Donald vs Hillary

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

Actually Trump brought that on himself.

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

11 hours ago, dialamah said:

Just because you are ok with being groped doesn't mean everyone is or even should be.

A civil case is pending against Trump for raping a 13-year-old. That's barely made MSM either, most likely because the facts are so slim as to be essentially non-existent.

It's all about context and perspective, if it wasn't nearly everybody (if not all of us) could be accused of sexual assault. I'm not saying it's not seedy, it is, but probably only because he was married.

betsy · October 15, 2016

The mainstream media attacks on Trump seem not effective anymore. The parade of women accusing Trump of alleged sexual attacks had only trivialized sex assaults - and it's a mock on real victims of sex crimes.

In fact, the relentless media smear campaign might produce a backlash, if we base it on the reaction of Trump supporters in his rally in Cincinnati. Partisan or not.....the public can't be that dumb to not see what the media is trying to do.

The latest Rasmussen poll that has Trump edging ahead of Hillary, still holds.

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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Trump with 43% support to Clinton’s 41%. That’s unchanged from yesterday.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct14

The video below shows how frightening it must've been for the media.

Partisan Crowds at Trump Rallies Menace and Frighten News Media

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/us/politics/trump-media-attacks.html

Of course, the media will portray Trump as inciting his crowd.

Edited October 15, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

4 hours ago, betsy said:

The parade of women accusing Trump of alleged sexual attacks had only trivialized sex assaults - and it's a mock on real victims of sex crimes.

You're calling these women's liars and trivializing their ordeals when Trump himself admitted to doing these things. That's reprehensible. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why do you believe Bill Clinton's accusers, who had court cases and lost or settled out of court, but not these ones? And don't come back with the ridiculous argument that settling out of court is an admission of guilt because then you're calling Trump a racist, since he settled out of court on racism charges over housing. Have some principles for crying out loud. You are defending a self-described rapist. Shame on you.

Argus · October 15, 2016

14 hours ago, capricorn said:

I know what you're saying. But to clarify, it's not Trump's campaign that is making accusations of sexual advances on children and bragging about forcing himself on women. In fact, it is the campaign of Hillary supporters, Hillary's war room and assorted anti-Trump forces.

That is nonsense. Trump has run his entire campaign on the theme of how Bill's marital infidelity is Hillary's fault. No doubt he actually sees it that way. I'm sure he blames his own adultery on his wives failure to please him in some way or other, just as do the adulterous men who are his most notorious supporters, like Giuliani, Gingrich, Ailes, Bannon and Christie. So he figured repeatedly bringing up Bill Clinton's adultery would show how guilty his wife was of failing to be a proper wife. It shows how absurdly stupid he and his 'brain trust' are that they never figured that might turn around and bite him on the ass.

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

Andrew Coyne is savage.

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The actual Republican nominee is a man who has shown himself unfit, not just for high office, but for any office; not just in his abilities as a leader, but in his qualities as a man; not just occasionally, but on every day of the campaign. He is not just deficient in this or that respect — knowledge, experience, judgment, tact, decency, integrity, leadership, policy — but utterly lacking in all. Donald Trump is not just the worst candidate for president ever nominated by a major party, he is very nearly the worst candidate it is possible to imagine, and was even before it was revealed he was a serial sexual predator.

Read: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-how-does-donald-trump-still-have-supporters

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

Clinton's crooked email server stink has now tainted President Obama, as he can no longer plausibly deny knowledge of what Clinton and her staff were doing before and after the emails were subpoenaed by Congress. Accordingly, the decisions by DoJ and FBI clearly came from the top. Nice !

Like Trump, Hillary Clinton is unfit for office.

-TSS- · October 15, 2016

The idea of either of these candidates winning just shows how flawed the US-system really is. The system is too much centered around the personality of one person. That can't be right.

European style of parliamentary democracy is so much better. Even though the Prime Minister gives face to power he/she is only the leader of the largest party and if need be there can be another leader.

Rue · October 15, 2016

22 hours ago, ?Impact said:

I would have to insert allegedly in there, otherwise I concur with most of your post including the part:

I did not use the word allege because her attacks on the women are public domain.

