelligence agencies hostile to the US, and organized crime, then I suppose so.

That's why, if the US ever gets its hands on him, he should be shot for treason.

[dre]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

Snowden didn't break classification rules accidentally. He did it deliberately, with malice aforethought, and delivered classified intelligence to enemy intelligence agencies.

Is that what you actually think Clinton did? You think that, like Snowden, she was working for the Russians?

I disagree that he did it with malice. He did what he thought was right, whether you agree with him or not. With increasingly secretive governments and the replacement of democracy with corprocracy we need to get at real data anyway we can. Snow is whistle blower and a hero.

 

[Argus]

Just now, dre said:

I disagree that he did it with malice. He did what he thought was right, whether you agree with him or not. With increasingly secretive governments and the replacement of democracy with corprocracy we need to get at real data anyway we can. Snow is whistle blower and a hero.

What he did was to greatly damage the ability of western intelligence agencies to monitor terrorists and organized crime. The sniveling from among the paranoid set about the US intelligence agencies monitoring them is laughable given the same people readily turn over every single bit of data in their lives to google, apple and their various savings cards, all of which is catalogued and resold around the world. There is nothing about your life that these people don't know, including what kind of porn you like. The US government doesn't give a damn about your dirty little secrets unless one of them is wanting to blow people up or poison the public water supply.

And meanwhile the Russians, Iranians, Chinese and North Koreans are happily rummaging around in every major computer system in the west, pulling out data for their own use. And in the case of the Russians, Snowden is probably helping them in exchange for sanctuary. Don't think the little snot's bravery lasted one second after an FSB agent punched him in the gut.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

22 minutes ago, Argus said:

Is that what you actually think Clinton did? You think that, like Snowden, she was working for the Russians?

 

What Clinton did was no accident.   It was no accident to set up a private email server.  It was no accident to route classified and unclassified government email traffic to her private server.  And it was no accident to destroy forensic evidence.    Clinton served her own crooked interests, not the Russians.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were heaping mountains of praise on FBI Director Comey just a few months ago....now he is The Devil !

[Derek 2.0]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Disgraced ex-congressman Anthony Weiner keeps on giving to the Clintons.  

It would be funny as hell if his sexting escapades leads to Hillary Clinton's political undoing.

 

The final nail is suppose to be released by Wikileaks next week...........I'm surprised this "leak" didn't get more coverage. 

[Derek 2.0]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

What Clinton did was no accident.   It was no accident to set up a private email server.  It was no accident to route classified and unclassified government email traffic to her private server.  And it was no accident to destroy forensic evidence.  The Clintons served her their own crooked interests, not the Russians.

 

Nail. Head. Hammer.......

 

I can't see the head of the FBI writing such a letter, just before the election, if "nothing" was found.......from what I understand, he came forward to protect his own bacon out of threat of the additional emails being leaked by FBI investigators on the Wiener case............funny that the wife of the FBI lead investigator of the Clinton emails mess received money from a Clinton donor for a State Senate race...........

 

Time to drain the swamp..........and lock her up. 

 

[betsy]

6 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

The final nail is suppose to be released by Wikileaks next week...........I'm surprised this "leak" didn't get more coverage. 

I think mainstream media are ignoring a lot of leaks about Hillary.  They're trying to protect her.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

What Clinton did was no accident.   It was no accident to set up a private email server.  It was no accident to route classified and unclassified government email traffic to her private server.  And it was no accident to destroy forensic evidence.    Clinton served her own crooked interests, not the Russians.

There was no crime in setting up a private email server and she isn't the first senior government official to do so. And it WAS actually an accident to route a very few classified emails through it. A lot of these minimally classified documents could be interpreted as or as not classified by different people and agencies. I believe Bill Clinton identified a couple of those little 'c' emails as being memos from her staff telling her to return phone calls, for example.

Let me boil this all down for you people on the far right. If you deliberately set your house on fire, that's called arson, and is punishable by law. If, on the other hand, you misuse your stove and that causes a fire, that's called an accident. And it's not a crime. What the crazies of the far right are accusing Clinton of doing is misusing her stove - and not causing a fire, but in such a way that under certain circumstances, it might have caused a fire.

