Donald vs Hillary

Wilber · October 26, 2016

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Even when Trump doesn't provide us with laughs and giggles you can count on one of his loony supporters to do so. Today it's Newt Gingrich accusing FOX's Megyn Kelly of being obsessed with sex. See, it was fine to focus the entire Republican campaign on Bill Clinton's adultery and alleged harassment, but now the evil media are actually covering TRUMPs adultery and sexual harassment! How unfair is that! Kelly asked him about the allegations but all Gingrich wanted to talk about was Bill Clinton's sex life, and when she wouldn't buy it he got upset.

Worth noting that Gingrich, like all of Trump and almost all his male supporters, is an adulterer who used his position and power to obtain sex from younger women, and then dumped his wife.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/you-are-fascinated-with-sex-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-one-for-the-ages

The curse of partisanship above everything is something Beck also brought up in that interview with Rose. He pointed out that the same people who were condemning Clinton over his dalliances are the same ones now excusing Trump for his and vice versa. Consistent inconsistency.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Wilber

The_Squid · October 26, 2016

10 minutes ago, Wilber said:

The curse of partisanship above everything is something Beck also brought up in that interview with Rose. He pointed out that the same people who were condemning Clinton over his dalliances are the same ones now excusing Trump for his and vice versa. Consistent inconsistency.

No, it's not "vice versa".

Where are Democrats pointing out that Trump shouldn't be elected because he had an affair(s)? They are pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side. That is very different. And Clinton having consensual sex is very different than Trump "grabbing women's pussies" without their consent.

Of course there will be hypocrites on both sides, but to say they're equally bad isn't correct. That's a false equivalency.

Edited October 26, 2016 by The_Squid

Wilber · October 26, 2016

Just now, The_Squid said:

No, it's not "vice versa".

Where are Democrats pointing out that Trump shouldn't be elected because he had an affair(s)? They are pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side. That is very different. And Clinton having consensual sex is very different than Trump "grabbing women's pussies" without their consent.

Of course there will be hypocrites on both sides, but to say they're equal because it happens isn't correct. It's a false equivalency.

I don't maintain they are equal but they definitely exist. Some would have voted for Clinton again regardless. I do agree that Trump has taken sleeze to a new level and his actions would have been criminal, but that doesn't justify Clinton's actions.

The_Squid · October 26, 2016

Good lord, Trump is such a weirdo....

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-joked-he-and-ivanka-had-sex-in-common-w446872

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During a Q&A game called Fave Five, host Wendy Williams asked Ivanka, now 34, about her favorite thing she and her father had in common. "Either real estate or golf," she innocently replied.

Williams, 52, then asked Donald, 70, the same question, prompting an unexpected response. "Well, I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that to her," he said, pointing to his eldest daughter, who was visibly mortified by the response.

From all his bizarre comments about his own daughter, he comes across as a pervert.

taxme · October 26, 2016

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Fake zionist media? Does that mean they're only pretending to be zionists?

Is Trump pretending to be a Zionist when he proclaims his love of Israel and lets his pure Aryan daughter marry a Jew?

The media is a fake media which is pretty much all owned by the zionists. Clear on that? I must admit though that I am quite stumped by all of what you said, and those connections with zionists. I guess that in order for anyone to win an election they must have the backing of the zionisst and their fake controlled media. That is how politics works. Sad but true. I just can only hope that Trump gets to do all the things he wants to do without their interference. The American surely needs those changes he has said he would do. We wait and see.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

Uh-oh....FBI Director Comey is going after those pesky e-mails again. Sorry Hillary !

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

?Impact · October 28, 2016

34 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Uh-oh....FBI Director Comey is going after those pesky e-mails again.

I wonder if there are the General Petraeus emails, that is the one I though might really blow up.

betsy · October 28, 2016

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Uh-oh....FBI Director Comey is going after those pesky e-mails again. Sorry Hillary !

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

These two combatants are really something. Never a dull moment!

betsy · October 28, 2016

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

I wonder if there are the General Petraeus emails, that is the one I though might really blow up.

It's Huma Abedin's husband's found to have classified emails!

These classified emails are surely doing the round! :lol:

Edited October 28, 2016 by betsy

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

If President elect Hillary Clinton is indicted, she can just pardon herself !

?Impact · October 28, 2016

36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If President elect Hillary Clinton is indicted, she can just pardon herself !

She will have to wait for late January to be able to do that.

Argus · October 28, 2016

53 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If President elect Hillary Clinton is indicted, she can just pardon herself !

Still waiting to hear about any civilian in history who has ever been charged, much less convicted, of being careless with emails.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

9 minutes ago, Argus said:

Still waiting to hear about any civilian in history who has ever been charged, much less convicted, of being careless with emails.