For example she referred to Monica Lewinsky as follows:

"In a letter to a friend made public in 2014, Clinton referred to Lewinsky as a “narcissistic loony toon.” "

source:http://usapoliticsnow.com/media-omits-hillarys-role-bills-sex-scandal/

You may wish to consider this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3234774/Hillary-Clinton-says-female-sexual-assault-accusers-right-believed-skips-accused-child-rapist-defended-1970s-Bill-s-bimbo-eruptions.html

or this one:

http://townhall.com/columnists/katiepavlich/2014/06/19/hillary-clintons-legacy-defending-rapists-and-sexual-predators-n1853105

Here are some more details about her first case as a defence lawyer when she was 27 defending a man who raped a 12 year old girl and got away with a lesser sentence. These are excerpts from an article writtren by Josh Rogin i a former senior correspondent for national security and politics the The Daily Beast.

source:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html

"Hillary Clinton is known as a champion of women and girls, but one woman who says she was raped as a 12-year-old in Arkansas doesn’t think Hillary deserves that honor. This woman says Hillary smeared her and used dishonest tactics to successfully get her attacker off with a light sentence—even though, she claims, Clinton knew he was guilty.

The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run. Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.

In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said. The Daily Beast agreed to withhold her name out of concern for her privacy as a victim of sexual assault.

The victim said if she saw Clinton today, she would call her out for what she sees as the hypocrisy of Clinton’s current campaign to fight for women’s rights compared to her actions regarding this rape case so long ago.

“I would say [to Clinton], ‘You took a case of mine in ’75, you lied on me… I realize the truth now, the heart of what you’ve done to me. And you are supposed to be for women? You call that [being] for women, what you done to me? And I hear you on tape laughing.”

The victim’s allegation that Clinton smeared her following her rape is based on a May 1975 court affidavit written by Clinton on behalf of Thomas Alfred Taylor, one of the two alleged attackers, whom Clinton agreed to defend after being asked by the prosecutor. Taylor had specifically requested a female attorney.

“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit. “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”

Clinton also wrote that a child psychologist told her that children in early adolescence “tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences,” especially when they come from “disorganized families, such as the complainant.”

The victim vigorously denied Clinton’s accusations and said there has never been any explanation of what Clinton was referring to in that affidavit. She claims she never accused anyone of attacking her before her rape.

“I’ve never said that about anyone. I don’t know why she said that. I have never made false allegations. I know she was lying,” she said. “I definitely didn’t see older men. I don’t know why Hillary put that in there and it makes me plumb mad.”

The victim’s second main grievance with Clinton stems from the newly revealed audio recordings, which were taped in a series of interviews of Clinton with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed, who was researching an article on the Clintons that was ultimately never published. The Free Beacon found the tapes archived at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville, amidst thousands of pieces of Clinton history that are being periodically released for public consumption.

On the tapes, Clinton, who speaks in a Southern drawl, appears to acknowledge that she was aware of her client’s guilt, brags about successfully getting the only piece of physical evidence thrown out of court, and laughs about it all whimsically.

“He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” Clinton says on the recording, failing to hold back some chuckles.

She then describes how she discovered that investigators had cut out and lost a section of the suspect’s underwear that they said contained the victim’s blood. Clinton brought the remaining underwear segment to a Nobel Prize-winning blood expert in Brooklyn, NY, she explained, in order to convince him to lend his heavyweight reputation and influence to her defense case.

“And so the, sort of the story through the grapevine was, if you get him interested in the case, then you know you had the foremost expert in the world willing to testify so that it came out the way you wanted it to come out,” Clinton said.

Clinton told the judge that the famous expert was willing to testify. Instead of the original charge of first-degree rape, the prosecutors let Taylor plead to a lesser charge: unlawful fondling of a child. According to the Free Beacon, Taylor was sentenced to one year behind bars, with two months reduced for time served. The second attacker was never charged.

“Oh, he plea bargained. Got him off with time served in the county jail, he’d been in the county jail about two months,” Clinton said on the recording, apparently not remembering the sentence accurately.

For the victim, the tapes prove that while Clinton was arguing in the affidavit that the victim could have some culpability in her own attack, she actually believed that her client was guilty. Taylor’s light sentence was a miscarriage of justice, the victim said.

“It’s proven fact, with all the tapes [now revealed], she lied like a dog on me. I think she was trying to do whatever she could do to make herself look good at the time…. She wanted it to look good, she didn’t care if those guys did it or not,” she said. “Them two guys should have got a lot longer time. I do not think justice was served at all.”

The office of Hillary Clinton did not respond to a request for comment. In a 2008 article in Newsday written by Glenn Thrush, now at Politico, Clinton spokesperson Howard Wolfson defended her conduct in the case.

“As she wrote in her book, ‘Living History,’ Senator Clinton was appointed by the Circuit Court of Washington County, Arkansas to represent Mr. Taylor in this matter,” he said. “As an attorney and an officer of the court, she had an ethical and legal obligation to defend him to the fullest extent of the law. To act otherwise would have constituted a breach of her professional responsibilities.”