And for this the yokels of the Republican party are baying like the unwashed ignorant herd at the Salem witch trials "Burn her! Burn her! Burn her!"

 

[Argus]

8 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

I can't see the head of the FBI writing such a letter, just before the election, if "nothing" was found.......from what I understand, he came forward to protect his own bacon out of threat of the additional emails being leaked by FBI investigators on the Wiener case..

From what you heard? Is this the same source where Trump gets his information, where he 'hears' things like those crazy conspiracy sites?

The far right loves this stuff. It's all wild-eyed conspiracy and breathlessly retold stories about how immensely important they all are, all without a hint of a shadow of intelligent thought behind it all.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

I think mainstream media are ignoring a lot of leaks about Hillary.  They're trying to protect her.

I think mainstream media is overwhelmed by the storm of outrageous nonsense Trump is spewing out and doesn't have time for anything else. They cover every speech he gives live in delight, waiting for the next ridiculous comment and bald faced lie.

[Argus]

Even Glen Beck, that loon from the far right, says Trump's team is catering to the extreme right. 

When I was on Fox, I warned that you would see the neo-Nazis start to rise in Europe, and it would jump over to us, and it would infect the Right, and it has. You saw this. The neo-Nazis, the Klan, and the white supremacists signed a pact to stand together. They feel this is their opportunity. You’ve united them plus this populist movement and nationalism. It’s a toxic, toxic brew that’s part of this neo-Eurasian movement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-28/what-glenn-beck-really-believes-about-donald-trump

[Queenmandy85]

It is in the media's interest to see Trump win. If the media has any influence, it is in their interest to have a horse race where Trump comes from behind and wins. That is what sells advertising. It was in the media's business interest to make Trump's primary victories seem inevitable. 

If Trump wins, he will be a money machine for four years for the media.

[Derek 2.0]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

I think mainstream media are ignoring a lot of leaks about Hillary.  They're trying to protect her.

 

Other then FNC..........some of these leaks that aren't receiving coverage, on paper, would have been enough to sink her if she was up against Bush or Rubio

[Derek 2.0]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

From what you heard? Is this the same source where Trump gets his information,

Ahhh no, the previous deputy director of the FBI, being interviewed on FNC (IIRC on either O'Reilly or Megyn Kelly) last night.....

[Derek 2.0]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Even Glen Beck, that loon from the far right, says Trump's team is catering to the extreme right. 

 

Glen Beck backed the wrong horse (Cruz) to such a degree that he's sunk his own "media empire"........his attacks on FNC and other Conservative media is an attempt to regain market share.

[Topaz]

I don't know if I'm right or wrong but my understanding is the wiener and his wife had used the same computer or whatever and the FBI came across his wife's e-mail to or from Clinton that Clinton wouldn't want anyone to see.

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Topaz said:

I don't know if I'm right or wrong but my understanding is the wiener and his wife had used the same computer or whatever and the FBI came across his wife's e-mail to or from Clinton that Clinton wouldn't want anyone to see.

Let's cut to the chase. The tapes of concern are conversations from  Wiener's wife to Hilary that would indicate the two are in a sexual relationship.

Hilary working late and eating in with her assistant, (Wiener's estranged wife),  is the worst kept secret on Capital Hill next to Bill Clinton's herpes..

But hey at this point lesbian trysts, crazed kosher wieners, toilet mouthed urine hair stained fish lip carrot skin stained politicians, a woman candidate who always wears pants all add to fun..

I think the leaks are too late. I think Clinton no matter how bad the leaks look, is seen as the lesser of two evils at this point.

Nothing in the last few days has provided any hard evidence just inneuendos which would suggest the FBI are covering their ass so if Trump is elected they are safe and can say they are still investigating, but if Hilary is elected they can drop it again.

Y'all ask me Hilary's girlfriend is highly intelligent, and could do better, i.e., Taylor Swift, Kate Perry, Selina Gomez,  Michelle Rodriquez,  Justin  Bieber (yah I know you think he's a guy get real).

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by Rue