Break classification rules for the public's benefit, and you could be exiled.

Do it for personal benefit, and you could be President.

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) June 1, 2016

TimG · October 28, 2016

23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Break classification rules for the public's benefit, and you could be exiled.
Do it for personal benefit, and you could be President.

That does not really address Argus's point. Snowden deliberately leaked information with the full knowledge that these leaks were illegal. Clinton may have accidentally leaked information through her own incompetence. There is a difference in intent and intent matters in law (e.g. first degree murder vs. manslaughter).

His question whether any civilian has ever been jailed for accidental release similar to what Clinton did.

Wilber · October 28, 2016

Hmm, a rather uncharismatic policy wonk who did something unwise and possibly illegal with her email servers. Orrr, or a pathologically lying, misogynist with sociopathic tendencies. Let Me See.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

1 hour ago, TimG said:

His question whether any civilian has ever been jailed for accidental release similar to what Clinton did.

Jailed ? Charged ? Convicted? Fined ? Fired ? And why focus only on civilians ? Clinton not only mishandled classified e-mails, she was complicit in destroying forensic data after Congressional subpoena. The cover up always gets them !

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

Hmm, a rather uncharismatic policy wonk who did something unwise and possibly illegal with her email servers. Orrr, or a pathologically lying, misogynist with sociopathic tendencies. Let Me See.

Which candidate may be under indictment soon...let me see ? Bad day for Team Hillary, and "supporters" in Canada.

GostHacked · October 28, 2016

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Still waiting to hear about any civilian in history who has ever been charged, much less convicted, of being careless with emails.

Any IT guy worth their weight knew that Hillary did something unethical, and downright illegal with regards to top secret information flowing through her 'personal' server. Since email is really a new thing, if she gets away with it, so can others.

1 hour ago, TimG said:

That does not really address Argus's point. Snowden deliberately leaked information with the full knowledge that these leaks were illegal. Clinton may have accidentally leaked information through her own incompetence. There is a difference in intent and intent matters in law (e.g. first degree murder vs. manslaughter).

His question whether any civilian has ever been jailed for accidental release similar to what Clinton did.

Bradley Manning was charged/jailed for the information he leaked to Snowden. Without it, most people would still be saying that government spying on it's own citizens was tin foil hat stuff.

TimG · October 28, 2016

3 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Bradley Manning was charged/jailed for the information he leaked to Snowden. Without it, most people would still be saying that government spying on it's own citizens was tin foil hat stuff.

Bradley Manning deliberately leaked information knowing it was illegal.

Still waiting for an example of civilians being jailed for accidental release of material due to incompetence.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

2 minutes ago, TimG said:

Still waiting for an example of civilians being jailed for accidental release of material due to incompetence.

Clinton's incompetence was not accidental. Her pattern was purposeful and deceitful for political gain.

Wilber · October 28, 2016

16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Which candidate may be under indictment soon...let me see ? Bad day for Team Hillary, and "supporters" in Canada.

Neither is going to have the top job in my country. It's a great time to be a Canadian.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

Neither is going to have the top job in my country. It's a great time to be a Canadian.

Please don't bail on Hillary now....she needs all the "support" she can get....even from Canada.

TimG · October 28, 2016

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Clinton's incompetence was not accidental. Her pattern was purposeful and deceitful for political gain.

Well, if you want to talk about her evading the FOI act - that is a different issue (an offense that many in government are guilty of). It has nothing to do with leaking material. The leaks were the accidental consequence of a poor IT solution. You could argue that she should have known better but, as with murder, should have known better (negligent homicide) is different from deliberate intent (first degree murder).

Edited October 28, 2016 by TimG

?Impact · October 28, 2016

21 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Any IT guy worth their weight knew that Hillary did something unethical, and downright illegal with regards to top secret information flowing through her 'personal' server. Since email is really a new thing, if she gets away with it, so can others.

No so new that she learned those tricks from her Republican predecessor.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2016

Just now, TimG said:

Well, if you want to talk about her evading the FOI act - that is a different issue (an offense that many in government are guilty of). It has nothing to do with leaking material. The leaks were the accidental consequence of a poor IT solution. You could argue that she should have known better because, as with murder, should have known better (negligent homicide) is different from deliberate intent (first degree murder).

Clinton appeared in State Dept. training videos for "cyber security". She most certainly knew what was required and failed to secure State email traffic. Then she destroyed the forensic data trail.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/clinton-lectured-state-dept-staff-on-cybersecurity-in-2010-video.html

Clinton is now polling worse than Trump with independent voters because her trust issues and lies are seen as worse and more relevant to POTUS than Trump's misogyny.