In that book, Clinton gave vague details about her actions in the case and said that shortly thereafter, she helped set up Arkansas’s first rape hotline.

According to Thrush’s article, the victim didn’t fault Clinton for her defense of the attacker during their 2008 interview, which took place in the prison where the victim was serving time for drug-related offenses, in the presence of the warden. “I’m sure Hillary was just doing her job,” he quoted the victim as saying. After all, everyone has a right to be defended in court. And 1975 was a lifetime ago.

But the victim now claims she was misquoted. She didn’t even know Clinton was the lawyer who defended her attacker until Thrush showed her Clinton’s book and she had no other information about what had happened behind closed doors in that courtroom when Thrush approached her, she said. Thrush declined to comment.

“If I had known that day what I know now I would have told him exactly what I’m telling y’all today,” she said.

After she was released from prison in 2008, the victim read more about Clinton’s involvement in her case, but she never planned to confront Clinton about it.

“I started seeing where I had really been stomped in the ground. I didn’t really know what to do about it. I just figured life would have to go on and I would have to live with it,” she said.

But after hearing the newly revealed tapes of Clinton boasting about the case, the victim said she couldn’t hold her tongue any longer and wanted to tell her side of the story to the public.

“When I heard that tape I was pretty upset, I went back to the room and was talking to my two cousins and I cried a little bit. I ain’t gonna lie, some of this has got me pretty down,” she said. “But I thought to myself, ‘I’m going to stand up to her. I’m going to stand up for what I’ve got to stand up for, you know?”

In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recounted the details of her attack in 1975 at age 12 and the consequences it had for both her childhood and adult life. A virgin before the assault, she spent five days afterwards in a coma, months recovering from the beating that accompanied the rape, and over 10 years in therapy. The doctors told her she would probably never be able to have children.

The victim was put through several forensic procedures, including a lie detector test. At first, she failed the lie detector test; she said that was because she didn’t understand one of the specific sex-related questions. Once that question was explained to her, she passed, she said. The victim positively identified her two attackers through one-way glass and they were arrested. But that wasn’t the end of her ordeal.

She described being afraid of men for years and dealing with anger issues well into her adulthood. At one point, she turned to drugs, a path that ultimately led her to prison. Now 52, she has never married or had children. She said she has been sober for several years and has achieved a level of stability, although she remains unemployed and living on disability assistance.

“I’m living life in Arkansas, I go to Church sometimes, and I’m doing good… Being on disability I don’t get much income but I’m happy where I’m at. I’m doing really well,” she said. “[Clinton] owes me a big apology, [but] I’ll probably never get anything from her.”

The victim doesn’t remember ever meeting Clinton in 1975; she says her memories from that ordeal are spotty. But she does recall feeling exasperated by the law enforcement and legal proceedings to the point where she told her mother she just wanted it to be over so she could try to resume her childhood.

“I had been through so much stuff I finally told them to do whatever,” she remembered. “They had scared me so bad that I was tired of being put through it all. I finally said I was done… I thought they had both gotten long-term sentences, I didn’t realize they got off with hardly nothing.”

Whether or not Clinton was just doing her duty as a defense lawyer, for the victim, Clinton’s behavior speaks to her character, her ambition, and her suitability to be a role model for women or president of the United States.

“I think she wants to be a role model being who she is, to look good, but I don’t think she’s a role model at all… If she had have been, she would have helped me at the time, being a 12-year-old girl who was raped by two guys,” she said. “She did that to look good and she told lies on that. How many other lies has she told to get where she’s at today? If she becomes president, is she gonna be telling the world the truth? No. She’s going to be telling lies out there, what the world wants to hear.”

The victim is concerned that speaking out will make her a target for attacks, but she no longer feels she is able to stay silent.

“I’m a little scared of her… When this all comes about, I’m a little worried she might try to hurt me, I hope not,” she said. “They can lie all they want, say all they want, I know what’s true.”

“She lied like a dog on me. I think she was trying to do whatever she could do to make herself look good at the time.”

“If she becomes president, is she gonna be telling the world the truth? No.”

What I am saying is Donald Trump deserves to be skewered for what he said in the past but Hilary Clinton posing as a defender of sexually assaulted women is bull and the media refuses to disclose her dirt as it does Trump's.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I defend neither but I am saying she has done things as bad as Trump and no woman should mistake her as a champion of woman's rights.

As for her being supposedly gay and having an open marriage with Clinton as far as I am concerned, She Bill and Donald are all lying sob's. What they do in their beds I could care less about unless their duplicity is being used to blackmail them and compromise state security or commit crimes.

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

How on earth are you concerned about Clinton's attacks on people who accused her husband decades ago, people whom witnesses including their own family have come forward and said they were "happy" or "excited" about their relationship with Bill Clinton, but you don't criticize Trump and his supporters attacking victims who come forward? It's all very hypocritical.

Edited October 15, 2016 by cybercoma

-TSS- · October 15, 2016

Tim Kaine must be rubbing his hands as he knows he will become president very soon. Perhaps in 1-2 years time at the latest.

Who on earth is he anyway? A total nobody hardly anyone outside the US has ever heard of and now he is going to sneak into presidency through the back door.

Edited October 15, 2016 by -TSS-

Wilber · October 15, 2016

2 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Tim Kaine must be rubbing his hands as he knows he will become president very soon. Perhaps in 1-2 years time at the latest.

Who on earth is he anyway? A total nobody hardly anyone outside the US has ever heard of and now he is going to sneak into presidency through the back door.

Neither was Gerald Ford but he didn't do so bad.

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

I wonder how Pence feels about losing his own state. I don't know if it's true, but people are talking. Smart people. The best people. They say that the only reason Pence teamed up with Trump is because he knew he would lose his election anyway so he decided to roll the dice with The Donald. I don't know if it's true but that's what people are saying.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

31 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

The idea of either of these candidates winning just shows how flawed the US-system really is. The system is too much centered around the personality of one person. That can't be right.

'Cause the Cult of Personality could never happen in Canada, right ? Trump will get a larger percentage of votes than did Justin Trudeau/party.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

17 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Who on earth is he anyway? A total nobody hardly anyone outside the US has ever heard of and now he is going to sneak into presidency through the back door.

I don't think international recognition is a prerequisite to be POTUS. Americans don't know or care who is running Finland.

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

6 hours ago, Argus said:

That is nonsense. Trump has run his entire campaign on the theme of how Bill's marital infidelity is Hillary's fault. No doubt he actually sees it that way. I'm sure he blames his own adultery on his wives failure to please him in some way or other, just as do the adulterous men who are his most notorious supporters, like Giuliani, Gingrich, Ailes, Bannon and Christie. So he figured repeatedly bringing up Bill Clinton's adultery would show how guilty his wife was of failing to be a proper wife. It shows how absurdly stupid he and his 'brain trust' are that they never figured that might turn around and bite him on the ass.

I don't think anybody sees it that way, except maybe democrats who try their best to shirt the actual issue.

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

Heard a good joke on CBC radio today

A female trump supporter said she is supporting him because her dad and brother talk just like him. It's just locker room talk

A response from another woman:. You must give back your uterus. You can no longer be one of us.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

2 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

A response from another woman:. You must give back your uterus. You can no longer be one of us.

I don't think Lisa Lampanelli is going to give hers back. She could even make Trump blush.

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

6 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Heard a good joke on CBC radio today

A female trump supporter said she is supporting him because her dad and brother talk just like him. It's just locker room talk

A response from another woman:. You must give back your uterus. You can no longer be one of us.

And that's all it comes down to for you people, women must vote for the woman or you can no longer be one of us! Right?

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

And that's all it comes down to for you people, women must vote for the woman or you can no longer be one of us! Right?

Hal, it's a joke!

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Hal, it's a joke!

Sure, but you know it's true. You know it's all about making history, about sisterhood. Women were and are always gonna vote for Hillary, Trump just takes the pressure off their dilemma.

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Sure, but you know it's true. You know it's all about making history, about sisterhood. Women were and are always gonna vote for Hillary, Trump just takes the pressure off their dilemma.

Well if it takes sisterhood to keep a pig out I'm all for my American sisters.

Wilber · October 15, 2016

Hal thinks women should love The Donald but won't vote for him because they must vote for a woman. Sounds like something The Donald would say because women are too stupid to recognize a misogynist and bigot when they see one.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Hal thinks women should love The Donald but won't vote for him because they must vote for a woman. Sounds like something The Donald would say because women are too stupid to recognize a misogynist and bigot when they see one.

Women are enabled and capable of choosing to vote for a "misogynist" or "bigot" if they want.

Millions of women will vote for Trump.

Edited October 15, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Women are enabled and capable of choosing to vote for a "misogynist" or "bigot" if they want.

Millions of women will vote for Trump.

And they must give back their uterus